Topic: 200k btc,big move,2014-03-07 (Read 6561 times)

Any new news about these Bitcoins? can any one confirm that MTGox loaded its' online wallet/s / hot storage?

Now im sure about mtgox bastards

paper wallets weigh something br0 and so do usb sticks go back 2 skewl.

24lbs of gold.

unless he is moving these wallets as part of the Japanese investigation...ie liquidate them to fiat asap or we throw your ass in jail..ie show us
you can revover from bankruptcy....

my question is if gox approaches a guy with mtgox account coins of 100million in gox NOW and says the only way we can get your coins

out in the real world is for you to use them to buy in to a revived mtgox exchange with the perm of the Japanese regulators.....well what would you do?

anyway I know zip just speculating that some may have the option to buy into the new gox with their trapped gox coins or lump it

Searing

just checked my paper wallets, they're 200k bitcoin fatter.... i wish

"Please follow the tree https://blockchain.info/tree/114688199 and add more to the thread as you find them."


Outstanding, and I will be exploring those tracks!

Here the layer says "ALMOST ALL LOST"... : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqlZI-PMCAI

So, with almost, she meant 850.000 - 200.000...

Possible ...

Best regards,
ilpirata79

IMO he would prove how stupid he was if he tried that. He has to know its being closely watched.

I have made a thread listing what should be some of the end addresses in this proposed Gox-hot-wallet splitting sequence.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/what-could-be-the-first-end-results-of-gox-btc-splitting-code-in-action-505989

Please follow the tree https://blockchain.info/tree/114688199 and add more to the thread as you find them.

For the theory that the leaked code is the true Gox code and that this is the code in action right now to hold (for the time being at least) there should be no movement from these addresses (all addresses with under 10BTC at each) unless it is initiated by a new process (withdrawals, transfers to tumblers, etc.).

I think it is very useful to have an exhaustive list of these addresses so all work to add to the list is extremely beneficial and helps to compile evidence.

I'm off to bed. Goodnight!

Good points, I wanted to highlight this.  Because, the bots were trading right up to the end.  I think what is unsettling to me, is that weaponized code, has now been leaked to the whole botworld.

As we know, essentially all trading markets on Earth are dominated indeed frontrun by robot traders.  So, how do they think and act?  Like, the botnets that insert cryptominer code.  I suppose what I am saying is that virushunting has now merged with cryptography and money systems at an epic level.  The new kind of bot, sits and hums, waiting for orders, disposes of self after theft and xfer of BTC, etc

The releasing of the Gox code was to me, a bit deal.  And I am very worried about the Goxxies identities in terms of what actors now have that data?  Truly a fumble of great potential.  And the refs are not even gonna review it, the game goes on.

Oh, sure, my first statement is speculation on my part.  (I thought you were saying that there was an official statement from Gox saying that they lost all the coins - sorry if I misunderstood.)

But the way in which the coins are being moved is very specific.  What we know is that these coins are being moved in a way that is consistent with the way the PHP code that purports to be the leaked Mt Gox code would automatically move coins.  That much is pretty much indisputable.  So the possibilities are:

1. 200,000 coins have been loaded into the Gox hot wallet, or
2. Someone with access to 200,000 coins (the thief?) is making it look like 200,000 coins have been loaded into the Gox hot wallet, or
3. The leaked code is a fake, so the movement of the coins being consistent with the way the leaked code would move them proves nothing, and this transaction is somehow unrelated to Gox (or at least it doesn't mean what it appears to mean)

I haven't looked at it, but other people have found past evidence on the blockchain that confirms that this really is how the Gox hot wallet works.  (3) sounded pretty implausible anyway, but I'm willing to discount it pretty much completely based on this evidence.

So this leaves us with (1) and (2).  There was some discussion on reddit as to which of (1) or (2) were the case, but gmaxwell claims to have found evidence via the Gox API (which is apparently still live) that strongly suggests (1) is the case.  I haven't looked at this evidence but I'm inclined to trust gmaxewell's evaluation of the evidence.

So, based on the above (and always remembering that this may be out-of-date as I write it, and certainly as you read it): what we very strongly believe, right now (although of course can't say with 100% certainty) is that someone has loaded 200,000 coins into the Gox hot wallet.

Yes, we don't know who, how, what or why.  So yes, the rest is speculation on my part.  (But if anyone has a more plausible explanation as to how or why someone has loaded 200,000 coins into the Gox hot wallet I'm all ears.)

1. "No, it would appear that these are the remaining 200,000 coins that Gox has left..."

2. "The official line, in the legal documents filing for bankruptcy, says nothing about how many coins they have left..."

That's why I said "exactly". Your second statement backs up my assertion that your first statement is not based on any official information.

If this were the TV show CSI

could we say the crime scene has been despoiled?

I'am sort of suprised of so much coins held (deposited) by mtgox considering trading volume.

"Exactly" what?  I'm saying I don't recall any of the official statements actually saying that they've lost all the coins.  If you have a reference to such an official statement I'd be interested.

Exactly

Yes, and they cannot discuss the "losing" details, I would guess due to other control vectors.  Because, if you get mugged, you can give an account of it "He came up behind me!" or "He told me the money was to buy a chicken farm!"

But in this case the answer is "stolen and we can't say more than that."  Because lawyers.

The official line, in the legal documents filing for bankruptcy, says nothing about how many coins they have left, only how many they lost.

Because that's what the hot wallet code does.  We know this because the PHP code has been leaked.  There was some discussion as to whether this was really the Gox hot wallet, or a thief (who has read the leaked code) deliberately faking it to look like the Gox wallet.  But Greg Maxwell pretty much conclusively confirmed it using the Gox API.

See the links I posted above.