[2018-05-26] South African Police Investigate $80 Million Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 30, 2018, 01:41:52 AM

Do you want to tell me that Ponzi schemes are good for Bitcoin? I have spoken to several people who got burnt by scam ICOs and Bitcoin Ponzi schemes and the majority of them does not want anything to do with Bitcoin after they lost their money on these scams. These people are from all walks of life and they always blame the technology and not themselves.

Instead of trying to force through your own opinion, try to be a bit more open minded and understanding. I never said it's good for Bitcoin. I just try to point out that long term speaking, these cases aren't a problem at all, and the proof for that is the growth we go through. If people are stupid enough to invest in a ponzi and blame Bitcoin for that, then it's their problem. It only shows their true nature, and shows that they shouldn't be here in the first place.

Quote from: Kakmakr on May 30, 2018, 01:41:52 AM

They even take it a step further, by warning people against "Bitcoin" investment. This has a much wider impact than simply one individual that got burnt, because every person that this individual come in contact with are poisoned by his or her anger and resentment towards this technology.

You do not grow adoption by exposing people to scams and Ponzi schemes, where they lose money! ^hmmmmmm^

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Quote from: 1Referee on May 29, 2018, 04:52:31 AM

Quote from: Kakmakr on May 28, 2018, 03:10:04 AM

One of the people who was invested in this was a medical doctor, so I doubt if greed makes any distinction based on IQ.

It's important to understand that being a doctor has zero meaning when it comes to actions outside your comfort zone. Your doctor (medical) IQ might be sky high, but your IQ in other fields can be incredibly low, especially when it comes to investments and risk/reward ratios.

Greed is destructive, and it shows time on time again. If you can't prevent yourself from taking extreme risks, which these ponzi schemes are, then something is actually wrong with you. Investing in ponzi schemes, and especially when it is this obvious, is only a matter of you having a low IQ, at least in the investment field.

Quote from: Kakmakr on May 28, 2018, 03:10:04 AM

The thing that we lose in the end is credibility and a decline in adoption, fuelled by people who lost money in scams. Bitcoin is the unfortunate "collateral damage" in this scenario. Angry

Nope. It only exposes how retarded people are. Bitcoin keeps growing as always. If we go by your logic, we wouldn't be where we are today.

Do you want to tell me that Ponzi schemes are good for Bitcoin? I have spoken to several people who got burnt by scam ICOs and Bitcoin Ponzi schemes and the majority of them does not want anything to do with Bitcoin after they lost their money on these scams. These people are from all walks of life and they always blame the technology and not themselves.

They even take it a step further, by warning people against "Bitcoin" investment. This has a much wider impact than simply one individual that got burnt, because every person that this individual come in contact with are poisoned by his or her anger and resentment towards this technology.

You do not grow adoption by exposing people to scams and Ponzi schemes, where they lose money! ^hmmmmmm^

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 28, 2018, 03:10:04 AM

One of the people who was invested in this was a medical doctor, so I doubt if greed makes any distinction based on IQ.

It's important to understand that being a doctor has zero meaning when it comes to actions outside your comfort zone. Your doctor (medical) IQ might be sky high, but your IQ in other fields can be incredibly low, especially when it comes to investments and risk/reward ratios.

Greed is destructive, and it shows time on time again. If you can't prevent yourself from taking extreme risks, which these ponzi schemes are, then something is actually wrong with you. Investing in ponzi schemes, and especially when it is this obvious, is only a matter of you having a low IQ, at least in the investment field.

Quote from: Kakmakr on May 28, 2018, 03:10:04 AM

The thing that we lose in the end is credibility and a decline in adoption, fuelled by people who lost money in scams. Bitcoin is the unfortunate "collateral damage" in this scenario. Angry

Nope. It only exposes how retarded people are. Bitcoin keeps growing as always. If we go by your logic, we wouldn't be where we are today.

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Quote from: richardsNY on May 28, 2018, 05:24:10 PM

Quote from: timerland on May 28, 2018, 04:19:54 PM

A lot of ponzi schemes, even after they collapse, face no consequences whatsoever even though they are obviously not lawful investment companies.

The thing is that in these cases we only read what news sites release. If they don't choose to release or at least try to obtain more information from authorities, we won't find out how everything plays out behind the scenes after scheme busts. In most cases we only read about these schemes initially because that's what people want to read and it directly also attracts clicks. Criminals being prosecuted for their actions is too positive in nature, and for that reason will likely not get covered. Especially when it comes to the mainstream media channels, they are only out to keep their anti Bitcoin campaign up and running. Bitcoin plus negativity equals user interest and income for them.

