17 y/o YouTuber faces years in jail for insulting Islam and Christianity

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Quote from: countryfree on June 17, 2016, 05:50:43 PM

Quote from: BADecker on June 17, 2016, 05:15:23 PM

Freedom of speech is all around us. So is freedom to fight off your antagonists who you spoke against, when they decide your speech harmed them.

I've never been in a country where there was freedom of speech. It doesn't exist in Europe, nor in the US, nor in Russia, just nowhere, because hate speech is part of that freedom, and very few people actually accept it. Is there a single place anywhere, where you can say that the guy who killed 50 gays in Florida was right, and that you're happy about it?

I could name a few countries, such as Switzerland and New Zealand, although I am not sure for how long they will remain like that. Leftist loonies (supported by their allies such as the LGBTs and radical feminists) are waging their war against press freedom and free speech all around the world. Not even Switzerland is free from their influence.

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Here in our country, he will not be jailed because he is only 17 years old. Wink

With regards to the video, I did not see it yet, but mocking other persons religion or belief is no no good. Just you think that you know everything and anything does not mean your above anyone else. Just because they worship or believe God which you cannot see nor anyone testifies to His existence is not a license to be proud on what you believe in and think that you are intelligent and an absolute person. I still believe that in every creation, there is someone who creates it, and that is our Almighty Creator!

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Quote from: countryfree on June 17, 2016, 05:50:43 PM

Quote from: BADecker on June 17, 2016, 05:15:23 PM

Freedom of speech is all around us. So is freedom to fight off your antagonists who you spoke against, when they decide your speech harmed them.

I've never been in a country where there was freedom of speech. It doesn't exist in Europe, nor in the US, nor in Russia, just nowhere, because hate speech is part of that freedom, and very few people actually accept it. Is there a single place anywhere, where you can say that the guy who killed 50 gays in Florida was right, and that you're happy about it?

The idea of freedom is relative.

Nobody in the world is free. What is one easy way that we can tell this? Nobody can jump to the moon. Gravity has made slaves of us all. And there are lots of other things we are slaves to, just to live.

Freedom of speech has its meaning. One of the things that it does not mean is, that someone would have freedom to speak in a way that he is impossible to form the words for, because the shape of his mouth just can't do it.

Go into your closet and say anything you want, freely.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 17, 2016, 05:15:23 PM

Freedom of speech is all around us. So is freedom to fight off your antagonists who you spoke against, when they decide your speech harmed them.

I've never been in a country where there was freedom of speech. It doesn't exist in Europe, nor in the US, nor in Russia, just nowhere, because hate speech is part of that freedom, and very few people actually accept it. Is there a single place anywhere, where you can say that the guy who killed 50 gays in Florida was right, and that you're happy about it?

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 17, 2016, 01:42:22 PM

Quote from: designerusa on June 17, 2016, 07:39:35 AM

freedom of speech is really inseparable part of human rights but if someone insults a gender, a religion , a skin color , he or she will exactly be on a trial. this is so natural so everyone should be respectful to each other. freedom of speech has its limits too like every other human rights.

Freedom of speech with limits and sublimits is not exactly "freedom of speech". Either you allow full freedom, or you don't allow anything. There is nothing in between. Religion, race, skin color.etc are not immune from criticism. If people are allowed to praise these things, then they should be allowed to criticize it as well. Open your eyes.. we are living in the 21st century.

Freedom of speech is all around us. So is freedom to fight off your antagonists who you spoke against, when they decide your speech harmed them.

If the use of your freedom truly harms someone, then you should pay. But the harmed person better get up and show how he was harmed and how you were the one who did it. If he (or his surviving relatives) can't or won't do this, you are free.

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Quote from: designerusa on June 17, 2016, 07:39:35 AM

freedom of speech is really inseparable part of human rights but if someone insults a gender, a religion , a skin color , he or she will exactly be on a trial. this is so natural so everyone should be respectful to each other. freedom of speech has its limits too like every other human rights.

Freedom of speech with limits and sublimits is not exactly "freedom of speech". Either you allow full freedom, or you don't allow anything. There is nothing in between. Religion, race, skin color.etc are not immune from criticism. If people are allowed to praise these things, then they should be allowed to criticize it as well. Open your eyes.. we are living in the 21st century.

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Quote from: Wilikon on June 15, 2016, 11:33:00 AM

#FreeAmosYee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKZhtdZ5gp0

freedom of speech is really inseparable part of human rights but if someone insults a gender, a religion , a skin color , he or she will exactly be on a trial. this is so natural so everyone should be respectful to each other. freedom of speech has its limits too like every other human rights.

You've listed the things human rights shouldn't protect.
Can you list 3 examples of speech protected by human rights?

