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Topic: [2019-01-05] BitTorrent Is Launching Its Own Cryptocurrency on the Tron Network (Read 445 times)

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BitTorrent, which pioneered peer-to-peer technology for sharing files on the internet, is creating its own cryptocurrency.

Issued by the Singapore-based BitTorrent Foundation, the new BitTorrent Token (BTT) will run on the tron protocol, developed by Tron, which acquired BitTorrent in June of last year. The file-sharing software company claims to have 100 million users.

Justin Sun, founder of Tron and CEO of BitTorrent, said in a press release:

“In one giant leap, we can introduce blockchain to hundreds of millions of users around the world and empower a new generation of content creators with the tools to distribute their content directly to others on the web.”

The plan to issue a token follows the announcement of Project Atlas, which BitTorrent revealed at the end of August. Project Atlas is a new iteration of the P2P software. It provides users with a way to spend and earn crypto while sharing files.

Under the existing system, users need to put a file on the system in order to download something. As Sun explains in a YouTube video, the user has no incentive to keep a file on the network once they have finished downloading.

With BTT, users can pay someone with the file to send it to them and they can pay for more bandwidth, so it downloads faster. With the prospect of payment, file hosts have an incentive to keep more files available to the network, making it more likely that a given user will be able to download something they want more quickly.

Read more: https://www.coindesk.com/bittorrent-is-launching-its-own-cryptocurrency-on-the-tron-network
As far as I know BitTorrent is not as popular as before, but the fact that it will be sold not through ICO but through IEO is of interest. Another is a big plus that the IEO will be held on the exchange Binance. Let's see what happens)
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2 to 3 sat price there confusing everyone dont buy at 30 sat  Grin
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It took just 16 min to sell off on binance. This fast fund raise by some projects at the beginning of the year is giving a good sign to the space, I just dont know after I have enjoyed such a long period of free file sharing I will be willing to pay now. This is the only thread that gave any information of the project, a project of such influence in the early years of bitcoin, could raise money without any contribution from the forum, no announcement page either.
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So company expects people who have spent their entire lives doing anything not to pay anything - pay something.

Imagine how many people said that to Steve Jobs when he decided to charge for mp3. Or to the founders of Netflix, Spotify etc ...


I know it is late but since the thread appeared again in my watchlist I just come across your post, dunno how I missed dit earlier

Steve Jobs decided to charge the ones that were already paying. People were buying cd well before mp3 and audio tapes before that, what BitTorrent is trying to do is the opposite.It's like creating an acorn farm with the plan of selling it to squirrels and at the same time paying some squirrel a referral share for every squirrel that comes and pays for the acorns.

I know there is this myth that pirates spend more money on stuff, fake numbers coming from TorrentFreak but the reality is that the ones that get stuff for free are nor happy paying even a few cents for something. I've already told you I saw the stats of a movie sharing website, those people would not click anything, would not donate anything, would not support the website for a single minute. To simply believe that with such a userbase you are going to milk some revenue you're mistaken!





legendary
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Also, there's no precedent of successful crowdfunding of an AAA game or a Hollywood-quality movie yet.

Citizen Kane?


It's not exactly a new thing, platforms like Kickstarter were around for many years already.

It would be new if someone talented had the first ever 100% independent hit film/track/album. It'll happen, I've been saying this for years. Someone who's smart enough to know how good they are, and knowledgeable enough to know they can do everything them self. You don't need an industry when all the modern equipment is household grade.

oh, there are many successful crowdfunded games
one of my favorite games, the Banner Saga  (it has 3 parts now) was crowdfunded
Wastelands 2 was crowdfunded ,maybe not an AAA title, but definitely a fantastic sequel to the classics
I'm a fan of old school RPG and strategy games, there is this new project called Atom
and its a Fallout 2-like RPG , crowdfunded too

as for the Bittorrent's cryptocurrency and people who never pay for stuff, well there must be some good incentitive for them to buy content
and I don't see what model is going to be successful there, but in any case the sales should cover the coin development costs
I'm more interested, actually, in how Bittorent will sort the legal issues- royalties, piracy etc.
or they would have to spend their premined coins to pay fines to Microsoft and Bangbros  Grin
legendary
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You're talkin about the way it is now as if that's all that's possible. I'm just saying I think someone will figure out that they can cut out most or all of the middlemen. It's easy to argue your perspective, because you're just retelling what's happening outside your window. I'm saying that if you look at the direction these industries have been going in on a long timescale, eventually someone will take the final step to complete independence and also be a massive success. In the 1930s, everyone was completely dependent on Hollywood or Tin Pan Alley, or Broadway. That total dependence has been slowly disintegrating ever since.
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~snip~

Sure, and if people can find new artists on Soundcloud, then artists who get alot of plays can use their Soundcloud page to promote short clips of tracks they think audiences will like. Then they can take 100% profit by using file sharing networks to distribute the full length track/film.