Well to be fair, most of these scams and hacks get a lot of media attention, especially when there are large amounts involved. We got a blow by blow analysis of the "Silkroad" incident and also MtGox and also the MMM Ponzi scheme and the death of Sergei Mavrodi.

I would give it to you that the smaller incidents are not covered from beginning to end, but most is so small that it is not news worthy for them to cover it. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: timerland on May 28, 2018, 04:19:54 PM

A lot of ponzi schemes, even after they collapse, face no consequences whatsoever even though they are obviously not lawful investment companies.

The thing is that in these cases we only read what news sites release. If they don't choose to release or at least try to obtain more information from authorities, we won't find out how everything plays out behind the scenes after scheme busts. In most cases we only read about these schemes initially because that's what people want to read and it directly also attracts clicks. Criminals being prosecuted for their actions is too positive in nature, and for that reason will likely not get covered. Especially when it comes to the mainstream media channels, they are only out to keep their anti Bitcoin campaign up and running. Bitcoin plus negativity equals user interest and income for them.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 26, 2018, 05:38:33 AM

The people invested in this was not scammed. If someone promise you 2% interest a day, you should have already realized that it was a Ponzi scheme or something illegal. They continued investing, because they were greedy.

Some friends of mine in South Africa Skyped me about this and asked me if this was Bitcoin. I investigated this and then warned them in advance that they should warn people that it was not Bitcoin. I explained to them that it was a Ponzi scheme and that they must report this to the authorities.

They contacted me again and said that these people know that it was a Ponzi scheme and that they are going to risk it. So I washed my hands and warned my friends not to get involved with this.

SHITE like this, gives Bitcoin a bad reputation. Angry

Not everyone who invests knows that it's a ponzi scheme, but I agree with you.

It's these scams that taints the reputation of bitcoin. People confuse bitcoin with ponzi schemes that are named similarly to bitcoin, and newbies don't know how to distinguish them.

I need to give credit to the South African police here, for at least attempting to investigate this. A lot of ponzi schemes, even after they collapse, face no consequences whatsoever even though they are obviously not lawful investment companies. This is where crypto regulation can be useful, in stopping scams, not restricting access to bitcoin itself.

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Quote from: 1Referee on May 26, 2018, 11:32:25 AM

Quote from: Kakmakr on May 26, 2018, 05:38:33 AM

SHITE like this, gives Bitcoin a bad reputation.

Not really. The only people believing it is related to Bitcoin are noobs themselves, and they don't ever contribute to this market. In other words, we haven't lost anything in that regard. Those with more brain capacity being able to actually think, will know it has nothing to do with Bitcoin, but just the greedy nature of people. I don't even find these cases interesting anymore. It's always the same; people use these options to become rich. It's like the poor man's way to become rich, but they only become poorer.

Again, people with brain capacity know that free money doesn't exist, and thus these investment options are a scam by default. Low IQ people will take these risks, even if they know it's actually a scam. They don't have any skills or market understanding they can utilize to achieve their goals. These people have got what they deserved.

I want to disagree with you on this. As I said before, these people were warned in advance that this was a Ponzi scheme and they still invested. Now my friends are telling me that these same people are blaming Bitcoin for their losses and telling other people to stay away from Bitcoin.

One of the people who was invested in this was a medical doctor, so I doubt if greed makes any distinction based on IQ.

The thing that we lose in the end is credibility and a decline in adoption, fuelled by people who lost money in scams. Bitcoin is the unfortunate "collateral damage" in this scenario. Angry

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Quote from: Terraformer on May 26, 2018, 02:50:02 AM

In an email statement, the police said:

“Members of the public are believed to have been targeted as part of the scam and encouraged by BTC Global agents to invest with promises of 2 percent interest per day, 14 percent per week and ultimately 50 percent per month.”

Oh well, there would always be people who would be a victim of this because people just cannot let it pass that their friends and acquaintances are investing in this kind of scheme and they are not. With a rate like that, it is obvious that there is something wrong with it but then a rate like that would entice more people to join because where in the world could they see something like this. The bank only gives less that a percent annually while they can have a return of investment in two months if they invest in this. We know that it is too good to be true and I assume many of them suspected too but they still push through so I hope that they learn their lesson from this. People who are doing this only tarnished bitcoin's reputation.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on May 26, 2018, 02:46:29 PM

Quote from: Kakmakr on May 26, 2018, 05:38:33 AM

SHITE like this, gives Bitcoin a bad reputation. Angry

Bitcoin haven't revolutionized the scamming and other activities, there are way more scams and ponzi schemes featuring bank payments than those that are focused around Bitcoin. People who are aware of them understand that it's not a problem exclusive to Bitcoin, so Bitcoin's reputation does not suffer here. Those who are pointing out scams to criticize Bitcoin are usually already prejudiced against it, so it doesn't matter much.

