$172,500 scam attempt by two Ukranians - Etranger and DrBeer

BitcoinGirl.Club

legendary

Activity: 2800

Merit: 2736

Farewell LEO: o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: Vod on November 29, 2024, 06:26:00 AM

(Please make a new thread if you want to discuss this fantasy - it's OT here)

I really don't have time to continue arguing when you are clearly not well informed about how the feedback works since the last update.

Do you have any prove of the scam happened? Obviously you don't.

Maasdamer

member

Activity: 624

Merit: 36

Quote from: Vod on November 29, 2024, 06:26:00 AM

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 29, 2024, 03:42:01 AM

Obviously you will believe this is consistency.

Yes, I am consistent; it does not matter to me who scams - even my own countrymen - I will still act the same way. That is why I am the longest running DT member.

Obviously, You can believe anything you want

(Please make a new thread if you want to discuss this fantasy - it's OT here)

And that's exactly the problem here. A sore loser like you being the longest running DT is basically an isult to the whole system. But you are so proud of it, biggest accoplishment of your life it seems. That's the only reason you came back after running away from the forum like a little b. Tongue

Vod

legendary

Activity: 3668

Merit: 3010

Licking my boob since 1970

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 29, 2024, 03:42:01 AM

Obviously you will believe this is consistency.

Yes, I am consistent; it does not matter to me who scams - even my own countrymen - I will still act the same way. That is why I am the longest running DT member.

Obviously, You can believe anything you want

(Please make a new thread if you want to discuss this fantasy - it's OT here)

BitcoinGirl.Club

legendary

Activity: 2800

Merit: 2736

Farewell LEO: o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: Vod on November 28, 2024, 06:41:27 AM

I believe I have been consistent in my stance against scammers. I notice that the forum tolerance of my feedback changes over time, but I certainly do not abuse DT.

You can believe anything you want but you are not protecting the forum anymore. There are blinds without eyes and there are blinds who have eyes but they are still blind. Understanding something is not enough unless you realize it. You certainly is doing abuse of your DT power. Not just with these two users recently but with many others. Do you even now know how the feedback system should be used? I doubt.

Quote

The community caught OGNasty stealing community coins. Theymos awarded him for this theft, and still trusts and pays him

Quote

Theymos has been paying OGNasty 0.5btc a month to steal and scam other users. He also makes OGNasty a merit source, even though he does nothing but shitpost for sats. How far he's fallen.

Obviously you will believe this is consistency. Many of the feedback you left have no value at all. I already told you can believe whatever you want. You are using feedback system for your personal achievements. It can be to gain sympathy, it can be making your personal projects to gain some views, it can be just to feel yourself happy.

nutildah

legendary

Activity: 3010

Merit: 8114

Except you don't have any kind of evidence this is a scam attempt. Two well-established, non-scamming members come up with a wildly unrealistic business idea that no one here will touch with a 10-foot pole does not equal a scam. Your red tags against these users is a punitive punishment that helps nothing, since nobody would consider the offer anyway. It is a Lauda-esque abuse of the trust system. You should consider downgrading the negatives to neutrals.

Vod

legendary

Activity: 3668

Merit: 3010

Licking my boob since 1970

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 28, 2024, 03:17:14 AM

I am sorry Vod, you were better before you disappeared

I believe I have been consistent in my stance against scammers. I notice that the forum tolerance of my feedback changes over time, but I certainly do not abuse DT. Roll Eyes

BitcoinGirl.Club

legendary

Activity: 2800

Merit: 2736

Farewell LEO: o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: Vod on November 27, 2024, 04:47:47 AM

I am reading all messages. I'm just spending more time developing and less time scam busting

I want to point out I did give her the benefit of the doubt, and initially removed feedback. There can be a case made that she was just fantasizing, seeing what she could raise if she were serious.

BUT she then doubled down and claimed she would/would have repaid anything lent out of her personal funds, expected next year. This was after the initial round of rejections - a second effort to scam. When asked for proof of course she says she will not prove anything, because I could somehow scam her. Roll Eyes

If anyone wants to deal with her, my rating will not affect that. But if she asks to borrow a large sum, they can be warned to do their own research.

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 23, 2024, 12:21:31 PM

I don't see any response yet from VOD. There are still two negative tags for the two users which are obviously harsh and without evidence of any scam.

