2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup - page 303.

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Quote from: Kasabus on July 21, 2022, 07:17:45 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on July 21, 2022, 06:35:02 AM

We have Phoniex vs Ginebra today.

I believe Wright is not available, so do you think that Phoenix will have a chance of winning this game, or at least cover the handicap?
This game will start soon, so guys, good luck!

Yes, no Matthew Wright because he is out of the country, so it's a big task for the Phoenix to upset a good team like Ginebra. As expected, it's Ginebra who are taking the lead as they are dominating early, and since they are a good 2nd half team, I already expect that they will have a big win here.

It's not over yet, Ginebra though leading the game but it's just a single digit lead, if Phoenix will continue to challenge Ginebra, then it might end up a close game, possible outcome, Phoenix will upset Ginebra or lose but will cover the spread.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on July 21, 2022, 06:35:02 AM

We have Phoniex vs Ginebra today.

I believe Wright is not available, so do you think that Phoenix will have a chance of winning this game, or at least cover the handicap?
This game will start soon, so guys, good luck!

Yes, no Matthew Wright because he is out of the country, so it's a big task for the Phoenix to upset a good team like Ginebra. As expected, it's Ginebra who are taking the lead as they are dominating early, and since they are a good 2nd half team, I already expect that they will have a big win here.

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We have Phoniex vs Ginebra today.

I believe Wright is not available, so do you think that Phoenix will have a chance of winning this game, or at least cover the handicap?
This game will start soon, so guys, good luck!

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Quote from: chaser15 on July 20, 2022, 08:35:21 PM

Quote from: Shamm on July 20, 2022, 09:01:22 AM

That six player in the list are a good contributor in the game, has a double digit score is a big help for the team to win and they manage the lead 31 point lead is a huge for ROS it's a big loss from them but even though they loss at least they play with all of their heart and skills but it's not enough to beat magnolia maybe next they will win in their game but now they don't have their luck.

The game was already decided early. After the half, I even stopped watching and just waited for the final score for my ending game here which I didn't win lol.

No aggressiveness was shown on the part of the Rain Or Shine as maybe they already accept that Magnolia Hotshots is too much for them. They are not the ROS before that is one of the threats in the All-Filipino Conference. They didn't attempt to make a force rally as Magnolia didn't even bother to rest their starters even though the lead is very huge.

Now that it's now decided who will enter the quarterfinals, what's left is now the final seeding to make the bracket complete.

SMB and TNT now secure the semis. The battle for the quarterfinals will be done by the remaining teams.

That's the bad thing by the RoS team they play in a chill mode or they just in their unlucky day that's why they failed and got their 7th loss in this season. And the Magnolia has a chance to the finals. Keep moving forward if I am not mistaken terrafirma and meralco bolts are in game right now. Meralco is already in, in playoffs they have 6-4 record this season maybe they gave a chance to terrafirma and claim their first win.

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Quote from: harizen on July 20, 2022, 06:59:13 PM

Amazing rally by the Converge as they will enter the quarterfinals on their conference debut. Aside from that, BlackWater too which achieved the longest losing streak in the history of the league will also joined the quarterfinals since the 2019 Commissioners Cup.

Congratulations to Converge as they clinch a playoff spot on their debut conference. They have a promising roster TBH and correct me because I'm not watching too much PBA games but it seems like Jeron Teng is injured right? Maybe if he comes back then they will be better.

As for BlackWater, it seems that their win against Magnolia last season (where they ended their 29 game losing streak) boosted the morale of the whole team coming this All-Filipino cup. It's just unfortunate that after a good start (they reached 3rd spot as the highest), they got into a losing streak but anyway, 5 wins is enough for them to get a playoff spot and it might turn into 6 if they win on their last game.

Quote from: harizen on July 20, 2022, 06:59:13 PM

I hope one of these teams will enter the Semis for at least a change of view. That's a big surprise.

That would be surprising TBH but I'm not expecting too much from it. It's PBA Cheesy

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Quote from: Shamm on July 20, 2022, 09:01:22 AM

That six player in the list are a good contributor in the game, has a double digit score is a big help for the team to win and they manage the lead 31 point lead is a huge for ROS it's a big loss from them but even though they loss at least they play with all of their heart and skills but it's not enough to beat magnolia maybe next they will win in their game but now they don't have their luck.