Actually, many of these scams make people think that bitcoin/crypto = ponzi scam or hyip schemes. Even when there many other form of these scams found in different areas or with the use of fiat, and is hardly any different with the ones used with crypto, most people get the wrong idea. These kind of news get associated to crypto negatively and it does give a bad reputation.

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Quote from: Terraformer on May 26, 2018, 02:50:02 AM

“Members of the public are believed to have been targeted as part of the scam and encouraged by BTC Global agents to invest with promises of 2 percent interest per day, 14 percent per week and ultimately 50 percent per month.”

how can anyone believe in these kinds of returns? I know there are a lot of people who invest in hyip sites and look at the hyip sites as a game, but here we are talking about 30,000 people, how the heck have so many people been deluded with this project? because I have not seen so much advertising on the internet, so how can they have reached 30,000 people?

Unfortunately many people still believe in such things. Just recently I was reading an article about an ICO and there was a comment to the article: "I transferred 0.5 BTC to [name of the website] and I received 1.5 BTC 7 days later". And there were 3 comments from different "people" confirming that it works. That's how they do the business now, they don't even need to advertise. Greed blinds people, makes them lose common sense and they fall for it. I thought after MMM it will be pointless to create such schemes, but apparently I was wrong.

Yes, there are a lot of gullible individuals who's mind see's potential dollar amount, however, they became blinded, their decisions are clouded and eventually succumb to one of this HYIP, Ponzi and its too late before they know that they have been scammed.

And its all over now, a lot of crooks are taking advantage of this situation, but the problem is that people still fall for it. And as much as we call them out at the beginning, they won't listen and then bitch out later that its bitcoin fault. Just sad, but there's no one to blame but themselves for falling for this trap.

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Quote from: Terraformer on May 26, 2018, 02:50:02 AM

“Members of the public are believed to have been targeted as part of the scam and encouraged by BTC Global agents to invest with promises of 2 percent interest per day, 14 percent per week and ultimately 50 percent per month.”

how can anyone believe in these kinds of returns? I know there are a lot of people who invest in hyip sites and look at the hyip sites as a game, but here we are talking about 30,000 people, how the heck have so many people been deluded with this project? because I have not seen so much advertising on the internet, so how can they have reached 30,000 people?

Unfortunately many people still believe in such things. Just recently I was reading an article about an ICO and there was a comment to the article: "I transferred 0.5 BTC to [name of the website] and I received 1.5 BTC 7 days later". And there were 3 comments from different "people" confirming that it works. That's how they do the business now, they don't even need to advertise. Greed blinds people, makes them lose common sense and they fall for it. I thought after MMM it will be pointless to create such schemes, but apparently I was wrong.

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Quote from: ruthbabe on May 27, 2018, 02:19:59 PM

Quote from: Slow death on May 26, 2018, 08:40:22 AM

Quote from: Terraformer on May 26, 2018, 02:50:02 AM

The South African Police said today it has launched an investigation into an alleged fraud that has claimed more than one billion Rand ($80 million) in bitcoin from 30,000 investors.

WOW this is a very large number of people and by value means that there were people who invested in this scheme a good amount of money

Quote from: Terraformer on May 26, 2018, 02:50:02 AM

“Members of the public are believed to have been targeted as part of the scam and encouraged by BTC Global agents to invest with promises of 2 percent interest per day, 14 percent per week and ultimately 50 percent per month.”

how can anyone believe in these kinds of returns? I know there are a lot of people who invest in hyip sites and look at the hyip sites as a game, but here we are talking about 30,000 people, how the heck have so many people been deluded with this project? because I have not seen so much advertising on the internet, so how can they have reached 30,000 people?

I don't believe they didn't know it was Ponzi or a pyramiding type of "Get Rich Quick Scheme". At 2% interest per day, it's a huge return on investment and so, they should ask themselves where would this company invest their money to be able to pay them that 2%/day interest rate? That's not possible, but because of greed even though they know the risk involved they continue investing because they want to earn money “the easy way”. Cry

Its always been part of human nature on being greedy and who doesnt like to earn big profits in a short period of time and without any work?I do believe that people who joined most of them aware on the risk but still they decide to go on just for the sake of trying out or embracing the risk behind.So sad for those people who join up late and lucky for those who join up on early days of that scam company.

