Topic: 2013-12-11 Entrepreneur:Wall Street Will Put 'Hundreds of Millions' Into Bitcoin - page 2. (Read 4918 times)
December 12, 2013, 12:23:10 PM
All this is why China does not want it's banks speculating on bitcoin. remember that when banks speculate they do it with other peoples money. When there is a crash and they are not properly hedged you may be the one holding the bag.
December 12, 2013, 12:16:32 PM
I suppose the price will definitely be manilpulated, but what will the price be? Will it be manipulated from $10,000 down to $8,000 or $100,000 to $75,000? I think those of us that have invested now won't really care too much then.
Unless they manipulate it to $100.. or $10... or $1
Why in the world would they want to do that? If the price was manipulated that low then everyone would lose their trust in BTC. Do people on Wall Street really want to see the market totally crash? Sure they want to manipulate it a bit to make some profits but in reality they would never want to cause it to crash to those levels.
no, it will depend on what they think they can achieve. Bitccoin has a fragile demand, they will shake the tree with a lot of strenght, big crashes and volatility coming. That should deifnitely retard the adoption.
December 12, 2013, 11:35:15 AM
I suppose the price will definitely be manilpulated, but what will the price be? Will it be manipulated from $10,000 down to $8,000 or $100,000 to $75,000? I think those of us that have invested now won't really care too much then.
Unless they manipulate it to $100.. or $10... or $1
Why in the world would they want to do that? If the price was manipulated that low then everyone would lose their trust in BTC. Do people on Wall Street really want to see the market totally crash? Sure they want to manipulate it a bit to make some profits but in reality they would never want to cause it to crash to those levels.
That's a pretty good point! Didn't think of that somehow
December 12, 2013, 11:33:58 AM
I suppose the price will definitely be manilpulated, but what will the price be? Will it be manipulated from $10,000 down to $8,000 or $100,000 to $75,000? I think those of us that have invested now won't really care too much then.
Unless they manipulate it to $100.. or $10... or $1
Why in the world would they want to do that? If the price was manipulated that low then everyone would lose their trust in BTC. Do people on Wall Street really want to see the market totally crash? Sure they want to manipulate it a bit to make some profits but in reality they would never want to cause it to crash to those levels.
December 12, 2013, 10:50:02 AM
Wall street has the smartest people on earth working at those companies. I know it's hard to believe given how stupid they have behaved at times.. but they hire the absolute top from places like MIT and Harvard.
It's hard to think that we could even imagine the schemes they might cook up (good or bad schemes I guess).
But overall speaking I'm betting it's a good thing ($/BTC -wise) the more wall street gets involved.
And like another said above, it's necessary for BTC to advance for it to get widespread and common-place investment options.
Let's face it - not that many average Joes are going to be interested in holding a chunk of their investment in some online thing called a wallet or some 'paper money' thing that they have to encrypt and store offline for max security..
They'll prefer someone else to worry about all that and just offer them an insured investment option (i.e. if you buy the Bitcoin fund from the Winkelvosses and they get hacked for a few BTC, their investors can feel secure... they can sue them if they want even, etc. etc. etc. May not totally safe but they'll feel safer doing it that way).
It's hard to think that we could even imagine the schemes they might cook up (good or bad schemes I guess).
But overall speaking I'm betting it's a good thing ($/BTC -wise) the more wall street gets involved.
And like another said above, it's necessary for BTC to advance for it to get widespread and common-place investment options.
Let's face it - not that many average Joes are going to be interested in holding a chunk of their investment in some online thing called a wallet or some 'paper money' thing that they have to encrypt and store offline for max security..
They'll prefer someone else to worry about all that and just offer them an insured investment option (i.e. if you buy the Bitcoin fund from the Winkelvosses and they get hacked for a few BTC, their investors can feel secure... they can sue them if they want even, etc. etc. etc. May not totally safe but they'll feel safer doing it that way).
December 12, 2013, 10:46:16 AM
I suppose the price will definitely be manilpulated, but what will the price be? Will it be manipulated from $10,000 down to $8,000 or $100,000 to $75,000? I think those of us that have invested now won't really care too much then.
Unless they manipulate it to $100.. or $10... or $1
December 12, 2013, 10:40:02 AM
It's all to play for
Seriously, it's a no brainer that wall street is gonna come in soon, expect a deep deriv market to evolve as they do
Seriously, it's a no brainer that wall street is gonna come in soon, expect a deep deriv market to evolve as they do
What do you mean by deep deriv?
That means wall street will spearhead pump-and-dump schemes and scams that will make Pirate and other notorious Bitcoin criminals look like saints in comparison.
LOL i couldn't agree more.
We should already be getting used to it by now anyways.
I suppose the price will definitely be manilpulated, but what will the price be? Will it be manipulated from $10,000 down to $8,000 or $100,000 to $75,000? I think those of us that have invested now won't really care too much then.
December 12, 2013, 09:39:25 AM
It's all to play for
Seriously, it's a no brainer that wall street is gonna come in soon, expect a deep deriv market to evolve as they do
Seriously, it's a no brainer that wall street is gonna come in soon, expect a deep deriv market to evolve as they do
What do you mean by deep deriv?
That means wall street will spearhead pump-and-dump schemes and scams that will make Pirate and other notorious Bitcoin criminals look like saints in comparison.
LOL i couldn't agree more.
