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legendary
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November 08, 2018, 09:29:15 PM
#49


The midterms watch isn't over quite yet..
Little Marco seems to be hot on the case - https://twitter.com/marcorubio
Hope he has enough water..



I see that he hasn't stopped tweeting for some time, does anyone know if his claims actually have merit or if he's just doing this as a political stunt?

As I have seen a good deal of articles on the incompetency of the Broward County elections board.
legendary
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November 08, 2018, 08:05:28 PM
#48


The midterms watch isn't over quite yet..
Little Marco seems to be hot on the case - https://twitter.com/marcorubio
Hope he has enough water..

legendary
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November 08, 2018, 05:44:56 PM
#47
https://twitter.com/Tim_Canova/status/1060575611868114944
Caught On Video: Concerned citizen sees ballots being transported in private vehicles & transferred to rented truck on Election night. This violates all chain of custody requirements for paper ballots. Were the ballots destroyed & replaced by set of fake ballots? Investigate now!

Twit link for the video.. Edit- or https://youtu.be/jvVrcVZojNA

Like I said before... just enough rope Wink
legendary
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November 08, 2018, 04:54:15 PM
#46
https://twitter.com/Tim_Canova/status/1060575611868114944
Caught On Video: Concerned citizen sees ballots being transported in private vehicles & transferred to rented truck on Election night. This violates all chain of custody requirements for paper ballots. Were the ballots destroyed & replaced by set of fake ballots? Investigate now!

Twit link for the video.. Edit- or https://youtu.be/jvVrcVZojNA


legendary
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November 08, 2018, 12:19:54 PM
#45
Oh no, I read it. Also I already directly responded to it as you already presented that in the Snopes article:

So ...

a peer reviewed study from a respected peer reviewed journal

... is a good source only if it meets your preconceived notion of "many" illegal voters. Anything that doesn't is automatically false, biased, not credible.

How about the lack of "many" criminal prosecutions and convictions of such illegal voters? Does that mean anything or is it another conspiracy?


Except I didn't just attack the source. I refuted its contents.
legendary
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November 08, 2018, 12:15:36 PM
#44
Oh no, I read it. Also I already directly responded to it as you already presented that in the Snopes article:

So ...

a peer reviewed study from a respected peer reviewed journal

... is a good source only if it meets your preconceived notion of "many" illegal voters. Anything that doesn't is automatically false, biased, not credible.

How about the lack of "many" criminal prosecutions and convictions of such illegal voters? Does that mean anything or is it another conspiracy?
legendary
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November 08, 2018, 12:12:16 PM
#43
Automatically registering tons of illegals to vote..
Don't worry, NONE of them have or will ever vote, because it's illegal for them to vote and they respect our laws so much..

If they respected our laws they would be on the other side of the border..
Since they don't respect our laws they need to be put back on the other side of the boarder..

Improper entry is a crime, every last one is a criminal..
Identity falsification is also a crime, as is falsifying documents..

They have to go back..
legendary
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November 08, 2018, 12:00:55 PM
#42
4. Post a study which does not directly refute anything posted

Let me quote it since you seem to be unable to click on a link. It's about as direct as it can get:

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This paper documents how low-level measurement error for survey questions generally agreed to be highly reliable can lead to large prediction errors in large sample surveys, such as the CCES. The example for this analysis is Richman, Chattha, and Earnest (2014), which presents a biased estimate of the rate at which non-citizens voted in recent elections. The results, we show, are completely accounted for by very low frequency measurement error; further, the likely percent of non-citizen voters in recent US elections is 0.

https://cces.gov.harvard.edu/news/perils-cherry-picking-low-frequency-events-large-sample-surveys


Oh no, I read it. Also I already directly responded to it as you already presented that in the Snopes article:

"the number of non-citizens who voted illegally in the 2008 election ranged “from just over 38,000 at the very minimum to nearly 2.8 million at the maximum.” Their “best estimate” is that 1.2 million or “6.4% of non-citizens actually voted.”"