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Quote from: Wilikon on June 15, 2016, 11:33:00 AM

#FreeAmosYee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKZhtdZ5gp0

freedom of speech is really inseparable part of human rights but if someone insults a gender, a religion , a skin color , he or she will exactly be on a trial. this is so natural so everyone should be respectful to each other. freedom of speech has its limits too like every other human rights.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 15, 2016, 01:32:14 PM

Quote from: BADecker on June 15, 2016, 12:41:38 PM

Just curious. What country is he in/from/being imprisoned by? Cool

Amos Yee is a famous artist / activist from Singapore. Last year, after the death of Lee Kuan Yew, he uploaded a video to Youtube, which made comparisons between Lee and Jesus. Supporters of Lee argued that the video mocked Christians and Jesus, and he was detained. His YouTube video channel can be found below:

https://www.youtube.com/user/BrainAndButter/videos

Ah, so that explains it.

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Quote from: Superbitzz on June 15, 2016, 02:33:48 PM

it is a good news no one has the right to insult any religion. all religion should be protected and they should be respected.

Obligatory fuck Islam.

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Singapore is a city state which has similarities to a dictatorship - it shouldnt wonder, they dont even have free press.

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Quote from: escrowboy on June 16, 2016, 08:24:22 AM

Thats the reason he committed suicide, government bullied him for entire year and making him said that he was guilty of doing something but the truth he did nothing wrong he just want information to be taken our freely and doesnt need to be paid off.

http://www.aaronsw.com/

Those who forced him to take his life are still enjoying the limelight, ruining the lives of numerous other people.

Aaron Swartz was a martyr, who gave up his life for freedom. We are doing a great disservice to him by refusing to act against those who were behind his suicide. I just checked the Wikipedia page of the evil witch who killed him. It is full of propaganda churned out by her loyalists.

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Quote from: escrowboy on June 16, 2016, 08:24:22 AM

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Quote from: Slow death on June 15, 2016, 12:47:04 PM

This is to remove the freedom of expression, youtube is a private account it and he can say whatever he wants, it is up to youtube to see if he broke the youtube service TOS and he broke the youtube TOS you would banish him, but involve authorities and be arrested? Where is our freedom of expression?

However, dictator and civil law countries don't need the Youtube excuse. They can get away with arresting anyone that they want. All they have to do is make it a law aimed at one person. The reason why they don't do it regular like, is to keep the populace from rebelling. That's why I ask what country he is from.

In America, the government does the same thing to people. But the difference is that, in America, government has to get the individual to agree in court first. Individuals agree, because they are too ignorant to realize that they don't have to agree. So, they go to prison for nothing, simply because government talked them into agreeing to it.

See http://voidjudgments.com/, and Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz common law."

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This go same situation that happened on Aaron Swartz

Swartz - bless his soul - is gone. But the same thing happened to Ross Ulbricht, the guy who might have been Dread Pirate Roberts of Silk Road fame. Ulbricht is in prison. If he used the info at the Void, Judgments, and if he talked Karl Lentz into helping him, he might get out in less than a month, with all his bitcoins returned to him, or an equal amount in cash.

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Thats the reason he committed suicide, government bullied him for entire year and making him said that he was guilty of doing something but the truth he did nothing wrong he just want information to be taken our freely and doesnt need to be paid off.

No, that's not why. The real reason is that he didn't know Karl Lentz, who would have taught him the best way to use the law found at Void Judgments. If he had known Karl, he would have freed himself from government.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 16, 2016, 07:49:36 AM

Quote from: escrowboy on June 16, 2016, 07:11:46 AM

Quote from: BADecker on June 15, 2016, 01:31:49 PM

Quote from: Slow death on June 15, 2016, 12:47:04 PM

This is to remove the freedom of expression, youtube is a private account it and he can say whatever he wants, it is up to youtube to see if he broke the youtube service TOS and he broke the youtube TOS you would banish him, but involve authorities and be arrested? Where is our freedom of expression?

However, dictator and civil law countries don't need the Youtube excuse. They can get away with arresting anyone that they want. All they have to do is make it a law aimed at one person. The reason why they don't do it regular like, is to keep the populace from rebelling. That's why I ask what country he is from.

In America, the government does the same thing to people. But the difference is that, in America, government has to get the individual to agree in court first. Individuals agree, because they are too ignorant to realize that they don't have to agree. So, they go to prison for nothing, simply because government talked them into agreeing to it.

See http://voidjudgments.com/, and Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz common law."

Cool

This go same situation that happened on Aaron Swartz

Swartz - bless his soul - is gone. But the same thing happened to Ross Ulbricht, the guy who might have been Dread Pirate Roberts of Silk Road fame. Ulbricht is in prison. If he used the info at the Void, Judgments, and if he talked Karl Lentz into helping him, he might get out in less than a month, with all his bitcoins returned to him, or an equal amount in cash.