The game was already decided early. After the half, I even stopped watching and just waited for the final score for my ending game here which I didn't win lol.

No aggressiveness was shown on the part of the Rain Or Shine as maybe they already accept that Magnolia Hotshots is too much for them. They are not the ROS before that is one of the threats in the All-Filipino Conference. They didn't attempt to make a force rally as Magnolia didn't even bother to rest their starters even though the lead is very huge.

Now that it's now decided who will enter the quarterfinals, what's left is now the final seeding to make the bracket complete.

SMB and TNT now secure the semis. The battle for the quarterfinals will be done by the remaining teams.

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With Rain-Or-Shine losing their final elimination game against the Magnolia, they were now out of the playoffs together with Phoenix FuelMasters, Northport Batang Pier, and Terrafirma DYIP. It's unusual to see teams like ROS and Phoenix that is being out of the eliminations.

Amazing rally by the Converge as they will enter the quarterfinals on their conference debut. Aside from that, BlackWater too which achieved the longest losing streak in the history of the league will also joined the quarterfinals since the 2019 Commissioners Cup.

I hope one of these teams will enter the Semis for at least a change of view. That's a big surprise.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on July 20, 2022, 07:41:15 AM

Quote from: Kasabus on July 20, 2022, 07:12:34 AM

Quote from: jakelyson on July 20, 2022, 04:27:16 AM

I will go with ROS 8.5 @1.87

Bad bet, looks like ROS is not into the game, they lost by a huge margin to the Magnolia Hotshots.

118-87, Magnolia well covered the spread here.
Congrats to those who pick the heavy favorite, it was -7.5 I believe.

It was a team effort, seeing the boxscore, you can see there's plenty of players that tallied a double digit contribution.
https://pba.ph/recap?match=2098834

Jalalon 16
Sanggalang 12
Barocca 12
Corpuz 11
Ahamnisi 19
Lee 11
Abueva 13

That six player in the list are a good contributor in the game, has a double digit score is a big help for the team to win and they manage the lead 31 point lead is a huge for ROS it's a big loss from them but even though they loss at least they play with all of their heart and skills but it's not enough to beat magnolia maybe next they will win in their game but now they don't have their luck.

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Quote from: Kasabus on July 20, 2022, 07:12:34 AM

Quote from: jakelyson on July 20, 2022, 04:27:16 AM

I will go with ROS 8.5 @1.87

Bad bet, looks like ROS is not into the game, they lost by a huge margin to the Magnolia Hotshots.

118-87, Magnolia well covered the spread here.
Congrats to those who pick the heavy favorite, it was -7.5 I believe.

It was a team effort, seeing the boxscore, you can see there's plenty of players that tallied a double digit contribution.
https://pba.ph/recap?match=2098834

Jalalon 16
Sanggalang 12
Barocca 12
Corpuz 11
Ahamnisi 19
Lee 11
Abueva 13

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Quote from: jakelyson on July 20, 2022, 04:27:16 AM

I will go with ROS 8.5 @1.87

Bad bet, looks like ROS is not into the game, they lost by a huge margin to the Magnolia Hotshots.

118-87, Magnolia well covered the spread here.
Congrats to those who pick the heavy favorite, it was -7.5 I believe.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 20, 2022, 02:18:56 AM

I think coach Chot should also not be blamed here but the committee that appointed him to be the coach.
He would always say it's a learning experience, LOL, we have enough of that already, we want results and we didn't get that under him.

Oh, he can always decline the offer. He should let other coaches take the reign and have a shot in directing the Gilas squad. He already achieved a lot in 2013 when he led Gilas to qualify for FIBA world cup and in 2014 when they showed good basketball in FIBA World. But his game style does not work now, so it is better to give other coaches a chance.

