Topic: 17yo girl faces fine for using pepper spray against sex attacker - page 2. (Read 2460 times)

Government exists today to punish/collect revenue from victimless criminals and protect victimful criminals from their victims.

My question exactly.
Wouldn't this fall under a non-cognizable offence, where the victim has to file charges?
If the police couldn't protect her, they have no business filing charges.

I'm not sure I understand. If the attacker fled the scene and hasn't been found, them who is charging her?
I mean the police wasn't there, otherwise she would not have had to use the pepper spray, which means they have no evidence.
What the hell is happening? Is this a joke? What's happening with the scandinavian countries? I hear only bad jokes from what happens there.

Sharia law and "the de facto/illegitimate government will kill you for self-defense they don't like" regulates women out of their human right to shoot rapists QUITE well.

I can read, but can you?
It's about their law system, we can't blame anybody but lawmakers (politicians).

It's a simple question about human rights. If you believe in human rights, you accept the necessity of self-defense. Without self-defense, there can be no human rights, only the illusion of them.

When a person employs the use of lethal force against an attacker, that attacker becomes unable to spread certain genetic deficiencies which poison the human genome affecting the quality of life for the future of humanity. It's a scientific fact, irrespective of what anybody believes, that every action or inaction will have a future consequence or reaction of some sort. It's already been established that a deficiency must be present to violently rape another person, no reasonable person would do it.

If you believe people are utterly incapable of determining when they need to defend themselves, then continue your gun control crusade. But if you believe you could identify an attack against yourself, and choose when it's reasonable to defend yourself, then gun control is an oppression on your ability to enact a dire need to defend yourself.

By the way, islamist territories of Syria have no gun regulation... The same is correct for Iraq, Somali and Lybia, these are so wonderful places to live.

Well I'll let you by your words. As you said, he who claims must prove. Then prove that " marxists and socialists such as yourself will ensure Europe's speedy decline.".

I didn't say anything about Australia because it was not related to YOUR claim and YOUR statement about European legislation. I like how you consider that "considering how large and diverse the US is compared to these other countries.". Well I'll go with your way of debating, just prove that claim. Cause as you kept saying, that's just an opinion.

EU has twice the population of USA, 28 times the legislation complexity, numerous different cultures and etcnics groups, dense history, more or less 25 different languages, and you just come here and caim that it's "not so much diversified, especially compared to the US".

Well. When it's you it's just fact no? But when I don't take one non European country because YOU were talking about European legislation, you say that I try to push my opinion. Double standards no? If we go this way, shall we also consider the dozen of gun non control country having superior rape rate or would it be out of debate because it doesn't suit you? At least I have the honnesty to apologize when I misinterprete a stat.

And ok let's discuss Europe rape rate at the end of 2016, I'm pretty sure it won't ashame our continent. But as for anything else, you know better of course.

P.S. Oh and of course let's totally forget about the fact that 26 out of 28 nations have a lower rape rate than US. It doesn't prove ANYTHING.

You didn't say anything about Australia because it doesn't fit your narrative of gun ownership having no effect on preventing rape. I responded to your claim and used your own source to show that you ignored other instances which refute your claims in order to yes, push your opinion. He who claims proves, and your proof is not very compelling, especially considering how large and diverse the US is compared to these other countries. You can tell me about per-capita if you want, I assure you I know how to interpret statistics. I am not sure you are able, but the per-capita rate does not account for the disparities in different classes, cultures, religions, races, etc that lead to higher crime rates which would lead to a greater need for gun ownership for self defense.

Lets discuss the rate of rapes in Europe one year from now (2016 stats) and compare it to the US rates shall we? Its easy to claim superiority when the wave of destruction is just starting to crash against you and you have nothing to defend yourselves with. The current crime rates are not reflected in years old statistics. Just because Europe enjoyed a short period of superior quality of life doesn't mean you are guaranteed that future, and marxists and socialists such as yourself will ensure Europe's speedy decline.

Age of majority is 18yo in Denmark. This means her parents or caretaker is responsible. Given that the only evidence is 'words', I doubt there can be any case whatsoever.

Hum... I didn't say anything about Australia because... You know... It's not in Europe and you were just spitting on European legislation. I can find my own sources thanks but this site was on the first results and as you gave it once I thought it would be easier for you to admit your wrong. Seems it will not.

And yes let's ignore the fact that only 2 of the 28 EU countries have higher rape rate  which means that 26 of 28 countries have a lower one.... What do you need to see that 26 > 2 ?

BTW, funny how when it's you, it's fact, when it's me, it's opinion no?

Fining victim for fighting off sexual attacker ‘is mad’

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/330474-denmark-pepper-spray-law-assault/

Yes, lets just ignore the fact that Sweden, Belgium, and Australia all have higher rates of rape in spite of having smaller populations and much stricter gun control laws or outright bans on gun ownership. I love that you still can't find your own sources as well and are still parroting the very statistics site I sourced to you previously when I attempted to debate gun control with you as you spouted your opinions over and over as if they were fact. BTW don't expect those rape stats to stay low for most of Europe this year and many following.

Good question.

A municipal fine can result in jail time after a dozen of years of non paying. Which is different from being arrested. That's all I wanted to say.

I totally agree on the use. It shouldn't be used without a very good reason and any use of a paper spray can be considered as an agression. But as a paper spray has no lethal possible use and only very marginal dangers it should be allowed to citizens. It's just a question of where you put the limit and I would put it on instruments that are proved lethal.

A municipal fine certainly can result in jail, for example if it is not paid. 

Pepper spray has it's own unique attributes and dangers, for example if it is used inside a closed environment such as a car or bus.

At least to that extent, there are cases where using pepper spray should result in a fine.

She was not arrested, she might maybe perhaps get a fine.
Police has nothing to do with that. What's stupid is that law forbidding to own a perfectly non lethal defense equipment.

I'm the first one to defend gun control policy. No citizen should own something lethal, but pepper spray will cause nothing more than a huge headache and crying like a baby! Why not allowing citizens to own one??? I'm pretty much sure it's even better than just fighting bare hands!

Having the right to own guns doesn't really make anything against rapes you know? Otherwise USA wouldn't have a higher rape rate than most UE countries (except for Belgium and Sweden).
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

It's always a question of pros and cons. And seeing the violent crimes in countries with right to own guns, and those with guns control, I know where my choice is.

this is just stupid!!! how a 17yo girl who protected herself from a sex attacker then gets arrested? i dont know how police work works in other countries, but this is plain stupid.

Allowing people to defend themselves would be madness, but allowing your wives, mothers, daughters, and sisters to be raped then executing the attacker isn't? Funny, aren't these things Europeans have been criticizing Americans about for years (ie the death penalty)?