But then again can you name me one content producer that is independent who became rich by now? Even Techn9ne or Macklemore who has been independent on their own for a long time needs the support of labels to get their tracks on the radio. Even content creators in blogs and Youtube has sponsors and other help to support them. You cannot really think that they can be rich on their own.

the artist itself cannot do it independently that is why we have producers, publishers, labels and studios to help them for a fee.
Yes they can, artists don't need publishers, labels or studios, they can do it all themselves. The only thing they couldn't do before was accept money over the internet. They can now.
They cannot limit themselves on a file sharing site to earn for a living (or at least be satisfied with it). Why limit themselves on the internet for money? Most artists right now are dying just to get their songs heard on the local radio. I mean they cannot be satisfied by just number of downloads to earn money. And if they do want to earn that way the only way to do that is to boost their fan base which can only happen if they are doing music tours or concerts all around the world which they cannot do alone.
legendary
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Hey as long as they are selling their original work in the file sharing website I don't care about it, but if you are starting out do you really want to go on a paid only file sharing website? As a content producer will you limit your viewers to people who are willing to pay you even if they don't know you? Of course not, some artists right now are discovered in soundcloud or youtube as these websites don't restrict their viewers/listeners to only the ones paying them.

Sure, and if people can find new artists on Soundcloud, then artists who get alot of plays can use their Soundcloud page to promote short clips of tracks they think audiences will like. Then they can take 100% profit by using file sharing networks to distribute the full length track/film.


the artist itself cannot do it independently that is why we have producers, publishers, labels and studios to help them for a fee.

Yes they can, artists don't need publishers, labels or studios, they can do it all themselves. The only thing they couldn't do before was accept money over the internet. They can now.
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Remember when you said this:

I won't care if their project only involved sharing files of their original work

What's wrong with content producers charging people to download their stuff directly from a file sharing network?
Hey as long as they are selling their original work in the file sharing website I don't care about it, but if you are starting out do you really want to go on a paid only file sharing website? As a content producer will you limit your viewers to people who are willing to pay you even if they don't know you? Of course not, some artists right now are discovered in soundcloud or youtube as these websites don't restrict their viewers/listeners to only the ones paying them.

I'll tell you what's right with it:

  • No more distributors to pay (i.e. itunes or spotify)
  • No more labels (so no more exploitative contracts)
  • No more publishing fees (because no more copyright)
  • No more lawyers to pay (because no labels or publishing)
  • Keep 100% of the profits (instead of between 5% and 0%)

File sharing networks are never going to get shut down, it's not possible, it's been tried and it's failed. The secret is stop trying to pretend there are multiple copies to sell, because there is only one copy. Once you've sold just 1 copy, then everyone in effect has it. Or people could try to continue to fight reality.
I know file sharing networks won't shutdown that is why the industry is trying to battle it we won't even have services like Itunes or Spotify on Music and Netflix or Hulu in Movies if we don't have piracy. Itunes selling newly release albums for 1$ for the whole album, Netflix offering their movie range for around 11$-16$ a month, they even release movies who have been shown recently in cinemas just a month a part. Just so you know being in the entertainment industry is hard and the artist itself cannot do it independently that is why we have producers, publishers, labels and studios to help them for a fee.
legendary
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Remember when you said this:

I won't care if their project only involved sharing files of their original work

What's wrong with content producers charging people to download their stuff directly from a file sharing network?


I'll tell you what's right with it:

  • No more distributors to pay (i.e. itunes or spotify)
  • No more labels (so no more exploitative contracts)
  • No more publishing fees (because no more copyright)
  • No more lawyers to pay (because no labels or publishing)
  • Keep 100% of the profits (instead of between 5% and 0%)

File sharing networks are never going to get shut down, it's not possible, it's been tried and it's failed. The secret is stop trying to pretend there are multiple copies to sell, because there is only one copy. Once you've sold just 1 copy, then everyone in effect has it. Or people could try to continue to fight reality.
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~snip~

It's frustrating, because the way you're thinking about it, you're almost there. What's the difference between people using bittorrent and cryptocurrencies to distribute their own work (with other people doing the same to help keep the distribution going), and getting paid for copyright piracy? Not much, when you think about it
For one thing they are actually encouraging people to do piracy (if it is their intent to pay pirated media, files) people who upload files in torrent websites don't even get money except from their donations but if they do this they are actually guaranteeing them to be earning something from the files they are sharing whether or not it is illegal. At some point if things got worst we might even see the the film and music industry to stop producing new work or even increase in prices just to battle the piracy happening.

Just like what I have mentioned above the backlash from the government that they will have will be big and maybe we will see torrent downloaders being shut down as well not only torrent P2P websites.
legendary
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I won't care if their project only involved sharing files of their original work but if they are only sharing pirated copies of movies, music, and even programs then it would be an abuse and clearly a violation of piracy laws, their uploaders would earning money from the works of others.

It's frustrating, because the way you're thinking about it, you're almost there. What's the difference between people using bittorrent and cryptocurrencies to distribute their own work (with other people doing the same to help keep the distribution going), and getting paid for copyright piracy? Not much, when you think about it
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So they have taken piracy to the next level? I would suspect if they did that they would have some problems with the government and of course the Tron network would also be part of it. I won't care if their project only involved sharing files of their original work but if they are only sharing pirated copies of movies, music, and even programs then it would be an abuse and clearly a violation of piracy laws, their uploaders would earning money from the works of others.