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 20, 2022, 02:18:56 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 19, 2022, 04:27:40 PM

Back to the PBA, we have a very interesting game today as Converge fight for dear life against Blackwater. If they win today their hope of advancing to the next stage is still alive and the odds for this game favor Converge so I will be taking this one because Blackwater is not a team that can be relied upon in this kind of situation, just my thought.

Converge -1.5 @1.84...

It's a must-win for both teams, not sure who will win but you are right, Converge is more reliable because they have more experience than Blackwater in tough situations like an elimination game.

Converge won by 2 points, 92-90. Blackwater had the chance to take it to overtime but they missed an open shot by the rim in the last seconds. It was a good play, but the shot did not go in.

It will be Magnolia vs Rain or Shine next game. Magnolia is favored to win but ROS needed the win more. Since converge won their game, ROS also need this win to go to the next round.

I will go with ROS 8.5 @1.87

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 19, 2022, 04:27:40 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on July 19, 2022, 10:18:08 AM

Time now for Chot to realize that his system is not workable with international competitions, also time for SBP to look for other resources in the next FIBA qualifiers.

Don't know what is happening inside but I agree with you, time for coach Chot Reyes to step down as Gilas coach and listen to the voice of the people who are tired of seeing Gilas losses.

I think coach Chot should also not be blamed here but the committee that appointed him to be the coach.
He would always say it's a learning experience, LOL, we have enough of that already, we want results and we didn't get that under him.

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 19, 2022, 04:27:40 PM

Back to the PBA, we have a very interesting game today as Converge fight for dear life against Blackwater. If they win today their hope of advancing to the next stage is still alive and the odds for this game favor Converge so I will be taking this one because Blackwater is not a team that can be relied upon in this kind of situation, just my thought.

Converge -1.5 @1.84...

It's a must-win for both teams, not sure who will win but you are right, Converge is more reliable because they have more experience than Blackwater in tough situations like an elimination game.

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Quote from: Fredomago on July 19, 2022, 10:18:08 AM

Time now for Chot to realize that his system is not workable with international competitions, also time for SBP to look for other resources in the next FIBA qualifiers.

Don't know what is happening inside but I agree with you, time for coach Chot Reyes to step down as Gilas coach and listen to the voice of the people who are tired of seeing Gilas losses.

Back to the PBA, we have a very interesting game today as Converge fight for dear life against Blackwater. If they win today their hope of advancing to the next stage is still alive and the odds for this game favor Converge so I will be taking this one because Blackwater is not a team that can be relied upon in this kind of situation, just my thought.

Converge -1.5 @1.84...

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Quote from: Fredomago on July 19, 2022, 10:18:08 AM

Japan is too much for Gilas 21 points deficit is something that can't be rallied back, it was fully dominated by Japan and even the Gilas did try to bounce back that big lead from the first quarter is too much to cope up, the hope for National team was ended here, after losing we are no longer qualified to move forward.

I missed the game but I watched the previous games of Japan and they are quite impressive. Compared to the current roster of Gilas, they have better outside shooting.

Quote from: Fredomago on July 19, 2022, 10:18:08 AM

Time now for Chot to realize that his system is not workable with international competitions, also time for SBP to look for other resources in the next FIBA qualifiers.

There is an article I read that PBA will only have 2 conferences next year to give way for Gilas to have longer preparation. This also means that the main gun for Gilas will be joining the roster. The ones listed are June Mar Fajardo, Japeth Aguilar, Dwight Ramos, Kai Sotto, and (I do not know if it is true) Jordan Clarkson. Hopefully, we have a better coach to command this roster.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 19, 2022, 06:45:16 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 19, 2022, 06:33:38 AM

Why is it that there is no discussion of the progress of our beloved Gilas in the ongoing FIBA Asia Championship Cup? Grin

Japan vs Gilas in a few hours, odds are not favoring the Philippines and the spread is quite high so if you are still a believer of Gilas then this is the time to push that bet button lol.

Personally, I'm having a hard time choosing whom to bet but being a patriot, I choose Gilas +13.5 @1.95 (boosted), I'm just hoping that they will make this game as close as possible because winning against Japan is a slim possibility with the current state of our Gilas team.

