[2013-12-15] CoinDesk: Barclays Bank Takes Deposits For New UK BTC Exchange

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Quote from: empoweoqwj on December 16, 2013, 07:17:34 AM

You get the original thread right? It was about bank taking deposits? Daily traders are completely irrelevant to how much is being wired into or out of exchange. Capiche?

Anyway I don't want to get too deep in to this. What I wanted to say is that the 10K+ transactions by a few dozen British citizens might not add that much of workload to the Barclays.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 16, 2013, 06:51:41 AM

Quote from: empoweoqwj on December 16, 2013, 01:06:13 AM

What is your point? We were talking about banks taking on bitcoin "exchanges" as customers. Several have been closed already. Fact.

How on earth do you know how many $10K deposits are made at BTC-E or MtGox? You can't possibly know that from watching "trading". The two are completely separate, you do realise that don't you?

I was talking about the average trade volume. To cross the 10K mark, one should trade ~11 BTCs. I was talking about normal people (not day-traders) who purchase all their BTCs in a single trade.

And there are only around 60,000 people who own more than 10 BTCs.

You get the original thread right? It was about bank taking deposits? Daily traders are completely irrelevant to how much is being wired into or out of exchange. Capiche?

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Quote from: empoweoqwj on December 16, 2013, 01:06:13 AM

What is your point? We were talking about banks taking on bitcoin "exchanges" as customers. Several have been closed already. Fact.

How on earth do you know how many $10K deposits are made at BTC-E or MtGox? You can't possibly know that from watching "trading". The two are completely separate, you do realise that don't you?

I was talking about the average trade volume. To cross the 10K mark, one should trade ~11 BTCs. I was talking about normal people (not day-traders) who purchase all their BTCs in a single trade.

And there are only around 60,000 people who own more than 10 BTCs.

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Those titles on Coin desk are sometimes annoying.

From the article:
"“Bit121 do not bank with Barclays. Rather, they use a payment service provider who does. I am thus unable to help you with this as Bit121 is not our client.”"

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 16, 2013, 12:57:19 AM

Quote from: empoweoqwj on December 16, 2013, 12:54:22 AM

$10K normally. And that doesn't have to be for one transaction. It can be cumulative over several days.

Even normal wires are checked. Details of account holder name etc. Nothing is "fully automated"

I have watched the transaction in BTC-E and Mt Gox. Trades over $10 K are not frequent, but also not that rare.

What is your point? We were talking about banks taking on bitcoin "exchanges" as customers. Several have been closed already. Fact.

How on earth do you know how many $10K deposits are made at BTC-E or MtGox? You can't possibly know that from watching "trading". The two are completely separate, you do realise that don't you?

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Quote from: empoweoqwj on December 16, 2013, 12:54:22 AM

$10K normally. And that doesn't have to be for one transaction. It can be cumulative over several days.

Even normal wires are checked. Details of account holder name etc. Nothing is "fully automated"

I have watched the transaction in BTC-E and Mt Gox. Trades over $10 K are not frequent, but also not that rare.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 15, 2013, 11:50:43 PM

Quote from: empoweoqwj on December 15, 2013, 11:42:17 PM

No its not all automated. Every transaction is checked for fraud. Every transaction over a certain size is double-checked for fraud and money laundering.

What will be the limit for that? I don't think that transactions of such volume occurs very frequently with Bitcoin exchanges.

$10K normally. And that doesn't have to be for one transaction. It can be cumulative over several days.

Even normal wires are checked. Details of account holder name etc. Nothing is "fully automated"

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I believe Barclays do want to capture profits from Bitcoin activities, but do not want to be directly linked to a Bitcoin exchange. The new may not inspire too much confidence, but it is actually a small step forward.

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Quote from: empoweoqwj on December 15, 2013, 11:42:17 PM

No its not all automated. Every transaction is checked for fraud. Every transaction over a certain size is double-checked for fraud and money laundering.

What will be the limit for that? I don't think that transactions of such volume occurs very frequently with Bitcoin exchanges.

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Quote from: Inedible on December 15, 2013, 11:37:47 PM

Can someone explain what manual work is required for staff to do?

Isn't it all numbers in a database?

Coinbase takes all the risk - isn't it all automated?

No its not all automated. Every transaction is checked for fraud. Every transaction over a certain size is double-checked for fraud and money laundering.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 15, 2013, 11:32:55 PM

Quote from: empoweoqwj on December 15, 2013, 11:09:06 PM

Several banks have backed out because of the sheer workload. Their staff just can't cope. I know they get their fees but they just don't have the staff numbers to do the actual work involved.

I am still having my doubts. For example, the Barclays is having somewhere around 140,000 employees who work in regular shifts. How many of them might be needed to process BTC-related transactions? I don't think it will require more than a few dozen, even at peak time periods.

Bitcoin companies still deal with individual branches. They don't take over the entire Barclays operation. That is the bottle neck. The managers just don't need the hassle, put a call into head office, and get the account taken down. They don't need to give a reason even.

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Banks are the most traditional of business, they will be the last to accept bitcoins, which does not mean that bitcoins will be dying. By the time banks started to accept Bitcoins, I guess Bitcoin will be more or less in the mainstream, we do not need to care too much about what banks do.

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Can someone explain what manual work is required for staff to do?

Isn't it all numbers in a database?

Coinbase takes all the risk - isn't it all automated?

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Quote from: empoweoqwj on December 15, 2013, 11:09:06 PM

Several banks have backed out because of the sheer workload. Their staff just can't cope. I know they get their fees but they just don't have the staff numbers to do the actual work involved.

I am still having my doubts. For example, the Barclays is having somewhere around 140,000 employees who work in regular shifts. How many of them might be needed to process BTC-related transactions? I don't think it will require more than a few dozen, even at peak time periods.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 15, 2013, 10:10:01 PM

Quote from: empoweoqwj on December 15, 2013, 08:23:42 PM

Let's see how long it actually lasts. Sometimes banks are ok at first, and then close the account once they realize either (a) they don't like bitcoins or (b) the workload involved in processing all the transfers.

I don't think #2 will be a factor here, as normal fees are paid to the bank. However, # should be a concern, as other banks will use different kinds of pressure tactics to reverse this decision.

Several banks have backed out because of the sheer workload. Their staff just can't cope. I know they get their fees but they just don't have the staff numbers to do the actual work involved.

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Quote from: empoweoqwj on December 15, 2013, 08:23:42 PM

Let's see how long it actually lasts. Sometimes banks are ok at first, and then close the account once they realize either (a) they don't like bitcoins or (b) the workload involved in processing all the transfers.

I don't think #2 will be a factor here, as normal fees are paid to the bank. However, # should be a concern, as other banks will use different kinds of pressure tactics to reverse this decision.

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Let's see how long it actually lasts. Sometimes banks are ok at first, and then close the account once they realize either (a) they don't like bitcoins or (b) the workload involved in processing all the transfers.

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Thats amazing! I hope that other banks sees this and start offering this as a service.

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Barclays closed mtgox account long time ago, it's a shit bank (I am a customer, unfortunately).
I think they also blocked deposit to other exchanges but I am now 100% sure about this.

Quote from: indiemax on December 15, 2013, 01:50:02 PM

What the UK needs is a trading platform with the exchange,surely some guys must be trying to get one going

closest thing you can get now is bittylicious.com

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What the UK needs is a trading platform with the exchange,surely some guys must be trying to get one going

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