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Quote from: Slow death on May 26, 2018, 08:40:22 AM

Quote from: Terraformer on May 26, 2018, 02:50:02 AM

The South African Police said today it has launched an investigation into an alleged fraud that has claimed more than one billion Rand ($80 million) in bitcoin from 30,000 investors.

WOW this is a very large number of people and by value means that there were people who invested in this scheme a good amount of money

Quote from: Terraformer on May 26, 2018, 02:50:02 AM

“Members of the public are believed to have been targeted as part of the scam and encouraged by BTC Global agents to invest with promises of 2 percent interest per day, 14 percent per week and ultimately 50 percent per month.”

how can anyone believe in these kinds of returns? I know there are a lot of people who invest in hyip sites and look at the hyip sites as a game, but here we are talking about 30,000 people, how the heck have so many people been deluded with this project? because I have not seen so much advertising on the internet, so how can they have reached 30,000 people?

I don't believe they didn't know it was Ponzi or a pyramiding type of "Get Rich Quick Scheme". At 2% interest per day, it's a huge return on investment and so, they should ask themselves where would this company invest their money to be able to pay them that 2%/day interest rate? That's not possible, but because of greed even though they know the risk involved they continue investing because they want to earn money “the easy way”. Cry

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Banks will never admit that they have participated in the ponzi scheme, and that in the eyes of most people, the bank will always be the safest. They are very confident in the bank. Now banks are strongly opposed to Bitcoin, and they therefore think that Bitcoin is ponzi scheme.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 26, 2018, 05:38:33 AM

The people invested in this was not scammed. If someone promise you 2% interest a day, you should have already realized that it was a Ponzi scheme or something illegal. They continued investing, because they were greedy.

Some friends of mine in South Africa Skyped me about this and asked me if this was Bitcoin. I investigated this and then warned them in advance that they should warn people that it was not Bitcoin. I explained to them that it was a Ponzi scheme and that they must report this to the authorities.

They contacted me again and said that these people know that it was a Ponzi scheme and that they are going to risk it. So I washed my hands and warned my friends not to get involved with this.

SHITE like this, gives Bitcoin a bad reputation. Angry

Youre right on this one,this incident quite the same as what happened to the Philippines month ago,the scammer earned almost same amount ,promising investor to earn some percent daily.

And youre right again that this people who invested and claims to be a victim are just a Greedy people that assumed they will earn that big trusting scammers,and now theybecome the victim of their own greediness

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How could people still be innocent enough to believe that a value created from the wind can last for a long time? This type of business is never something legitimate. And whoever participates always knows about the possibilities of losing everything. It is pity that the resources of a whole population are used to investigate something that was wrong from the beginning and that only affected the people who look for opportunities that are illegal or unreal.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 26, 2018, 05:38:33 AM

SHITE like this, gives Bitcoin a bad reputation. Angry

Bitcoin haven't revolutionized the scamming and other activities, there are way more scams and ponzi schemes featuring bank payments than those that are focused around Bitcoin. People who are aware of them understand that it's not a problem exclusive to Bitcoin, so Bitcoin's reputation does not suffer here. Those who are pointing out scams to criticize Bitcoin are usually already prejudiced against it, so it doesn't matter much.

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I don't understand why people don't just report these schemes to the authorities. If enough people do that, the SEC equivalent of the countries people report to will definitely start an investigation. People not doing anything allow these schemes to keep their operations running in all freedom. I seriously hope that in these cases the regulations will actually be very harsh. It's far too easy to set these schemes up and generate millions of dollars in income because of how noobs don't know what they are doing, and mentally retarded clowns think they can exit with profits before the scheme busts. It's once again a sign that people don't learn anything from past events....

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 26, 2018, 05:38:33 AM

SHITE like this, gives Bitcoin a bad reputation.

Not really. The only people believing it is related to Bitcoin are noobs themselves, and they don't ever contribute to this market. In other words, we haven't lost anything in that regard. Those with more brain capacity being able to actually think, will know it has nothing to do with Bitcoin, but just the greedy nature of people. I don't even find these cases interesting anymore. It's always the same; people use these options to become rich. It's like the poor man's way to become rich, but they only become poorer.

Again, people with brain capacity know that free money doesn't exist, and thus these investment options are a scam by default. Low IQ people will take these risks, even if they know it's actually a scam. They don't have any skills or market understanding they can utilize to achieve their goals. These people have got what they deserved.

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reminds me of the Nigerian ponzi run by Mavrodi
but this one is a copy of the nigerian one,when they managed to steal around 50$ in total,but using bitcoins to be more vague
but from people whose income is vastly lower than in South Africa,also much more people were affected:
https://qz.com/1247664/mmm-ponzi-shut-in-nigeria-after-mavrodis-death/

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