In short this Snopes hack job is largely focused on Trump's claims, not the veracity of the study itself, so you haven't debunked anything. The only attempt to even argue the veracity of the study itself is based on claims the surveyed parties "made mistakes" answering surveys, and the replies were just mistakes. So they went back and rejiggered the survey, and partially re-conducted it to get the desired result to try to claim the original was invalid.

This is classic massaging of statistics to get numbers you want, but I don't expect you to understand this if you think scientific journals qualify as "conspiracy sites". He simply found a way to widen the margin of error and then disappear real results into that gap, then look, poof, they are "invalid".  The author even makes dumb statements like there were ZERO illegal immigrant voters, which tells me a lot about his credibility and bias right there.


Perhaps you aren't even reading your sources?
legendary
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November 08, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
#41
4. Post a study which does not directly refute anything posted

Let me quote it since you seem to be unable to click on a link. It's about as direct as it can get:

Quote
This paper documents how low-level measurement error for survey questions generally agreed to be highly reliable can lead to large prediction errors in large sample surveys, such as the CCES. The example for this analysis is Richman, Chattha, and Earnest (2014), which presents a biased estimate of the rate at which non-citizens voted in recent elections. The results, we show, are completely accounted for by very low frequency measurement error; further, the likely percent of non-citizen voters in recent US elections is 0.

https://cces.gov.harvard.edu/news/perils-cherry-picking-low-frequency-events-large-sample-surveys
legendary
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November 08, 2018, 11:30:35 AM
#40
If you are going to try to debate me, at least debate statements I actually made.

Yep, The Social Security Administration, and well respected peer reviewed journals are conspiracy sites.

Very funny.

I didn't say SSA is a conspiracy site. I said (1) Youtube and conspiracy sites [such as Agresti's Just Facts] don't count as proof; and (2) [Newsweek, ScienceDirect, & SSA] don't support your claims about illegal votes.

I link you a peer reviewed study from a respected peer reviewed journal, and your retort is Snopes?

Yeah right... here is one of those peer reviews:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379415001420 ---> https://cces.gov.harvard.edu/news/perils-cherry-picking-low-frequency-events-large-sample-surveys

Now I get you don't like Snopes so that's fine. I can't argue with a factless feckless moron.

Let me sum up your statement...

1. Deny your own words

2. Deny very reputable sources are reputable

3. Deny the sources themselves contain evidence

4. Post a study which does not directly refute anything posted

5. Make a personal attack and walk away pretending you made an argument
legendary
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November 08, 2018, 10:48:13 AM
#39
If you are going to try to debate me, at least debate statements I actually made.

Yep, The Social Security Administration, and well respected peer reviewed journals are conspiracy sites.

Very funny.

I didn't say SSA is a conspiracy site. I said (1) Youtube and conspiracy sites [such as Agresti's Just Facts] don't count as proof; and (2) [Newsweek, ScienceDirect, & SSA] don't support your claims about illegal votes.

I link you a peer reviewed study from a respected peer reviewed journal, and your retort is Snopes?

Yeah right... here is one of those peer reviews:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379415001420 ---> https://cces.gov.harvard.edu/news/perils-cherry-picking-low-frequency-events-large-sample-surveys

Now I get you don't like Snopes so that's fine. I can't argue with a factless feckless moron.
legendary
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November 08, 2018, 12:57:18 AM
#38
Newsweek, ScienceDirect, & The Social Security Administration = "conspiracy sites"

None of which support your conspiracy theory that millions of illegal immigrants vote.

I didn't say "millions of illegal immigrants vote", I said "I linked a study from a well respected peer reviewed journal showing hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of illegal immigrants voted." If you are going to try to debate me, at least debate statements I actually made.

Yep, The Social Security Administration, and well respected peer reviewed journals are conspiracy sites. Still on that weak argument of guilt by association are you?



There is no pivot, you argued illegal immigrants cant easily register to vote and I refuted that argument with documentation that it is often automatic. You not liking the fact your argument was refuted doesn't make it a "pivot".

