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Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool - page 86. (Read 2591919 times)

legendary
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However, there is no need to have miners switch work once per share. Bitcoin's blocks and transactions need to be serialized in a canonical ordering in order to prevent double-spending or transaction conflicts, but with p2pool there's no equivalent need for each share to come one after another. All that a share needs to do is prove that work was done in a way that benefits other p2pool users, which means (a) accurately pays out to other p2pool users and (b) is working on the correct block height at any given time.

How do you implement PPLNS without consensus on the order of shares?

I think when you make this kind of change to allow sibling shares you will need to introduce more complex incentive models to try to make the payouts "fair" and unexploitable (including hop-proof), not unlike how GHOST or ETH's version of it attempt to do so with block rewards. That sounds like a mess.

In any case I'm glad to hear that firmware issues seem to be resolved on the latest Antminers, potentially reducing the need for this.
legendary
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Good news: The Antminer S9 works fine on p2pool with no modifications. I've been running mine on p2pool for the last 8 hours, and it's producing within 1% of the hashrate that I saw when I tested it on a traditional pool.

That is really fantastic news. Let's hope we get a lot more of those beasts up on p2pool soon.

I was considering restarting my modest (well under 1 MW) but, despite claims of full and forced industrialization and centralization, economically-viable Bitcoin mining operation after reviewing the initial S9 announcement but for largely unrelated reasons decided to wait for a later batch. When I deploy them it will almost certainly be on p2pool.
hero member
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Good news: The Antminer S9 works fine on p2pool with no modifications. I've been running mine on p2pool for the last 8 hours, and it's producing within 1% of the hashrate that I saw when I tested it on a traditional pool.
hero member
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Where on the doll did p2pool touch you?



This is worth at least one or two small chuckles.
donator
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And as a side note, Kano has managed to change this into a thread for promoting his pool AGAIN....

It is shocking how much time he spends trolling.

Pointing out that Toomin's numbers were crap exaggeration is trolling?


You have a reading comprehension problem.

Where on the doll did p2pool touch you?


member
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p2pool node scanner has been updated: http://p2pool.co

Please send any more updates and let me know how we can make it better.
legendary
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And as a side note, Kano has managed to change this into a thread for promoting his pool AGAIN....

It is shocking how much time he spends trolling.
Pointing out that Toomin's numbers were crap exaggeration is trolling?
Oh well then go blow him and feel good about it.
donator
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
And as a side note, Kano has managed to change this into a thread for promoting his pool AGAIN....

It is shocking how much time he spends trolling.
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4

It is not hard to get a better rate than 3%.

https://kano.is/ is 0.9%
https://bitminter.com/ is 1%
https://slushpool.com/ is 2%

LMFTFY Wink

P2Pool is 0% with transaction fees paid to miners.

And as a side note, Kano has managed to change this into a thread for promoting his pool AGAIN....

This thread is about P2Pool, lets please keep it focused.
What? Not willing to actually say what the average P2Pool Txn fees have been for the last 100 blocks?
Would be rather odd to be saying ... "Rewards are better here coz you expect to be paid less ..."

At least quote the numbers that are relevant: 0% fee, X% txn fees, Y% orphans
Or is that not gonna give you the answer you want to tell everyone?

That's another thing that sets P2Pool apart from centralized, trust requiring mining farms like yours, 100% transparency, thanks for reminding me!

Here's all the data for P2Pool since inception:  http://minefast.coincadence.com/p2pool-stats.php

You still wont say the numbers hey. Why? Smiley
legendary
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It is not hard to get a better rate than 3%.

https://kano.is/ is 0.9%
https://bitminter.com/ is 1%
https://slushpool.com/ is 2%

LMFTFY Wink

P2Pool is 0% with transaction fees paid to miners.

And as a side note, Kano has managed to change this into a thread for promoting his pool AGAIN....

This thread is about P2Pool, lets please keep it focused.
What? Not willing to actually say what the average P2Pool Txn fees have been for the last 100 blocks?
Would be rather odd to be saying ... "Rewards are better here coz you expect to be paid less ..."

At least quote the numbers that are relevant: 0% fee, X% txn fees, Y% orphans
Or is that not gonna give you the answer you want to tell everyone?

That's another thing that sets P2Pool apart from centralized, trust requiring mining farms like yours, 100% transparency, thanks for reminding me!

Here's all the data for P2Pool since inception:  http://minefast.coincadence.com/p2pool-stats.php


newbie
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Im just getting back into mining and i picked up two cheap S4s (i get free electricity) and from the pools that i looked at to go into, 3% does seem really high to me.

It is not hard to get a better rate than 3%.

https://kano.is/ is 0.9%
https://bitminter.com/ is 1%
https://slushpool.com/ is 2%

Thats exactly what i mean, there was no issue finding a good pool under 3%, even 1% or lower. (currently @ kano ck)
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4

It is not hard to get a better rate than 3%.

https://kano.is/ is 0.9%
https://bitminter.com/ is 1%
https://slushpool.com/ is 2%

LMFTFY Wink

P2Pool is 0% with transaction fees paid to miners.