If Gilas will give a great fight, then I think betting on the ML is good. I'd like to see them win despite of the short preparation and a bit undermanned, so that ML odds should be sweet if it will hit.

Japan is too much for Gilas 21 points deficit is something that can't be rallied back, it was fully dominated by Japan and even the Gilas did try to bounce back that big lead from the first quarter is too much to cope up, the hope for National team was ended here, after losing we are no longer qualified to move forward.

Time now for Chot to realize that his system is not workable with international competitions, also time for SBP to look for other resources in the next FIBA qualifiers.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 19, 2022, 06:33:38 AM

Why is it that there is no discussion of the progress of our beloved Gilas in the ongoing FIBA Asia Championship Cup? Grin

Japan vs Gilas in a few hours, odds are not favoring the Philippines and the spread is quite high so if you are still a believer of Gilas then this is the time to push that bet button lol.

Personally, I'm having a hard time choosing whom to bet but being a patriot, I choose Gilas +13.5 @1.95 (boosted), I'm just hoping that they will make this game as close as possible because winning against Japan is a slim possibility with the current state of our Gilas team.

If Gilas will give a great fight, then I think betting on the ML is good. I'd like to see them win despite of the short preparation and a bit undermanned, so that ML odds should be sweet if it will hit. Well, it wasn't just for the win but hoping their best and hard work resulted in something great. If they will lose, that is still okay.

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Why is it that there is no discussion of the progress of our beloved Gilas in the ongoing FIBA Asia Championship Cup? Grin

Japan vs Gilas in a few hours, odds are not favoring the Philippines and the spread is quite high so if you are still a believer of Gilas then this is the time to push that bet button lol.

Personally, I'm having a hard time choosing whom to bet but being a patriot, I choose Gilas +13.5 @1.95 (boosted), I'm just hoping that they will make this game as close as possible because winning against Japan is a slim possibility with the current state of our Gilas team.

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Quote from: mirakal on July 18, 2022, 12:35:34 AM

B-Leauge always has a better player than the PBA, even the highest paid player in the PBA which is JMF still earns lower than what the Filipino players in B League are earning. It's actually very tempting to sign for the B- league if Wright's reason for leaving is money.

Of course, B-league has a better salary since they are focused on getting foreign players to play as an import. If a league is getting imports, they should give a better contract. In PBA, the salary is standard for local players but if you look at how they paid imports, you will see that it's almost the same as the offer in B-league the same goes for our players that are acting as an import too for outside the country leagues.

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Nothing to worry about if Japan is scouting our talents. Remember that not all will have the privilege and chances to play in their B-League.

Overall, how many players in the PBA decided to play in Japan? The numbers aren't that alarming and these scouts are only focused on few players.

They are also scouting in other countries, not just in the Philippines.

There's also a mindset to some players that if they will decide to play overseas, "that's not a long-term contract". Plus the fact that these players have to be "consistent" in showing good performance or else the team won't sign them an extension. The pressure is really heavy unlike playing comfortably in the PBA where they used to.

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Quote from: jakelyson on July 18, 2022, 08:17:49 AM

Quote from: Natalim on July 18, 2022, 05:58:06 AM

Even if they get alarmed, there's nothing they can do because Japan has a high rate compared to the Philippines, even their minimum wage, there's a huge difference compared to the Philippines. It's just up to the players if they will take the offer or not, I heard before that Terrence Romeo has a huge offer but he choose to stay with SMB.

PBA have to take action in combatting this situation. If they sleep on this, Japan will continue to siphon our talents. And one day, Japan will have all our talents and we will be left with nothing.

The only thing that I see positive in this is that our players is having international experience. They will be better when they come back to play for Gilas in International tournaments.

Well they can make some rules, but the PBA knows that they can't stop this players from jumping into other leagues in Asia because of a good pay.

And this had happen to even NBA as well, the Chinese, or even European leagues recruited NBA players and made good money and have the luxury to still play. Same case with this PBA players, and maybe in the long run if might be good for us, as you have said, international exposure and we might fight a lot of young players from the amateurs to join the PBA. For sure there are a lot of talents from us, they just need proper venue (college basketball) to show their wares.

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