During registration (depending on state laws and regulations) you either have to prove or declare that you're a citizen under penalty of perjury. So yes, they can commit a crime if they want to. So much risk for very little direct gain. You still don't have proof that "many" do.

Except when it is automatic you don't. Man, lies, those sure are hard. I mean we COULD protect our election integrity, but why should we? Would illegal immigrants lie? NO! NEVER! Even suggesting such is racist and offensive! They certainly also do not directly benefit from free education, free health care, snap benefits, etc, that they would simply have to tell a lie to vote for. They certainly aren't poorly educated impoverished people that will vote for whatever bullshit Democrats feed them as long as the gravy train keeps moving. SI SE PUEDE!




You don't get to pick which evidence you want to ignore and what you want to pretend is real. I linked a study from a well respected peer reviewed journal showing hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of illegal immigrants voted. Try arguing the contents of the sources instead of just defaulting to your lame "oh its all conspiracy theories so I don't even need to address it conveniently for me" stance.

Your "study" has been thoroughly debunked. Try again, this time with proper fact-checked proof.

I link you a peer reviewed study from a respected peer reviewed journal, and your retort is Snopes?  MMMkay. Even most of the left know how full of shit they are by now, but I guess you are behind the curve.  Regardless, the statement at Snopes reads:

"Did a Study Show That Hillary Clinton Received More Than 800,000 Votes from Non-Citizens in the 2016 Election?"

No, that was not even the premise of the study. You will notice they focus on Trumps claims and how they do not EXACTLY MATCH the most extremely exclusive interpretation of Trump's word possible.

The study said:

"the number of non-citizens who voted illegally in the 2008 election ranged “from just over 38,000 at the very minimum to nearly 2.8 million at the maximum.” Their “best estimate” is that 1.2 million or “6.4% of non-citizens actually voted.”"

In short this Snopes hack job is largely focused on Trump's claims, not the veracity of the study itself, so you haven't debunked anything. The only attempt to even argue the veracity of the study itself is based on claims the surveyed parties "made mistakes" answering surveys, and the replies were just mistakes. So they went back and rejiggered the survey, and partially re-conducted it to get the desired result to try to claim the original was invalid.

This is classic massaging of statistics to get numbers you want, but I don't expect you to understand this if you think scientific journals qualify as "conspiracy sites". He simply found a way to widen the margin of error and then disappear real results into that gap, then look, poof, they are "invalid".  The author even makes dumb statements like there were ZERO illegal immigrant voters, which tells me a lot about his credibility and bias right there.

legendary
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November 07, 2018, 10:15:58 PM
#37
Newsweek, ScienceDirect, & The Social Security Administration = "conspiracy sites"

None of which support your conspiracy theory that millions of illegal immigrants vote.

There is no pivot, you argued illegal immigrants cant easily register to vote and I refuted that argument with documentation that it is often automatic. You not liking the fact your argument was refuted doesn't make it a "pivot".

During registration (depending on state laws and regulations) you either have to prove or declare that you're a citizen under penalty of perjury. So yes, they can commit a crime if they want to. So much risk for very little direct gain. You still don't have proof that "many" do.

You don't get to pick which evidence you want to ignore and what you want to pretend is real. I linked a study from a well respected peer reviewed journal showing hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of illegal immigrants voted. Try arguing the contents of the sources instead of just defaulting to your lame "oh its all conspiracy theories so I don't even need to address it conveniently for me" stance.

Your "study" has been thoroughly debunked. Try again, this time with proper fact-checked proof.
legendary
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November 07, 2018, 09:58:12 PM
#36
Quote from: suchmoon link=topic=5064580.msg47682520#msg47682520
I don't have a problem with having to present an ID when voting. But you definitely need to brush up on how voter registration works if you think that a non-citizen could just walk in and vote. Trump started voter fraud investigation in 2017 and it found nothing,

Cool story bro:

Non-Citizens Voting in Texas? "We got TONS of them" Says Election Official on Undercover Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veE5-O6wACw