But this project if done legally will be a great one. One thing I would like to see with the system is that seeders of files would also be earning the token, this would be beneficial either way as they are making the fast download possible.
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A BitTorrent airdrop is announced for all the TRON hodlers.
The airdrop is going to take place in many portions starting from 11 February 2019 and continue untill 2025.
All TRX hodlers are going to receive BTT tokens in a ratio of 1:1.

It doesn't matter if your balance is frozen or not.

https://medium.com/bittorrent/bittorrent-foundation-unveils-more-details-regarding-bittorrent-btt-airdrops-for-tron-trx-8bbd194f8a87
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I stand with Ukraine.

It's not exactly a new thing, platforms like Kickstarter were around for many years already.

It would be new if someone talented had the first ever 100% independent hit film/track/album. It'll happen, I've been saying this for years. Someone who's smart enough to know how good they are, and knowledgeable enough to know they can do everything them self. You don't need an industry when all the modern equipment is household grade.

It happened already, the movie Paranormal Activity had a $15,000 budget  and a $193.4 million box office. The authors sold the movie to Paramount Pictures for $300,000. If they had access to a decentralized content distribution system like the one described in the OP, they would net much more money, but probably less than those 193 millions (because Paramount Pictures dropped $10 millions on advertisement).
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It's hard to even imagine how much less they would earn if the movie wasn't acquired by Paramount Pictures. Actually we will never know how much did they really spend on advertisement because it's a normal practice for distribution companies to understate their advertisement expenses in such cases to make it look like people decided by their own that the film is worth watching. As stated in one article:

The success of the film was widely attributed to the unique promotional strategies adopted by California-based film production and distribution company, Paramount Pictures Corporation (Paramount Pictures).

And I absolutely agree with this statement. No one would pay a dollar for watching this movie if there was no high-priced promotion, and not because the movie in question was bad, but because people usually don't pay for something they weren't told worth paying for.
legendary
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It would be new if someone talented had the first ever 100% independent hit film/track/album.

It happened already, the movie Paranormal Activity had a $15,000 budget  and a $193.4 million box office. The authors sold the movie to Paramount Pictures for $300,000.

Not what I'd call 100% independent, but interesting nevertheless


If they had access to a decentralized content distribution system like the one described in the OP, they would net much more money, but probably less than those 193 millions (because Paramount Pictures dropped $10 millions on advertisement).

There are probably more cases like that, but they are rather exceptions than the rule. You can produce world-class music at home these days, but digital content like movies and games still costs millions of dollars to produce, and I don't see how those amounts can be achieved via crowdfunding in the near future.

I think music is most likely for such a thing to happen, it has the lowest barriers to entry as you mention. A music hit can be done with a much smaller team of people, literally one person could do everything if they have the right range of skills.
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It's not exactly a new thing, platforms like Kickstarter were around for many years already.

It would be new if someone talented had the first ever 100% independent hit film/track/album. It'll happen, I've been saying this for years. Someone who's smart enough to know how good they are, and knowledgeable enough to know they can do everything them self. You don't need an industry when all the modern equipment is household grade.

It happened already, the movie Paranormal Activity had a $15,000 budget  and a $193.4 million box office. The authors sold the movie to Paramount Pictures for $300,000. If they had access to a decentralized content distribution system like the one described in the OP, they would net much more money, but probably less than those 193 millions (because Paramount Pictures dropped $10 millions on advertisement).

There are probably more cases like that, but they are rather exceptions than the rule. You can produce world-class music at home these days, but digital content like movies and games still costs millions of dollars to produce, and I don't see how those amounts can be achieved via crowdfunding in the near future.
legendary
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Also, there's no precedent of successful crowdfunding of an AAA game or a Hollywood-quality movie yet.

Citizen Kane?


It's not exactly a new thing, platforms like Kickstarter were around for many years already.

It would be new if someone talented had the first ever 100% independent hit film/track/album. It'll happen, I've been saying this for years. Someone who's smart enough to know how good they are, and knowledgeable enough to know they can do everything them self. You don't need an industry when all the modern equipment is household grade.
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So company expects people who have spent their entire lives doing anything not to pay anything - pay something.

Imagine how many people said that to Steve Jobs when he decided to charge for mp3. Or to the founders of Netflix, Spotify etc ...
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I've been using torrents for years but I would be willing to pay in some cases. If it meant 1) getting obscure, hard-to-find media and 2) incentivizing uploaders to seed faster so I'm not waiting days for downloads to finish, I would definitely pay something. I'm not sure how much I'd be willing to pay, but I'm be open to it.

People pay for Usenet and private torrent trackers, so it doesn't seem that crazy.

The rarest torrents will attract so little custom there'd have to be a way of putting payer and receiver together via some sort of bidding or publicising process. Even then the people with the data may forget they have it.

That view makes sense in principle. I guess we'll need to see how it works.
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