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Topic: 2013-11-14 NY regulator considers bitcoin regulation license (Read 4012 times)

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Internal Revenue Service (IRS)  United States Federal Tax Authority.  They have not yet ruled on taxation of bitcoin.

Many of US States have taxes for State programs.  The IRS is the tax authority for the nation.  So a US Citizen may pay taxes to local authority, a State Authority and a Federal Authority.

Thanks again,
it reminds me of Taxation in Switzerland:just the same 3 Authorities
local (Gemeinde/Stadt),state(e.g.Graubuenden/Engadin) and Bund
legendary
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Oh and here we go with the strict regulators of newyork. I think they wouldn't be able to stop it of course but they might make it illegal to just send btc's without a licence. I think we should wait and see.

No, now they realise they can't stop it they want to do the next best thing, take a cut. The elite ticket clippers always use 'licenses' to get their skim up front.
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Oh and here we go with the strict regulators of newyork. I think they wouldn't be able to stop it of course but they might make it illegal to just send btc's without a licence. I think we should wait and see.
BCB
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Internal Revenue Service (IRS)  United States Federal Tax Authority.  They have not yet ruled on taxation of bitcoin.

Many of US States have taxes for State programs.  The IRS is the tax authority for the nation.  So a US Citizen may pay taxes to local authority, a State Authority and a Federal Authority.

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State Regulators are usually concerned with Safety and Soundness and consumer protection.

Currently to operate as an "issuer" (miner) or an "exchanger" as a business in New York State you are required to have a net worth of over $1 million USD, you have to post a bond of $500,000.00 and a dollar for dollar capital requirement for any consumer funds you have at risk.

NY State seemed to suggest that they are looking to lower these requirement for virtual currrecy start ups that are operating under smaller volumes.

I don't believe they will be discussing taxes but that is also a concern.

Look for the IRS to rule on Taxes by this summer as well.

The GAO and The National Taxpayer advocate have both requested guidance from the IRS.

MSP #24
http://www.taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/userfiles/file/2013-Annual-Report-to-Congress-Executive-Summary.pdf

http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/654620.pdf

Here is a short video interview with the guy from the GAO
http://video.pbs.org/viralplayer/2365095653
since I am german I have to thank you for your Explanation. But what is IRS exactly,please
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 ... because the NY financial regulators have done such a stellar job with the criminals infesting Wall St.  Roll Eyes

... keep smoking that delusion pipe, it seems to be working for you.
BCB
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State Regulators are usually concerned with Safety and Soundness and consumer protection.

Currently to operate as an "issuer" (miner) or an "exchanger" as a business in New York State you are required to have a net worth of over $1 million USD, you have to post a bond of $500,000.00 and a dollar for dollar capital requirement for any consumer funds you have at risk.

NY State seemed to suggest that they are looking to lower these requirement for virtual currrecy start ups that are operating under smaller volumes.

I don't believe they will be discussing taxes but that is also a concern.

Look for the IRS to rule on Taxes by this summer as well.

The GAO and The National Taxpayer advocate have both requested guidance from the IRS.

MSP #24
http://www.taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/userfiles/file/2013-Annual-Report-to-Congress-Executive-Summary.pdf

http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/654620.pdf

Here is a short video interview with the guy from the GAO
http://video.pbs.org/viralplayer/2365095653
legendary
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Interesting to note that since this was published, bitcoin uptake has been higher in New York state than pretty much anywhere else. If you use coinmap.org as a rough guide, at least.
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New York State Department Of Finances is a Regulator.  They make rules and regulation based on the existing law.
New York State Banking Law
http://goo.gl/KF4R8n
If, based on the hearings, the Regulator decides to issue additional "guidance" as FinCEN did, or new regulations it could go into effect in 60 to 90 days.
They seem to be acting on this pretty quickly.  He issued the notice in November.  The hearings are in January.  I'd expect to hear of:
1. new guidance or
2. news of additional hearings
by June.
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but anyway those regulations are State Regulation and not federal regulations , right ?
What kind of regs do you expect ?
 I suppose  Kind of tax-regs.
BCB
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New York State Department Of Finances is a Regulator.  They make rules and regulation based on the existing law.

New York State Banking Law
http://goo.gl/KF4R8n

If, based on the hearings, the Regulator decides to issue additional "guidance" as FinCEN did, or new regulations it could go into effect in 60 to 90 days.