And as a side note, Kano has managed to change this into a thread for promoting his pool AGAIN....

This thread is about P2Pool, lets please keep it focused.
What? Not willing to actually say what the average P2Pool Txn fees have been for the last 100 blocks?
Would be rather odd to be saying ... "Rewards are better here coz you expect to be paid less ..."

At least quote the numbers that are relevant: 0% fee, X% txn fees, Y% orphans
Or is that not gonna give you the answer you want to tell everyone?
legendary
Activity: 1258
Merit: 1027

It is not hard to get a better rate than 3%.

https://kano.is/ is 0.9%
https://bitminter.com/ is 1%
https://slushpool.com/ is 2%

LMFTFY Wink

P2Pool is 0% with transaction fees paid to miners.

And as a side note, Kano has managed to change this into a thread for promoting his pool AGAIN....

This thread is about P2Pool, lets please keep it focused.
hero member
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Im just getting back into mining and i picked up two cheap S4s (i get free electricity) and from the pools that i looked at to go into, 3% does seem really high to me.

It is not hard to get a better rate than 3%.

https://kano.is/ is 0.9%
https://bitminter.com/ is 1%
https://slushpool.com/ is 2%
newbie
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Im just getting back into mining and i picked up two cheap S4s (i get free electricity) and from the pools that i looked at to go into, 3% does seem really high to me.
legendary
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You said 3% or more.

2.5% base fee plus 1-2% transaction fees > 3%.

I'm a little surprised you think this is worth arguing about.
Again quoting F2Pool or Bitmain.

Look around, there are plenty of other pools out there that make your 3% comment a major exaggeration.
You keep implying that it's all about F2Pool and Bitmain ... well it isn't, open your eyes.

Also mining on P2Pool doesn't mean high txn fees.
It depends on the average miner settings on P2Pool, which is not "full blocks", and the pool average is not 'high'
... also the fact that P2Pool produces empty blocks by design, with NO txn fees at all ... ... ...
hero member
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You said 3% or more.

2.5% base fee plus 1-2% transaction fees > 3%.

I'm a little surprised you think this is worth arguing about.
legendary
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Ah ok so you are yet another of the "we all mine on antpool and f2pool" goons.
No, I'm one of the "47% of us mine on antpool and f2pool" goons. Only the Sith deal in absolutes.
...
You said 3% or more.
If you think 3 can sometimes not be absolutely 3 ... ... ... ...
newbie
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Could someone explain to me what is the difference between running p2pool with port 8333 and 9333 open and close.

In order to participate in the bitcoin and p2pool p2p networks, your node needs to make connections with other computers. These connections can either be outgoing (your computer initiates) or incoming (another computer initiates). If port 8333 and 9333 are closed, then your computer can only make outgoing connections.

Since there are a lot of computers that have closed ports, this means that there are more computers trying to make outgoing connections than there are computers that are able to receive them. As a result, if you have closed ports, your bitcoind and p2pool processes will make fewer total connections, and will not be able to propagate shares and blocks as well. You also make the issue worse of there being more outgoing connection attempts than there are recipients.

Port 8333 is for bitcoind's p2p communication. Port 9333 is for p2pool's p2p communication. Bitcoind's p2p communication is for transmitting blocks and transactions, and p2pool's p2p communication is for transmitting p2pool shares (and also some blocks). Port 9333 makes a much larger difference for p2pool's performance than 8333.

Hi jtoonim,

thanks for the explaination.

from what I understand from your explaination, with port 8333 and 9333 closed about not able to propagate shares and blocks means I could solve a block but it just I will have to rely on someone else full node bitcoind and p2pool to propagate it to the network?

And if possible, I open both port. but if for some reason I couldn't, it will still be better open port 9333 than 8333 right?
hero member
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Could someone explain to me what is the difference between running p2pool with port 8333 and 9333 open and close.

In order to participate in the bitcoin and p2pool p2p networks, your node needs to make connections with other computers. These connections can either be outgoing (your computer initiates) or incoming (another computer initiates). If port 8333 and 9333 are closed, then your computer can only make outgoing connections.

Since there are a lot of computers that have closed ports, this means that there are more computers trying to make outgoing connections than there are computers that are able to receive them. As a result, if you have closed ports, your bitcoind and p2pool processes will make fewer total connections, and will not be able to propagate shares and blocks as well. You also make the issue worse of there being more outgoing connection attempts than there are recipients.

Port 8333 is for bitcoind's p2p communication. Port 9333 is for p2pool's p2p communication. Bitcoind's p2p communication is for transmitting blocks and transactions, and p2pool's p2p communication is for transmitting p2pool shares (and also some blocks). Port 9333 makes a much larger difference for p2pool's performance than 8333.
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