DMV Will AUTOMATICALLY Register Illegal Aliens to Vote—by COURT ORDER: www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/alert-starting-april-1-california-dmv-will-automatically-register-illegal-aliens-to-vote-by-court-order/

https://www.newsweek.com/immigrants-are-getting-right-vote-cities-across-america-664467

"the authors of this paper found that the number of non-citizens who voted illegally in the 2008 election ranged “from just over 38,000 at the very minimum to nearly 2.8 million at the maximum.” Their “best estimate” is that 1.2 million or “6.4% of non-citizens actually voted.”"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973


ETC: https://www.justfactsdaily.com/substantial-numbers-of-non-citizens-vote-illegally-in-u-s-elections/

You also act like identity fraud is not a common tactic of illegal aliens here as well. They steal all kinds of benefits and services they don't pay into, often using the SSNs of citizens, why wouldn't they also steal our votes for more of those handouts?


"This is shown in a 2013 investigation by the U.S. Social Security Administration, which found that about 1.8 million illegal immigrants worked in 2010 by using a Social Security number “that did not match their name.” Furthermore, the study found that another 0.7 million illegal immigrants worked in 2010 with Social Security numbers that they obtained by using “fraudulent birth certificates.” Notably, a Social Security number is a common requirement for voter registration."

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/NOTES/pdf_notes/note151.pdf



Also another little detail you missed... a lot of states give drivers licenses to illegal aliens, and at the same time register them to vote automatically. Many of these systems have no active system for filtering or removing non-citizens. So the fact is they don't have to even actively register, all they have to do is walk in and vote if they already have a drivers license.








many of them actually do vote.

Which you still have no proof of. Youtube videos and conspiracy sites don't count.

Then you pivot to automatic registration and other stuff that has no relevance.

So how about this - how "many" illegal voters have been convicted?


hidden cam video of actual poll workers openly advocating illegal alien voting = "youtube videos"

Newsweek, ScienceDirect, & The Social Security Administration = "conspiracy sites"

As usual, you have no argument so you attack the sources, which in this case are pretty impeccable as far as standards go, except for maybe Newsweek, but that is hardly a conspiracy site.

There is no pivot, you argued illegal immigrants cant easily register to vote and I refuted that argument with documentation that it is often automatic. You not liking the fact your argument was refuted doesn't make it a "pivot".

You don't get to pick which evidence you want to ignore and what you want to pretend is real. I linked a study from a well respected peer reviewed journal showing hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of illegal immigrants voted. Try arguing the contents of the sources instead of just defaulting to your lame "oh its all conspiracy theories so I don't even need to address it conveniently for me" stance.
legendary
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November 07, 2018, 07:57:20 PM
#35
many of them actually do vote.

Which you still have no proof of. Youtube videos and conspiracy sites don't count.

Then you pivot to automatic registration and other stuff that has no relevance.

So how about this - how "many" illegal voters have been convicted?
legendary
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November 07, 2018, 06:51:24 PM
#34

Except they did. Review my previous post including many direct sources.
legendary
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November 07, 2018, 06:48:58 PM
#33
Even snopes admit it...

It says pretty much the opposite:

Not citizenship?

The requirements are the same for automatic or non-automatic voter registration so not sure what you're getting at here. Non-citizens are not allowed to vote in either case and it's still a crime to do so.

Also another little detail you missed... a lot of states give drivers licenses to illegal aliens, and at the same time register them to vote automatically. Many of these systems have no active system for filtering or removing non-citizens. So the fact is they don't have to even actively register, all they have to do is walk in and vote if they already have a drivers license.

So if I want money all I need to do is walk into a convenience store and ask for the contents of their cash register. Not a single problem with that scenario, right?

BTW voter ID does fuck all to solve that.

No one claimed California passed a law allowing illegal aliens to vote in federal elections, so I am not sure what the point of even posting that is.

Everyone has been pretty clear here we are talking about illegal aliens voting illegally and skewing election results.

Also I am not sure what your snarky refractory reply about a convenience store does to argue against that fact that illegal aliens with drivers license are automatically registered to vote, and many of them actually do vote.


But why didnt they found any fraud in the last potus election?

