Topic: [2014-02-06] IBT: Is Bitcoin Legal or Not? Take it from Apple and Malwarebytes (Read 1745 times)
February 21, 2014, 08:13:35 PM
February 08, 2014, 10:59:11 AM
The irony of Apple in the 21st century is surely that they produced OSX from open source software with liberal licensing, then went on to make the most restrictive platform with it. Just ditch Apple, these days I'm quite proud that I could never afford to give them my money. Who wants software that's expensive and tells you what to do? It's not even that bug free any more.
I can proudly say I've never owned a single Apple device in my lifetime.
February 08, 2014, 10:50:59 AM
I call for government regulations of these private market places.
It is not right that corporations through the use of terms and conditions (and contract law) can circumvent peoples constitutional and human rights.
We need governments acting on behalf of the people to ensure that these so called 'walled gardens' do not become areas where private and undemocratic laws can flourish. Corporations must not be allowed to become more powerful than the people.
We do not need regulation to hinder the growth of these market places, we need regulation to ensure that everyone is treated fairly.
It is not right that corporations through the use of terms and conditions (and contract law) can circumvent peoples constitutional and human rights.
We need governments acting on behalf of the people to ensure that these so called 'walled gardens' do not become areas where private and undemocratic laws can flourish. Corporations must not be allowed to become more powerful than the people.
We do not need regulation to hinder the growth of these market places, we need regulation to ensure that everyone is treated fairly.
You have no constitutional right to set the terms of Apple's walled garden anymore than you have a "freedom of speech" to stand naked in my living room and scream obscenities in my face at two in the morning.
So how about .... you don't like the rules in Apple's private property you don't use it. Problem solved. If enough people agree with you it will hurt Apple's bottom line and Apple's shareholders will get pissed at Apple's management and demand changes. See all that without the need for you to use (indirect) violence to force others to do what you want them to.
+1984
These statists beg for more government and one day, if they're smart enough, they'll realize how govs don't bring much good to the table. And the little that is for good is offset multiple times by the means that are used to fund it. Free communities do good, not forced ones.
February 08, 2014, 12:52:44 AM
The irony of Apple in the 21st century is surely that they produced OSX from open source software with liberal licensing, then went on to make the most restrictive platform with it.
Here's another stalwart contender for "The irony of Apple" (in case you missed it):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/welcome-apple-seriously-451400
Apple is surviving just because of the biased US court judgments. Else Samsung would have sweeped the floor with them.
February 07, 2014, 09:29:17 PM
I call for government regulations of these private market places.
It is not right that corporations through the use of terms and conditions (and contract law) can circumvent peoples constitutional and human rights.
We need governments acting on behalf of the people to ensure that these so called 'walled gardens' do not become areas where private and undemocratic laws can flourish. Corporations must not be allowed to become more powerful than the people.
We do not need regulation to hinder the growth of these market places, we need regulation to ensure that everyone is treated fairly.
It is not right that corporations through the use of terms and conditions (and contract law) can circumvent peoples constitutional and human rights.
We need governments acting on behalf of the people to ensure that these so called 'walled gardens' do not become areas where private and undemocratic laws can flourish. Corporations must not be allowed to become more powerful than the people.
We do not need regulation to hinder the growth of these market places, we need regulation to ensure that everyone is treated fairly.
You have no constitutional right to set the terms of Apple's walled garden anymore than you have a "freedom of speech" to stand naked in my living room and scream obscenities in my face at two in the morning.
So how about .... if you don't like the rules in Apple's private property you don't use it. Problem solved and without the implicit threat of violence by the state against its citizens.
If enough people do the same thing, it will hurt Apple's bottom line and Apple's shareholders will get pissed at Apple's management and demand changes. Possibly leading to a more open Apple or at a minimum a smaller weaker Apple. See all that without the need for you to use (indirect) violence to force others to do what you want them to.
February 07, 2014, 09:24:20 PM
The irony of Apple in the 21st century is surely that they produced OSX from open source software with liberal licensing, then went on to make the most restrictive platform with it.
Here's another stalwart contender for "The irony of Apple" (in case you missed it):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/welcome-apple-seriously-451400
February 07, 2014, 09:03:51 PM
People are posting vids of them destroying their iPhones because of this.
February 07, 2014, 09:00:36 PM
The irony of Apple in the 21st century is surely that they produced OSX from open source software with liberal licensing, then went on to make the most restrictive platform with it. Just ditch Apple, these days I'm quite proud that I could never afford to give them my money. Who wants software that's expensive and tells you what to do? It's not even that bug free any more.
February 07, 2014, 06:23:50 PM
Oh so now apple is a government and can make laws and can decide what is legal and is illegal, what is lawful and what is unlawful?
Wow guys, we are getting quickly in a cyberpunk setting where megacorporations rule the world, aren't we? And i mean, really quickly, like, today!
