Topic: 2 x Denarium Wallet (Read 326 times)

Those big red warnings in your original pics have saved me a couple of times from sending people BTC when I won an auction. (Denarium and BTCC come to mind) but that doesnt help when the original user IS a newbie

Im still a new user, but I have already been phished once and seen a few of these scams along with one to pay for a coin I didnt even win.

Be careful, this board is full of scammers (obviously they rarely post, they just DM) but its also full of genuinely good users that want to share their passion for collectibles and are happy to help new users in any way they can.

edit: That said, I reset my password recently (just noticed when checking my trust) so its not a smoking gun of fraud, It could also be a sign of forgetful/drunk users

Thank you. I've been trying to be careful not to give the impression that I am accusing Fuxl of being the scammer himself. I will admit I got defensive when he mentioned over email that he thinks I could be the scammer. It is my theory as well that his account was compromised and that the scammer was playing us both. I mean him no ill will, I just felt frustrated that I'm the one that has to bear the burden of the scam as I'm out the funds yet he still possesses the coins. Some community members have since reached out to me with offers to help and I am very grateful for all of you. Thank you to those of you who are supportive and work hard to keep this community safe for all.

I had transacted with Fuxl in the past successfully so I reached out yesterday to ask what's going on.  I'm posting his response here since he said he will never again log into the forum.  Really sorry this happened to you.  I'm thinking the buyer was impersonated, and Fuxl sent the funds to the scammer's account.   


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It seems the scammer that accessed his account changed both his password and his email address. He also says "Hey, i can't get into that forum cause i didn't put a Btc address there. Only with that i can recover it. ". In my last email to him, I asked him to use his alternate account "HighlandFuxl" to tell his side of the story here. That's the account he used to contact me when he realized he was locked out of his primary account. Sadly though, that won't solve the problem of obtaining more details on the message he says he receievd asking for a refund.

Why can’t he access his account? Doesn’t make any sense. Also, good luck getting the attention of a forum admin.

Yes, I agree. I've been asking him repeatedly to send more details on what account sent him that request. Sadly he says he has no way to access the account any longer. Not sure if the forum admins can assist him with that.

I would request a screenshot of the message he allegedly received from your account. If you can without doubt substantiate that the message did not come from your Bitcointalk account, then yeah; he's at fault, without question.

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Here is my latest chain of communications with Fuxl based on an email address another forum member kindly shared with me.

Anyone feel free to let me know if I'm in the wrong here, or if my theory shared below is incorrect on how someone may have been able to spoof my account. I still believe the fault lies with fuxl. To the best of my knowledge, my account was never compromised and I maintained full control of it throughout this incident.

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You're welcome ! Yes currently the post is slow, yet I send everything in priority, in a few days it should be good 

hahahah he still has a way then! 

Thank you sir! I'm still waiting for my Moon Pass to come in the mail. He's not getting that one though until he can manage to beat me in an arm wrestling match. Hopefully by then he'll be old enough to appreciate it!

ouch ouch ouch, really sorry for you dude, after it's a lesson it happens, you have to be careful all the same with the newbis, of course without all the generalized in scammer, but indeed it is better to use an escrow in certain situations.

and of course a happy birthday to your son, a young hodler!

Thank you. I appreciate it. I, much too often, seem to learn the hard way.

My son turned 11 yesterday. I was super proud of him when he accepted my offer to receive his birthday present from me in Bitcoin. I offered him a certain amount in USD, or double that USD amount in Bitcoin. Basically forced HODLing as he doesn't know how to spend BTC yet . He loves his Ballet cold storage wallet!

Very sorry this happened to you. I got scammed out of $1000+ early on. Now, I’m super paranoid. Don’t beat yourself up too much. The best lessons are hard learned.

Happy birthday to your son!

Fair point. I didn't quite know how to price it since I rarely ever see the 2019 special edition coins come up for sale and I let FOMO get the best of me.

He was already robbing you when he got the deal for 0.025 btc (way overpriced in my opinion) but alas greed has no limits. Even more so when he tried to scam you for additional 2 coins. Lesson for all of us is to look at a person's trust to see if he actually sold to others previously without escrow.

