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Topic: 15 dollar arbitrage between bitstamp and gox right now??? - page 3. (Read 6862 times)

legendary
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If each country have 6-10 large bitcoin dealers advertising their buy/sell order on localbitcoins.com, each of them have an order depth of 1000 coins, then people could move away from traditional exchanges and be independant of international bank transfers

It's very easy to setup a buy order ladder since everyone have fiat money, but it is more difficult to build up a sell order ladder since that will require huge amount of coins

Unless supply = demand in each and every country, international transfers will still need to happen.

The localbitcoins.com could use an automated market making system to adjust the bid and ask price for the largest 6-10 dealers' order

For example, if the demand for bitcoin is too high (Too much coins were bought from those dealers in a short time frame), they will automatically raise the bid/ask price for those large dealers, thus reduce the demand for coins. If the sell pressure is too high, they will lower the bid and ask price for those large dealers, thus increase the buying support. How much to raise or lower is the question here, it should provide low slippage but still enough flexibility


Sure, but if prices get out of whack people will start importing bitcoins from other countries and exporting their fiat to keep prices in sync.  Doing this in a decentralized nature will still likely be way easier than a handful of major institutions attempting to move millions of dollars in 4-5 figure increments.
hero member
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There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.
% arbitrage between gox and bitstamp is proportional to percieved % odds of mtgox defaulting
What is the constant in that proportionality?
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
I arbitrage between btc-e and mt gox all the time. The way you could do it is buy coins from either bitstamp or btc-e and sell them to me. I will pay a few percent under gox. Or any trusted member for tons of methods.
legendary
Activity: 1988
Merit: 1012
Beyond Imagination
If each country have 6-10 large bitcoin dealers advertising their buy/sell order on localbitcoins.com, each of them have an order depth of 1000 coins, then people could move away from traditional exchanges and be independant of international bank transfers

It's very easy to setup a buy order ladder since everyone have fiat money, but it is more difficult to build up a sell order ladder since that will require huge amount of coins

Unless supply = demand in each and every country, international transfers will still need to happen.

The localbitcoins.com could use an automated market making system to adjust the bid and ask price for the largest 6-10 dealers' order

For example, if the demand for bitcoin is too high (Too much coins were bought from those dealers in a short time frame), they will automatically raise the bid/ask price for those large dealers, thus reduce the demand for coins. If the sell pressure is too high, they will lower the bid and ask price for those large dealers, thus increase the buying support. How much to raise or lower is the question here, it should provide low slippage but still enough flexibility



legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
If each country have 6-10 large bitcoin dealers advertising their buy/sell order on localbitcoins.com, each of them have an order depth of 1000 coins, then people could move away from traditional exchanges and be independant of international bank transfers

It's very easy to setup a buy order ladder since everyone have fiat money, but it is more difficult to build up a sell order ladder since that will require huge amount of coins

Unless supply = demand in each and every country, international transfers will still need to happen.
legendary
Activity: 1988
Merit: 1012
Beyond Imagination
If each country has 6-10 large bitcoin dealers advertising their buy/sell order on localbitcoins.com, each of them have an order depth of 1000 coins, then people could move away from traditional exchanges and be independant of international bank transfers

It's very easy to setup a buy order ladder since everyone have fiat money, but it is more difficult to build up a sell order ladder since that will require huge amount of coins
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1006
100 satoshis -> ISO code
A mistrustful part of me suspects that MtGox is making huge profits arbitraging the price difference themselves, which gives them a perverse motivation to keep withdrawals slow.

Unfortunately I have a feeling you might be spot on with that theory...

If anyone was making huge profits on the arb then the gap would close to a few dollars. It isn't, which means that MtGox is under huge stress trying to do any transfers. The last thing MtGox wants is a crippled business. The long-term profits from commission far outweigh any temporary games trading the arb on their own account.

