Topic: 2017, Ukraine, do not miss the chance! - page 4. (Read 1923 times)

The Russians appeared in large numbers in Ukraine and the Crimea at the expense of forcible eviction or destruction of the indigenous population by the method of weaning food products (Holodomor), followed by the resettlement of the vacated place by Russian settlers, to whom Russia rendered economic assistance.

For sure.
There is hard living under FSB to Jihadists.

What happened in Crimea and Donbass was different. Those areas were heavily populated with ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Ukrainians from Kiev and Lviv are not going to change their loyalty, no matter what happens. Even now, the Crimean Tatars are not happy under the Russian rule.

They are about 14000 from 20000.

Actually it simply would look like in Crimea. 100% surrender and 70% even changing the side.
Thousands of former Ukrainian soldiers are actually now serving in Russian ranks in Crimea.

They just need to take out the leaders and radicals.

Yeap just need to remove the Banderas from Kiev thats it.

Actually they run to Russia in great number.
Last week is applien a new Law for giving them the Russian citizenship in new mode, contactless from Ukrainians side.
People need only declare in Russian office to resign from Ukrainian Citizenship.
There is a huge number of such people in Russia blocked by this issue.

No one need in Russia military actions against civil objects in Ukraine.

Realistically, if Russia made a move and Ukraine received no military support from the west, there would even be no battle. They'd likely just surrender, with any resistance moving underground, poking Russia from time to time with guerrilla type actions.
Alternatively, leaders would order the army to defend while jumping to the helicopters and fleeing across the Poland border themselves. But still, white flags will be up in the air in no time.

Do you think that they will be able to defend against the regular Russian army for 2 months? They were defeated by a bunch of coal  miners and farmers in Donbass. IMO, everything will be over in a day. There will be only two major battles. The battle of Kiev will be fought in the morning and the battle of Lvov will be in the evening. Ukraine will be a part of Russia within 12 to 24 hours.

Strategically does not make sense as retaliation would be swift.

USA have illegaly build 2 Military airports in Syria, and now they are in Raqqa.

Preventing the Ethnic cleansing is a good deal.
Those Jew-Bandera lunatics are still shelling cities in Donbass area.

He doesnt care about Ukraine or Ukrainians at all, they could all die now, if it would make atleast small inconvenience for Russian Federation. Thats how deluded and full of hatred he is.

I thi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_of_the_Republic_of_Crimea

"unilateral declaration of independence by a part of the country does not violate any international norms" © icj-cij.org

Jesus Christ OP, how deluded are you? In case of open military conflict with Russia, Ukraine gets rekt big time. Period. The only support you can hope for would be diplomatic support + maybe more sanctions against Russia. No other country will take military actions against nuclear superpower.

Ukraine on its own won't do shit. You just stood there and watched as Crimea gets annexed and the East rebels against Kiev's CIA-installed government. If Putin decided to go all-in, there would be no Ukraine by now.

Your "Army's" morale were/are at all time low, when push comes to shove, most would surrender or desert with some joining the opposite side (as it happened before). The only formation with somewhat higher morale was the right sector militia, but they didn't quite get along with the new rulers and became more of a problem.

You were never a homogeneous country, with huge number of Ukrainian citizens (in the East) not even speaking the language and consider themselves Russians, I don't think they're looking forward to being "liberated" by you. There's a reason why Crimea was just taken without any resistance, isn't it? And what would you do if you actually succeeded? Would you solve the problem by Wolyn-style genocide?

Putin cooperated with the corrupting ruler Yanukovych And is not Poroshenko a corrupt ruler? His son supports Russia and I am also sure that Poroshenko is friends with Putin and only for Ukrainian residents pretending to block all ties with Russia.

The reality is that, after two decades of eastward Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless.

No Russian government could have acquiesced in such a threat from territory that was at the heart of both Russia and the Soviet Union. Putin's absorption of Crimea and support for the rebellion in eastern Ukraine is clearly defensive, and the red line now drawn: the east of Ukraine, at least, is not going to be swallowed up by Nato or the EU.

But the dangers are also multiplying. Ukraine has shown itself to be barely a functioning state: the former government was unable to clear Maidan, and the western-backed regime is "helpless" against the protests in the Soviet-nostalgic industrial east. For all the talk about the paramilitary "green men" (who turn out to be overwhelmingly Ukrainian), the rebellion also has strong social and democratic demands: who would argue against a referendum on autonomy and elected governors?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict

You are absolutely right, we must act and lie as the Russians lie. Putin uses honest democratic rules, knowing in advance that power in democratic countries can not afford to lie like Putin is lying.