If you feel I don't repeat myself as much as others, it's because I don't wear a paid signature and no one has presented new information.

I am sorry Vod, you were better before you disappeared, your conflict with Nasty was acceptable, it was in a personal level which did not harm the forum environment but ever since you decided to return you came up with an aggressive attitude towards the people you don't like, abusing the feedback system. In my opinion you are not fit to have a place in DT setting. I will be observing you.

mrust_mobile

member

Activity: 134

Merit: 94

The Alliance of Bitcointalk Translators - ENG > TR

Does entranger seriously think anybody is dumb enough to send him 150k usd without any protection/collateral? That’s the craziest part if he is serious about the loan and I guess he is serious about it indeed.

It would only get crazier if someone actually sent him the money.

Crazy world.

Vod

legendary

Activity: 3668

Merit: 3010

Licking my boob since 1970

I am reading all messages. I'm just spending more time developing and less time scam busting

I want to point out I did give her the benefit of the doubt, and initially removed feedback. There can be a case made that she was just fantasizing, seeing what she could raise if she were serious.

BUT she then doubled down and claimed she would/would have repaid anything lent out of her personal funds, expected next year. This was after the initial round of rejections - a second effort to scam. When asked for proof of course she says she will not prove anything, because I could somehow scam her. Roll Eyes

If anyone wants to deal with her, my rating will not affect that. But if she asks to borrow a large sum, they can be warned to do their own research.

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 23, 2024, 12:21:31 PM

I don't see any response yet from VOD. There are still two negative tags for the two users which are obviously harsh and without evidence of any scam.

If you feel I don't repeat myself as much as others, it's because I don't wear a paid signature and no one has presented new information.

Learn Bitcoin

hero member

Activity: 462

Merit: 767

Instant cryptocurrency exchange with own reserves!

I am too young to talk about it, but I have seen the previous thread. I felt like Etranger was probably daydreaming about the project. But he applied for a loan, which is unlikely to be filled by anyone. The feedback page says, "Negative—You think that trading with this person is high-risk." If Vod thinks trading with Etranger is high-risk, he could leave negative feedback, but it should have a good reason.

However, considering Etranger is an established forum member, Vod could wait and post neutral feedback as a warning. I am not supporting or opposing the tag. But I feel like a neutral should be enough as a warning. The whole community is already aware of the case. Moreover, he is unlikely to get the loan, and the scam is yet to happen. Since there is no way to know his intention, you could give him the benefit of the doubt.

Poker Player

legendary

Activity: 1372

Merit: 2017

Quote from: nutildah on November 20, 2024, 05:37:57 PM

Vod's into the "scam prevention" aspect of it: pre-emptively tagging accounts that display the warning signs of a scammer.

Quote from: Vod on November 25, 2024, 04:03:27 PM

I am, since waiting until after a scam is useless.

Well, it is widely known that I am of the same conception. That you have to wait until someone has scammed (and probably at that time has already disappeared from the forum) to tag him/her seems to me completely useless, and I don't think that's what the trust system was designed for, which clearly says when you put a red tag: “You think that trading with this person is high risk”. It is not telling you to provide irrefutable evidence, in fact posting a reference link is optional, it is telling you to write based on what you think.

But I will leave aside this issue, in which neither Vod nor myself are the only ones who think so, to say that in this particular case it does not seem to me to be a scam, let alone an obvious one. As I have already said in other threads on the subject this seems to me more like a kind of naive dream of someone who sees a way out in the mining project to the situation in which he is in the middle of a war than a scam intention, and on the other hand, whoever has so much money to lend them what they are asking for does not usually fall for cheap attempts to swindle them.

Maasdamer

member

Activity: 624

Merit: 36

I remember the time when VOD quit the forum because he got his little feelings hurt. Too bad he decided to come back and continue his reign of terror and trust abuse. I can't understand why a sore loser like him would be DT for such a long time. One of the worst decisions this forum has ever made.

PowerGlove

hero member

Activity: 510

Merit: 4005

Quote from: Vod on November 25, 2024, 04:03:27 PM

I am, since waiting until after a scam is useless.

Watch this (until the 1:17 mark): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3tWx251Hkw Tongue

(In all seriousness, your hunch-based use of the trust system is why there's been a ~Vod on my list since last December: I think that you rely on your instincts way too much, and that those instincts are sometimes so wildly off-the-mark, as with your feedback against theymos, that I genuinely struggle to see how/why it's a good idea to have a trigger-happy user like you on DT. Off-topic, so feel free to respond by PM, but, I'm curious about how I ended up on your distrust list? Was it because I merited this post? I remember those two events being close-enough to each other that it seemed like one caused the other, though maybe my memory is off.)