December 12, 2013, 09:36:35 AM
at this point, hundreds of millions isn't even that much, but it could have a huge impact.. at least on speculation.
Hundreds of millions of dollars of liquidity pumped into the main exchanges would have a huge impact on price. Don't forget the price at exchanges is *only* the price of people buying and selling bitcoins. A tiny proportion of the 12M bitcoins in circulation.
Exactly. Prices are set at the margin.
At about 3600 new bitcoins per day (6*24 * 25) at ~$1000 per bitcoin that is $3.6 million of new supply per day IF all miners sell it all (unlikely in the extreme). At hundreds of millions that is all of the supply for maybe 3 months, even spread out over a full year, that is a huge percentage of any new supply. This is assuming the price doesn't change which is also very unlikely.
If this is ends up being accurate, it will be big news.
December 12, 2013, 09:21:41 AM
at this point, hundreds of millions isn't even that much, but it could have a huge impact.. at least on speculation.
Hundreds of millions of dollars of liquidity pumped into the main exchanges would have a huge impact on price. Don't forget the price at exchanges is *only* the price of people buying and selling bitcoins. A tiny proportion of the 12M bitcoins in circulation.
December 12, 2013, 08:19:46 AM
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How long till the winklevoss twin's ETF is up & running, so I can get my 401k involved?
How long till the winklevoss twin's ETF is up & running, so I can get my 401k involved?
Fidelity has just begun offering IRA investment in Second Market's fund (as of today).
Word on the street is that JP Morgan already has plans to package 'sub-prime' red/black-listed bitcoins into lucractive derivatives.
December 12, 2013, 07:59:07 AM
if advancement of bitcoin is desired it is the only way...
one day bitcoin will be seen as a driver for the computer industry...
just my 2 cents
one day bitcoin will be seen as a driver for the computer industry...
just my 2 cents
December 12, 2013, 07:51:05 AM
It's all to play for
Seriously, it's a no brainer that wall street is gonna come in soon, expect a deep deriv market to evolve as they do
Seriously, it's a no brainer that wall street is gonna come in soon, expect a deep deriv market to evolve as they do
What do you mean by deep deriv?
Derivatives markets. Futures, calls, puts, etc. Options
Bitcoinica 2.0 corporate style.
How long till the winklevoss twin's ETF is up & running, so I can get my 401k involved?
December 12, 2013, 07:31:38 AM
It's all to play for
Seriously, it's a no brainer that wall street is gonna come in soon, expect a deep deriv market to evolve as they do
Seriously, it's a no brainer that wall street is gonna come in soon, expect a deep deriv market to evolve as they do
What do you mean by deep deriv?
That means wall street will spearhead pump-and-dump schemes and scams that will make Pirate and other notorious Bitcoin criminals look like saints in comparison.
December 12, 2013, 02:51:14 AM
It's all to play for
Seriously, it's a no brainer that wall street is gonna come in soon, expect a deep deriv market to evolve as they do
Seriously, it's a no brainer that wall street is gonna come in soon, expect a deep deriv market to evolve as they do
What do you mean by deep deriv?
December 12, 2013, 02:47:31 AM
It's all to play for
Seriously, it's a no brainer that wall street is gonna come in soon, expect a deep deriv market to evolve as they do
Seriously, it's a no brainer that wall street is gonna come in soon, expect a deep deriv market to evolve as they do
December 11, 2013, 06:26:55 PM
hundreds of millions is still small compared to wall street. so this has to be just the first wave if inverstors.
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@ cr1776
i think so. he meant 100 mio.
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@ cr1776
i think so. he meant 100 mio.
December 11, 2013, 06:26:10 PM
The article says:
I presume it should say $100 million? So $30 million more in 3 weeks?
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Speaking on Tuesday night at a private dinner for Bitcoin cognoscenti in New York, Silbert said he was astonished by the BIT's performance. "We launched six weeks ago and we're up to $70 million. That blows my mind. We were hoping to get to $10 million by the end of the year."
I presume it should say $100 million? So $30 million more in 3 weeks?
December 11, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
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Although right now Silbert is happy to see Bitcoin performing above his expectations, in the near term "the price volatility is only going to get worse," he says. "We haven't seen anything yet."
He added, "Once Wall Street starts putting money into Bitcoin -- we're talking about hundreds of millions, billions of dollars moving in -- it's going to have a pretty dramatic effect on the price."
He added, "Once Wall Street starts putting money into Bitcoin -- we're talking about hundreds of millions, billions of dollars moving in -- it's going to have a pretty dramatic effect on the price."
buckle up ... the rodeo is coming to town.
I am not entirely convinced volatility will be worse. The past two crashes did not fall as far as the 2011 crash. Of course there will be some ups and downs. I am excited to see what happens next year regardless of the bumps in the road!
December 11, 2013, 05:53:41 PM
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Although right now Silbert is happy to see Bitcoin performing above his expectations, in the near term "the price volatility is only going to get worse," he says. "We haven't seen anything yet."
He added, "Once Wall Street starts putting money into Bitcoin -- we're talking about hundreds of millions, billions of dollars moving in -- it's going to have a pretty dramatic effect on the price."
He added, "Once Wall Street starts putting money into Bitcoin -- we're talking about hundreds of millions, billions of dollars moving in -- it's going to have a pretty dramatic effect on the price."
buckle up ... the rodeo is coming to town.
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