Soon we will have megacorporations wars, mercenaries, spies, it will be like Deus Ex!!!
Wow guys, we are getting quickly in a cyberpunk setting where megacorporations rule the world, aren't we? And i mean, really quickly, like, today!
Soon we will have megacorporations wars, mercenaries, spies, it will be like Deus Ex!!!
February 07, 2014, 04:34:50 PM
Seriously, can this crap about Apple removing stuff from the app store die already? It was garbage anyhow.
February 07, 2014, 03:18:09 PM
I don't entirely agree, they can certainly try to regulate anything, but being successful is another matter entirely and you have regulations in government where they don't even know what their goal is and whether they've been successful in the first place. The 'war' on drugs and other morality based bollocks is a classic example of what I'm thinking of and then you have the catholic church trying to go after scientific thinkers etc.
February 07, 2014, 03:02:36 PM
You can't regulate mathematics.
I agree. However, this is like saying one can't regulate iron. Which is true, but one can, unfortunately, regulate the applications of iron. The question is whether or not the people choose to accept such regulations.
February 07, 2014, 02:06:06 PM
Apple created their first walled garden with their PCs 30 years ago, did very well initially, and eventually lost significant market share as other companies caught up and allowed for openness and innovation that drove growth and additional adoption. The same thing happened in the mobile device space and I believe history will repeat itself.
With this move, Apple didn't decide the 'legality' of anything. They have been tolerant at best to anything Bitcoin in the past, and that tolerance seems to have morphed into open hostility more recently, whatever their reasons.
We don't need government regulations. The market will decide.
With this move, Apple didn't decide the 'legality' of anything. They have been tolerant at best to anything Bitcoin in the past, and that tolerance seems to have morphed into open hostility more recently, whatever their reasons.
We don't need government regulations. The market will decide.
February 07, 2014, 09:39:42 AM
I wonder if this would be legal in Sweden. We have more strict competition laws than the US.. if a company does anything that hinders another to compete fairly, they're gonna have a bad time. Many company mergers happening in the US, creating these "too big to fail" behemoths, would be impossible here.
Bitcoin itself may not be a company, but companies that depend on the bitcoin technology to remain in business are affected by this.
Bitcoin itself may not be a company, but companies that depend on the bitcoin technology to remain in business are affected by this.
February 07, 2014, 09:29:07 AM
Android users not affected.
Evil gloating
Evil gloating
February 07, 2014, 06:52:38 AM
I call for government regulations of these private market places.
It is not right that corporations through the use of terms and conditions (and contract law) can circumvent peoples constitutional and human rights.
We need governments acting on behalf of the people to ensure that these so called 'walled gardens' do not become areas where private and undemocratic laws can flourish. Corporations must not be allowed to become more powerful than the people.
We do not need regulation to hinder the growth of these market places, we need regulation to ensure that everyone is treated fairly.
It is not right that corporations through the use of terms and conditions (and contract law) can circumvent peoples constitutional and human rights.
We need governments acting on behalf of the people to ensure that these so called 'walled gardens' do not become areas where private and undemocratic laws can flourish. Corporations must not be allowed to become more powerful than the people.
We do not need regulation to hinder the growth of these market places, we need regulation to ensure that everyone is treated fairly.
I couldn't disagree more!
Apple is not circumventing people's rights. Apple is not forcing people into its walled garden through a threat of violence. People enter into these agreements because they perceive themselves to be better off for it. I don't see much fairness in the rest of society telling them that they're wrong and forcibly removing this option from them.
February 07, 2014, 06:03:40 AM
You can't regulate mathematics.
February 07, 2014, 06:00:32 AM
It is not right that corporations through the use of terms and conditions (and contract law) can circumvent peoples constitutional and human rights.
Really? You have a constitutional right to have an app available in Apple's store?
Which amendment was that?
February 07, 2014, 05:46:57 AM
I call for government regulations of these private market places.
Government regulations can be good in most instances.
February 07, 2014, 03:22:36 AM
I call for government regulations of these private market places.
It is not right that corporations through the use of terms and conditions (and contract law) can circumvent peoples constitutional and human rights.
We need governments acting on behalf of the people to ensure that these so called 'walled gardens' do not become areas where private and undemocratic laws can flourish. Corporations must not be allowed to become more powerful than the people.
We do not need regulation to hinder the growth of these market places, we need regulation to ensure that everyone is treated fairly.
It is not right that corporations through the use of terms and conditions (and contract law) can circumvent peoples constitutional and human rights.
We need governments acting on behalf of the people to ensure that these so called 'walled gardens' do not become areas where private and undemocratic laws can flourish. Corporations must not be allowed to become more powerful than the people.
We do not need regulation to hinder the growth of these market places, we need regulation to ensure that everyone is treated fairly.
completely agree.
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