Vod

legendary

Activity: 3668

Merit: 3010

Licking my boob since 1970

Quote from: nutildah on November 20, 2024, 05:37:57 PM

Vod's into the "scam prevention" aspect of it.

I am, since waiting until after a scam is useless. I have been extraordinarily compassionate in this case, since the scammers are my kinfolk.

If Etranger was sincere, he would not have negative trust, but he has outright stated he will not provide any proof. I don't understand how a letter from a law firm confirming he has $xx coming in on yy would endanger the funds, but that is the excuse he is using.

On this forum (at least for the past decade or so) if you lie about your collateral you get negative trust.

BitcoinGirl.Club

legendary

Activity: 2800

Merit: 2736

Farewell LEO: o_e_l_e_o

I don't see any response yet from VOD. There are still two negative tags for the two users which are obviously harsh and without evidence of any scam.

Quote from: examplens on November 21, 2024, 05:05:07 AM

This has already been discussed in the reputation board, I think that mostly everything has been said about the whole case.
Etranger's strange loan request

DireWolfM14 already revised it to neutral after realizing that the tag from him was not appropriate use of the feedback. His insights about not leaving a neutral [not needed of course] was also admirable.

examplens

legendary

Activity: 3472

Merit: 3507

Crypto Swap Exchange

Quote from: nutildah on November 20, 2024, 05:37:57 PM

Vod's into the "scam prevention" aspect of it: pre-emptively tagging accounts that display the warning signs of a scammer. Its often a controversial use of the trust system. But in this case I agree with you. If its a scam attempt, its one of the worst ones I've ever seen. Since it involves not just some random newbie but a rather established member of the forum, I think a red tag should be reserved for when a scam actually takes place. If anything, a warning in the form of a neutral would be a better fit, IMO.

There is not much to add here.
It takes $150k and a one-year wait to determine scam intentions. It certainly won't happen.
Honestly, I didn't get the impression that Etranger had the intention of deceiving anyone here, he just came out with a very bad financial structure for the amount he expected from investors.
This has already been discussed in the reputation board, I think that mostly everything has been said about the whole case.
Etranger's strange loan request

nutildah

legendary

Activity: 3010

Merit: 8114

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 20, 2024, 12:24:55 PM

Quote from: Vod on November 18, 2024, 08:32:03 PM

I doubt it. Scam was obvious, and I'll ignore useless comments. Still, it's better here than in Project Development.

How do you know?

By just using your intuition you can not start tagging people. If you do so then you are clearly abusing the feedback system. I do not see any scam to happen yet. Prove me wrong.

Vod's into the "scam prevention" aspect of it: pre-emptively tagging accounts that display the warning signs of a scammer. Its often a controversial use of the trust system. But in this case I agree with you. If its a scam attempt, its one of the worst ones I've ever seen. Since it involves not just some random newbie but a rather established member of the forum, I think a red tag should be reserved for when a scam actually takes place. If anything, a warning in the form of a neutral would be a better fit, IMO.

BitcoinGirl.Club

legendary

Activity: 2800

Merit: 2736

Farewell LEO: o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: Vod on November 18, 2024, 08:32:03 PM

I doubt it. Scam was obvious, and I'll ignore useless comments. Still, it's better here than in Project Development.

How do you know?

By just using your intuition you can not start tagging people. If you do so then you are clearly abusing the feedback system. I do not see any scam to happen yet. Prove me wrong.

Vod

legendary

Activity: 3668

Merit: 3010

Licking my boob since 1970

Quote from: mrust_mobile on November 18, 2024, 02:55:01 PM

Here comes another (at least) 20 pages of long topic full of drama and insults.

Leggoo

I doubt it. Scam was obvious, and I'll ignore useless comments. Still, it's better here than in Project Development.

mrust_mobile

member

Activity: 134

Merit: 94

The Alliance of Bitcointalk Translators - ENG > TR

Here comes another (at least) 20 pages of long topic full of drama and insults.

Leggoo

Topic: $172,500 scam attempt by two Ukranians - Etranger and DrBeer (Read 461 times)