Cool

Thats the reason he committed suicide, government bullied him for entire year and making him said that he was guilty of doing something but the truth he did nothing wrong he just want information to be taken our freely and doesnt need to be paid off.

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Quote from: escrowboy on June 16, 2016, 07:11:46 AM

Quote from: BADecker on June 15, 2016, 01:31:49 PM

Quote from: Slow death on June 15, 2016, 12:47:04 PM

This is to remove the freedom of expression, youtube is a private account it and he can say whatever he wants, it is up to youtube to see if he broke the youtube service TOS and he broke the youtube TOS you would banish him, but involve authorities and be arrested? Where is our freedom of expression?

However, dictator and civil law countries don't need the Youtube excuse. They can get away with arresting anyone that they want. All they have to do is make it a law aimed at one person. The reason why they don't do it regular like, is to keep the populace from rebelling. That's why I ask what country he is from.

In America, the government does the same thing to people. But the difference is that, in America, government has to get the individual to agree in court first. Individuals agree, because they are too ignorant to realize that they don't have to agree. So, they go to prison for nothing, simply because government talked them into agreeing to it.

See http://voidjudgments.com/, and Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz common law."

Cool

This go same situation that happened on Aaron Swartz

Swartz - bless his soul - is gone. But the same thing happened to Ross Ulbricht, the guy who might have been Dread Pirate Roberts of Silk Road fame. Ulbricht is in prison. If he used the info at the Void, Judgments, and if he talked Karl Lentz into helping him, he might get out in less than a month, with all his bitcoins returned to him, or an equal amount in cash.

Cool

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Quote from: BADecker on June 15, 2016, 01:31:49 PM

Quote from: Slow death on June 15, 2016, 12:47:04 PM

This is to remove the freedom of expression, youtube is a private account it and he can say whatever he wants, it is up to youtube to see if he broke the youtube service TOS and he broke the youtube TOS you would banish him, but involve authorities and be arrested? Where is our freedom of expression?

However, dictator and civil law countries don't need the Youtube excuse. They can get away with arresting anyone that they want. All they have to do is make it a law aimed at one person. The reason why they don't do it regular like, is to keep the populace from rebelling. That's why I ask what country he is from.

In America, the government does the same thing to people. But the difference is that, in America, government has to get the individual to agree in court first. Individuals agree, because they are too ignorant to realize that they don't have to agree. So, they go to prison for nothing, simply because government talked them into agreeing to it.

See http://voidjudgments.com/, and Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz common law."

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This go same situation that happened on Aaron Swartz

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Quote from: helloeverybody on June 16, 2016, 04:08:47 AM

Indeed, Buddhism and Hinduism have a live and let live policy where as most of the other uncivilised religions have an obey what we say policy or else you die.

Buddhism for instance doesn't try to force you into believing with threats of eternal damnation, it simply tries to guide you into being a better person.

I am not saying that all the Christian and Muslim sects are bad. There are tolerant Christian sects, such as the Amish, Mennonites and the Hutterites. And there are also moderate Muslim groups such as the Alawites and the Sufis. But the vast majority of the Christians and Muslims are part of conservative sects, and hates those who believe in other religions.

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it's unbelievable.

I see every time a Christian and Muslims on TV and youtube channels to talk nonsense.

For example:

On YouTube has videos of pastors of certain religions that encourage people who should not work on weekends. that people should not receive blood (blood transfusion)

The world is going to end soon.

Why these people who say this are not arrested?

I've seen things that Muslims say, their words encourage violence, but they are not arrested.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2016, 03:23:30 AM

Quote from: helloeverybody on June 16, 2016, 12:53:47 AM

Most of these religions if they had it their way would separate your head from your shoulders for criticism against the Beleives they hold.

You need to differentiate between the organized business minded religions such as Baptistm, Judaism, Salafism, and Mormonism, with unorganized ancient religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism. The former would chop your head if you criticize them. The latter are more tolerant, and usually they will not attack you unless you attack them first.

Indeed, Buddhism and Hinduism have a live and let live policy where as most of the other uncivilised religions have an obey what we say policy or else you die.

Buddhism for instance doesn't try to force you into believing with threats of eternal damnation, it simply tries to guide you into being a better person.

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Quote from: helloeverybody on June 16, 2016, 12:53:47 AM

Most of these religions if they had it their way would separate your head from your shoulders for criticism against the Beleives they hold.

You need to differentiate between the organized business minded religions such as Baptistm, Judaism, Salafism, and Mormonism, with unorganized ancient religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism. The former would chop your head if you criticize them. The latter are more tolerant, and usually they will not attack you unless you attack them first.

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