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/08/04/donald-trumps-widespread-voter-fraud-claim-untrue-election-official/905262002/

It could be of course a big conspiracy by the dems :S
legendary
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November 07, 2018, 06:11:34 PM
#32
Even snopes admit it...

It says pretty much the opposite:

Not citizenship?

The requirements are the same for automatic or non-automatic voter registration so not sure what you're getting at here. Non-citizens are not allowed to vote in either case and it's still a crime to do so.

Also another little detail you missed... a lot of states give drivers licenses to illegal aliens, and at the same time register them to vote automatically. Many of these systems have no active system for filtering or removing non-citizens. So the fact is they don't have to even actively register, all they have to do is walk in and vote if they already have a drivers license.

So if I want money all I need to do is walk into a convenience store and ask for the contents of their cash register. Not a single problem with that scenario, right?

BTW voter ID does fuck all to solve that.

No one claimed California passed a law allowing illegal aliens to vote in federal elections, so I am not sure what the point of even posting that is.

Everyone has been pretty clear here we are talking about illegal aliens voting illegally and skewing election results.

Also I am not sure what your snarky refractory reply about a convenience store does to argue against that fact that illegal aliens with drivers license are automatically registered to vote, and many of them actually do vote.
legendary
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November 07, 2018, 06:00:40 PM
#31
Even snopes admit it...

It says pretty much the opposite:

Not citizenship?

The requirements are the same for automatic or non-automatic voter registration so not sure what you're getting at here. Non-citizens are not allowed to vote in either case and it's still a crime to do so.

Also another little detail you missed... a lot of states give drivers licenses to illegal aliens, and at the same time register them to vote automatically. Many of these systems have no active system for filtering or removing non-citizens. So the fact is they don't have to even actively register, all they have to do is walk in and vote if they already have a drivers license.

So if I want money all I need to do is walk into a convenience store and ask for the contents of their cash register. Not a single problem with that scenario, right?

BTW voter ID does fuck all to solve that.
legendary
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November 07, 2018, 05:41:37 PM
#30
Quote from: suchmoon link=topic=5064580.msg47682520#msg47682520
I don't have a problem with having to present an ID when voting. But you definitely need to brush up on how voter registration works if you think that a non-citizen could just walk in and vote. Trump started voter fraud investigation in 2017 and it found nothing,

Cool story bro:

Non-Citizens Voting in Texas? "We got TONS of them" Says Election Official on Undercover Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veE5-O6wACw

DMV Will AUTOMATICALLY Register Illegal Aliens to Vote—by COURT ORDER: www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/alert-starting-april-1-california-dmv-will-automatically-register-illegal-aliens-to-vote-by-court-order/

https://www.newsweek.com/immigrants-are-getting-right-vote-cities-across-america-664467

"the authors of this paper found that the number of non-citizens who voted illegally in the 2008 election ranged “from just over 38,000 at the very minimum to nearly 2.8 million at the maximum.” Their “best estimate” is that 1.2 million or “6.4% of non-citizens actually voted.”"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973


ETC: https://www.justfactsdaily.com/substantial-numbers-of-non-citizens-vote-illegally-in-u-s-elections/

You also act like identity fraud is not a common tactic of illegal aliens here as well. They steal all kinds of benefits and services they don't pay into, often using the SSNs of citizens, why wouldn't they also steal our votes for more of those handouts?


"This is shown in a 2013 investigation by the U.S. Social Security Administration, which found that about 1.8 million illegal immigrants worked in 2010 by using a Social Security number “that did not match their name.” Furthermore, the study found that another 0.7 million illegal immigrants worked in 2010 with Social Security numbers that they obtained by using “fraudulent birth certificates.” Notably, a Social Security number is a common requirement for voter registration."

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/NOTES/pdf_notes/note151.pdf



Also another little detail you missed... a lot of states give drivers licenses to illegal aliens, and at the same time register them to vote automatically. Many of these systems have no active system for filtering or removing non-citizens. So the fact is they don't have to even actively register, all they have to do is walk in and vote if they already have a drivers license.

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