They are hemorrhaging market share by the day. They are in a fight for survival while the fiat banking system has a hobnailed boot on their windpipe.
 
hero member
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A mistrustful part of me suspects that MtGox is making huge profits arbitraging the price difference themselves, which gives them a perverse motivation to keep withdrawals slow.

Unfortunately I have a feeling you might be spot on with that theory...
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
I would only expect this amount to widen as long as Gox has a lag on their FIAT withdrawal methods.

Has anyone even gotten a wire from them and can confirm say a 4 digit wire that has completed?

There is no benefit in removing the fear, uncertainty and doubt in the current situation.

Right now, one man's fear is another man's profit.

+1

If you could get 4 figures out of Gox, would you blab about it our arbitrage the shit out of it?
full member
Activity: 232
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I would only expect this amount to widen as long as Gox has a lag on their FIAT withdrawal methods.

Has anyone even gotten a wire from them and can confirm say a 4 digit wire that has completed?

There is no benefit in removing the fear, uncertainty and doubt in the current situation.

Right now, one man's fear is another man's profit.
legendary
Activity: 1988
Merit: 1012
Beyond Imagination
The recent rally is happening on all exchanges with volume, means there are significant amount of arbitraging between them. It is difficult to imagine that the buyer bought coin from all the exchanges at the same time

But this is good for bitcoin, it means no one can manipulate a single exchange with large amount of capital, because he will face all the arbitraging orders from other exchanges
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
I would only expect this amount to widen as long as Gox has a lag on their FIAT withdrawal methods.

Has anyone even gotten a wire from them and can confirm say a 4 digit wire that has completed?
full member
Activity: 238
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RMBTB.com: The secure BTC:CNY exchange. 0% fee!
I updated the ticker on my website as it has been pointless in showing a MtGox comparison for some time.

I replaced it with real-time animated sliders showing rmbtb.com, btcchina.com, Mtgox, Bitstamp, and BTC-e.

Unfortunately it still isn't quite as informative as I hoped!



LOL.
legendary
Activity: 1834
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Or a simpler answer. MtGox's Fiat is worth less as they cant be withdrawn [without delay]. Thus the coins seems to "worth" more on Gox
sr. member
Activity: 249
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This is MTGOX's financial innovation: The withdraw time is so long that people are all forced to do long term investment in bitcoin, and the price will rise long term wise, this protect the exchange rate  Grin

If it takes several months to withdraw your dollars from NASDAQ, you would just buy some stock and hold them for years before you withdraw

 Grin
hero member
Activity: 675
Merit: 507
Freedom to choose
yeah ive been noticing the price difference for almost a week now. Gox is always higher it seems.
member
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mtgox/coinbase spread is also growing over the last couple weeks, now ~$12 difference.

this indicates significant problems beyond some simple delays in withdraw/deposit times at mtgox.  i do not know exactly what problems, but we will find out eventually.

i have not used mtgox recently therefore unaware of all the details that are public.  but a quick glance at their website led me to the following statement that strikes me as somewhat fishy:

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For example it currently takes up to 10 days to process a deposit because our bank, upon receiving deposits, notifies us of the deposit but holds them for 7~10 days before transferring them to our account. This has always been the case, and we were still crediting customer accounts before receiving the funds ourselves, but some cases in which the bank subsequently rejected the deposits meant that we incurred significant losses. The risk is now too high for us to credit accounts prematurely. We are in the process of forming relationships with new partners, banks, and taking other steps -- hopefully we will not only be back where we were before we encountered these issues , but much further ahead.
sr. member
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I would expect BTC from Bitstamp to flow (and be sold immediately) into Gox anytime.

then you would have USD on gox, which you can never get

the market is always right
legendary
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Rational Exuberance
A mistrustful part of me suspects that MtGox is making huge profits arbitraging the price difference themselves, which gives them a perverse motivation to keep withdrawals slow.
hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 1000
MtGox is the Lock Poker of bitcoin.  They take your money, and you never see it again, just make excuse after excuse

I can't believe anyone is still wiring them money .... that just does not make sense to me
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