Very true. Lesson learned.

Fuxl still refuses to respond to any emails I've sent to the email address he communicated to me from"his" alternate account. I asked him to present any evidence of his claim that I'm the scammer. I firmly believe that he either wittingly or unwittingly sent my funds to someone else and it is him that should absorb this loss, not I.

It's too late now, but using escrow would have been better, especially when dealing with someone with no rep.

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Hello everyone. I'm quite certain that I have been scammed here. I really don't know what to do about it, or how to prove that I'm not the scammer. I've worked hard to build up my reputation on this forum and I don't want it to be destroyed over this. Here is what happened:

Earlier this morning U.S. CT, I made a deal with Fuxl to purchase the two coins mentioned in this thread for .0255 BTC. I promptly sent payment to the address he specified (transaction ID: bf217e203f8bbbacac392749f72e707d16ef0f748a779e05b85afdb5ec92f9b3), and communicated the shipping address to him. All seemed well until very shortly later I started getting weird messages from Fuxl telling me that he has two more coins for me if I wanted them and that I should send payment to 1FkBW5GqH4P8H9Y8eR3qE8FSbLuKRSRA2Z.

He seemed aghast when I asked for photos of the coins with my username printed on a piece of paper next to them. He then kept reiterating that if I wanted the coins I should sent payment to that address. Simultaneously I started getting messages from Fuxl telling me that he had sent my funds back and that I can pay him again tomorrow at an entirely different address than the one I initially sent payment to. I replied back confused as I had never asked for a refund, nor had I received any funds back.  He then replied apologizing that he had been confused talking to another member and to ignore those messages. He then kept insisting that I send an additional .025 BTC if I wanted the two additional Denarium coins, yet he couldn't tell me what their serial numbers were, what kind of Denariums they were (regular or special edition), and seemed to not have a clue what a Special Edition 2019 Denarium is with a red "B" on the front. Alarm bells were ringing in my head. I again asked for pictures of the coins and did not send any additional payments.

Around this time, I notice that Fuxl's profile indicated that the email address had recently been changed, so now I was very suspicious. Shortly after, I got a message from a brand-new account, HighlandFuxl, telling me that he had been locked out of his account and to confirm my shipping address again. It was then clear to me that Fuxl's account had been compromised. We then began communicating over email (as his new account was restricted on sending messages) and he told me that he had had received my initial payment, but then sent the money back to me on transaction ID f8a6454fb5d8ec1f456dc45faf84b813c4ae780282f5bbc34c56afa95b5ff5f9. Note that ID shows a payment to 1FkBW5GqH4P8H9Y8eR3qE8FSbLuKRSRA2Z, the very same address I was being asked to send payment for two "additional" Denariums. When I asked why he had sent money back, he said that he recieved a message from "me" asking for my money back. He said, "Then there was a message from your account that you need the money back. You said that you'll send it on Sunday cause there is something urgent and you need the coins."

I NEVER sent any message saying that.

At this point, I surmised that someone must have hacked into Fuxl's account, and started impersonating him. I don't know how they were able to send a message impersonating my account (I never lost access to my account and have an extremely complex password. I have since changed it again for safety). I think they then got him to believe that I was asking for a refund so he sent my funds to the actual scammer. Now, I'm out my funds and he's gone dark on email telling me, "Hey, i smell something. Even your Screenshots show a wrong Account from me. I haven't had 2/1/0 at Trust section. I had 0/1/0.... From buying things end escrow sendings without any Trust ratings I'm out completely. I think you wanna scam me maybe. I will not get back and i will not do anything on Bitcointalk anymore. This forum is fucked up."

Today was my son's birthday and I was trying to enjoy it. Now I feel so sick I might vomit. I know his account is a newbie account but he had good trust ratings listed from yogg and bitcoiner24. If you look at my account you'll see that I've done many deals with some of the most trustworthy users on this forum (though many have not reciprocated with any feedback). I really don't know what to do here to prove my case or if anything can be done even if I could. It seems that I sent a payment to a member in good faith, he got scammed and sent my funds to a scammer less than 30 minutes after receiving them, and is now accusing me of being the scammer.

PM sent!