They seem to be acting on this pretty quickly.  He issued the notice in November.  The hearings are in January.  I'd expect to hear of:
1. new guidance or
2. news of additional hearings

by June.



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If New York State creates a BitLicense it would only be applicable to business that server New York State citizens.  The business would still have to be registered with FinCEN and comply with all Anti-Money Laundering (AML), Know Your Customer(KYC) and Customer Identification Programs (CIP).  
thanks for this clarification. but it is only a Hearing and no legal steps will be taken.
Legal steps take a  Long time to be taken and finally executed.
BCB
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If New York State creates a BitLicense it would only be applicable to business that server New York State citizens.  The business would still have to be registered with FinCEN and comply with all Anti-Money Laundering (AML), Know Your Customer(KYC) and Customer Identification Programs (CIP).   
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So, are they planning to make a license for USING digital currencies...
or for running an exchange or similar service DEALING IN digital currencies.

If its the first, I'll be flabbergasted at their stupidity.
If its the second, I'll actually be pretty happy. Currently, exchangers need a money transmitter license. A more specialized license could potentially actually help Bitcoin.

If they are thinking of making it easier that would be great... but only time will tell, and how would they do that anyway?
Can they Bypass federal regulations?
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NYDFS also believes that it is in the long-term interest of the virtual currency industry to ...

This is disingenuous. It seems to me that the virtual currency industry is able to decide what is in its best interest. It doesn't need some regulators to tell it. The truth is that the NYDFS believes that it is in their best interest ...

Agreed, we do have network consensus for a reason.
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So, are they planning to make a license for USING digital currencies...
or for running an exchange or similar service DEALING IN digital currencies.

If its the first, I'll be flabbergasted at their stupidity.
If its the second, I'll actually be pretty happy. Currently, exchangers need a money transmitter license. A more specialized license could potentially actually help Bitcoin.
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A state can make any law , but if you cant enforce them who CARES!!!
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Cue Bitcoin's exodus from New York State.

Yeah, it's going to suck for people in New York.

I recommend the people to leave, too  Cheesy

They sure are trying to drive out all entrepreneurs as fast as possible, the collectivist slavemasters there absolutely cannot stand any hint of self-determination or privately-owned property within their tax farm.  Bitcoin is just one example among several:

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But the company is also embroiled in a legal fight with the New York attorney general, who is concerned that some landlords are abusing the service and renting their properties illegally.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/11/15/heres-why-airbnb-isnt-worried-about-new-york-citys-crackdown/



Well, the so called conspiracy theorists are proving to have called it correctly, next thing you know Obama and Biden will be metamorphosing into reptilians with cloven hooves  Cheesy.

It turns out that we really are treading on the toes of the biggest, longest enduring and possibly the most ruthless cartel in recent history. They're pretty pissed off about this, don't think you can make any mistake about it. The only really weakness of Bitcoin that can be easily exploited is the public transcation information in the blockchain, but there is more than one way to evolve around the problem.

We can mitigate for it with the various transaction obscuration tools (CoinJoin, CoinSwap, eventually CoinWitness), and there are other new advances in cryptography that can actually prevent this happening at all, by making the system totally anonymous (ZeroCoin being an imperfect attempt, there will be more).

In the end, the monetary paradigm has shifted, and short of turning the entire world into a totalitarian dictatorship or a dystopic warzone, there's nothing that the old currency cartels can do. Apart from wave goodbye, graciously. Bye-bye!
hero member
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Cue Bitcoin's exodus from New York State.

Yeah, it's going to suck for people in New York.

I recommend the people to leave, too  Cheesy

They sure are trying to drive out all entrepreneurs as fast as possible, the collectivist slavemasters there absolutely cannot stand any hint of self-determination or privately-owned property within their tax farm.  Bitcoin is just one example among several:

Quote
But the company is also embroiled in a legal fight with the New York attorney general, who is concerned that some landlords are abusing the service and renting their properties illegally.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/11/15/heres-why-airbnb-isnt-worried-about-new-york-citys-crackdown/

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Well the u.s.a will be the new 3rd word I gues...
Regulating bitcoin is as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR4e8zwnR6w
The blackhole will solve over regulation fast Smiley
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