This artificially created war between the hidden rulers who have earned it for several years, and the inhabitants of Russia and Ukraine are used as cannon fodder.

Try it and Kiev is Russian in 2 months.

Alik Bakhshi
2017, Ukraine, do not miss the chance!
   
     In 2017, Ukraine is given a chance to clear its territory of Russian invaders.  The fact is that in 2018, Russia will host the World Cup in football.  So, if Ukraine starts active military operations in 2017 to restore its territorial integrity, it is unlikely that Putin on the eve of Mundialya-2018 will decide on open military confrontation, especially since the Russian president adheres to the lie about Russia's non-interference in the ongoing war of the Ukrainian state with Militants of separatists in the South-East of the country.  If Putin does not surrender the separatists and get involved in the war, then the Mundial, which has been questioned in Russia due to corruption scandals in FIFA, will be covered with a copper basin.  The reaction of the world community will undoubtedly prove to be unfavorable for Russia, regardless of military successes.  Roles of the outcast of the world community of Russia cannot be avoided.  Undoubtedly, in the event of a full-scale war between Russia and Ukraine, the latter will begin to receive military aid from the West.  The war will take a protracted character.  By the way, such a scenario already took place in the Crimean War of 1853-1856, which Russia successfully lost because of economic and technical backwardness.  One cannot doubt, for the same reason, and the current war will turn into a defeat for Russia.
 
    Here it is necessary to take into account a very important circumstance, namely that Putin does not have a way back, he cannot keep the regions torn away from Ukraine for a long time in a suspended state.  It is clear that the so-called self-proclaimed Luhansk and Donetsk republics themselves are not able to function as independent states.  On the other hand, if Russia "by the will of the population" of these republics, or by the definition of Putin of Novorossia, annexes this part of the territory of Ukraine, then the point is put, and thus the legal possibility of further expansion is excluded, and Putin initially planned to seize all of Ukraine on the basis of From the message to which he directly pointed, namely, that the Russians and Ukrainians are one people.  Then the question arises involuntarily: where does the Russian revanchist actually see the end of the borders of Novorossia, or are they, like Russia, according to the dreamy but meaningful joke of Putin, nowhere end.  And is it not time to remember Putin yet another name of Ukraine - Little Russia.

   I believe that Putin prepared the return of Ukraine to the fold of the empire for a long time, for which he introduced his corrupt henchman Yanukovych, having intervened in the presidential elections in Ukraine, however, Maidan violated his far-reaching plan.  In view of the foregoing, as well as taking into account the unconcealed regret of Putin about the collapse of the Soviet Union, after Mundialya-2018 he will intensify his secret intention to return the former colonial peoples to Russia.
 
   Therefore, Ukraine should get ahead of Putin, declare martial law in the country and begin to liberate its territory from the invaders right now, in 2017, otherwise it will face big problems after Mundialya-2018.  Incidentally, a similar situation was before the Sochi Olympics, and in the article "Ukraine as a victim of the immorality of the West against Russia," I wrote: "One thing is clear, to the Sochi Winter Olympics in Russia will not undertake the invasion of the Ukraine, so as not to repeat the failed 1980 Moscow Olympics year.  Therefore, Ukrainians need to hurry up with entering the EU before the end of the Sochi Olympics ".  And in the article "A terrible payment for the roof of the Rose Revolution" of 26.12.2005 and "Whose Crimea" of 06.02.2006, that is, long before the annexation of the Crimea in 2014, I foresaw the Russian military intervention in Ukraine .  Then the Ukrainians stole, one might say,  All the opportunities and even missed the traitor Yanukovych, letting him escape.
 
    Without a doubt, the desire of Putin's revanchist to restore the empire within the borders of the Soviet Union under the far-fetched and insidious pretext of "defending the Russian world", and exclusively through the annexation of foreign territories, while in Russia this notorious Russian world is rolling towards economic catastrophe, will lead to another disintegration Empire.  And if the situation for Putin, in which he drove himself, provides for two outcomes, the first one - to be crucified by an angry people at the gates of the Kremlin and the second - to plunge the world into the nightmare of a nuclear war, but in general for the Russian people with its The imperial outlook is the outcome of one - the inevitable loss of the empire.

 
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