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Quote from: CLS63 on April 16, 2024, 04:52:21 PM

I was thinking that Anadolu Efes would get a comfortable win today however I was wrong. Despite Clyburn's legendary start in the first quarter they left the match with a 64-67 loss. After Clyburn's entering the match very well the team forgot him for some reason. Clyburn who scored 17 points in the first quarter completed the match with only 22 points which is really hard to believe.I still think that the actual reason why Anadolu Efes lost the match was their not being able to get contribution from their tall players. Oturu and Jones were terrible today.

I can only imagine this must have been a very disappointing game yesterday.
64 points in a do or die game at home is just very weak. Sure Bologna is no easy stepping stone but still, they lost their last 8 away games in the Euroleague and were just 5-12 away this season.
Efes on the other hand was 13 -4 at home, so normally everybody would think they are a huge favourite in this matchup against Virtus.

Well, everything is possible, season is over for Efes now. That went quick.

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I was thinking that Anadolu Efes would get a comfortable win today however I was wrong. Despite Clyburn's legendary start in the first quarter they left the match with a 64-67 loss. After Clyburn's entering the match very well the team forgot him for some reason. Clyburn who scored 17 points in the first quarter completed the match with only 22 points which is really hard to believe.I still think that the actual reason why Anadolu Efes lost the match was their not being able to get contribution from their tall players. Oturu and Jones were terrible today.

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Play-in start today and with their current form Efes looks like heavy favorite against Virtus. 1.22 odds isn't worth to bet. Virtus isn't same team like they were in 1st part of season, but it's just one game and everything could happen.
Maccabi - Baskonia, here Maccabi is favorite, Baskonia isn't very consistent, but wouldn't be that much surprised if they will win.

Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on April 15, 2024, 09:04:15 PM

Same here. I never understand the reason for a final four. Sure it's a nice weekend but it takes away the effort from the best teams in the regular season.
Normally you fight for home court advantage but with a final four the best teams have this advantage only in 1 round, after that it's the final four already and only the host of it might have home court advantage.

Normally Euroleague is all about money, as we have seen before with plans expanding to Dubai and so on, more games make more money than just 4 games at the final 4 weekend. Strange.

Agree with about Final 4. Underdog wins is fun thing, but I think it's unfair that whole season efforts can be taken away in signle game. But Euroleague isn't changing format because they wouldn't earn almost anything from semifinal and final series, while they're making good money from final 4 tickets and local sponsors who support event.

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Quote from: CLS63 on April 15, 2024, 02:23:25 PM

I have been thinking for years that it is going to be fairer to have a play-off system like the one in NBA instead of final four. I'm of opinion that it isn't fair in terms of basketball to determine the champion by a single match. Anyway I'm going to be at the stadium tomorrow to support Anadolu Efes. When we look at the form graph of both teams recently I think that it will be an easy match for Anadolu Efes.

Same here. I never understand the reason for a final four. Sure it's a nice weekend but it takes away the effort from the best teams in the regular season.
Normally you fight for home court advantage but with a final four the best teams have this advantage only in 1 round, after that it's the final four already and only the host of it might have home court advantage.

Normally Euroleague is all about money, as we have seen before with plans expanding to Dubai and so on, more games make more money than just 4 games at the final 4 weekend. Strange.

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I have been thinking for years that it is going to be fairer to have a play-off system like the one in NBA instead of final four. I'm of opinion that it isn't fair in terms of basketball to determine the champion by a single match. Anyway I'm going to be at the stadium tomorrow to support Anadolu Efes. When we look at the form graph of both teams recently I think that it will be an easy match for Anadolu Efes.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on April 11, 2024, 09:38:44 PM

Not a big surprise that Paris took that win.
They have been dominant the whole season, not only in Europe but also in France.
Not a big surprise though as they got all the players of last year's Bonn team that took the Eurocup before.

They have a bright future ahead of them, maybe at some point they will take the Euroleague spot from ASVEL, who knows.

Yesterday they won 2nd game, it was more difficult, but they controlled it. They were best in Eurocup and they proved it. It's quite unique story when you buy all best players and coach from one team and in this way they won 2 different European tournaments in 2 seasons. Interesting which team they're going to replace in Euroleague, probably it will be Valencia or Crvena Zvezda.

Quote from: CLS63 on April 12, 2024, 03:14:18 PM

Both teams look like they want to win. However I think that the losing side of this match is more advantageous for final four.

Yeah, maybe it's better to get Monaco in series than Barcelona, but it didn't looked that both teams were thinking about that
So, regular season is over, next week we will have play-in tournament and then most fun part - playoffs will begin.

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I was thinking before the match that Anadolu Efes would win comfortably but I wasn't also expecting this much difference. It was an embarrassing score for Crvena zvezda. Fenerbahçe and Olympiacos are playing a match for the 5th place now and it is overtime now. Both teams look like they want to win. However I think that the losing side of this match is more advantageous for final four.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on April 10, 2024, 12:59:37 PM

Yesterday first game of Eurocup final between Paris and Bourg was played where favorites Paris achieved comfortable win. And I expect that they will lift trophy after 2nd game. Bourg looks like big underdog against them who already went above all expectations.
Final round of regular season in Euroleague starts today. Efes have most comfortable situation as they only need to beat Crvena Zvezda at home to reach playin. If they will, rest of games will be irrelevant. It will be one of extremely rare cases when Partizan fans will support Crvena Zvezda Cheesy

Not a big surprise that Paris took that win.
They have been dominant the whole season, not only in Europe but also in France.
Not a big surprise though as they got all the players of last year's Bonn team that took the Eurocup before.

They have a bright future ahead of them, maybe at some point they will take the Euroleague spot from ASVEL, who knows.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on April 10, 2024, 01:45:19 PM

Yeess, there is a short time left for the last games regarding 10th place to start. Grin

When I thought like everything was over for Anadolu Efes they were reborn from their ashes. Because of their 4-win streak they are the closest team to finishing in this place now.

Honestly I have 0 doubt about Anadolu Efes to do this work. They are going to play against Crvena zvezda which don't have any hope left. I expect even a huge win by Anadolu Efes to send a message to their competitors in play-in stage. Wink

It will be really nice to see these 2 Turkish teams in later stages. I have missed their times with Euroleague championships already... Roll Eyes

I expected that Efes will get comfortable win, but damn, blowout by 45 points is just brutal. After loss to ASVEL, Efese chances were complicated, but with 5 wins in a row they're hottest team in Euroleague now and playin isn't the limit for them.
This result eliminates Olimpia and Partizan. Well, Milan eliminated themslves by losing to Maccabi. And Partizan, I sympathize to this team a bit, but this season they don't remind team that they had last year

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Anadolu Efes vs Crvena Zvezda
Anadolu Efes has won eleven of the last twelve official games and they have been performing well lately. With these good results and the rising quality of its play, Anadolu Efes has reached as high as 9th place in this organization. In this year of ups and downs for Anadolu Efes, qualifying for the playoffs will be an important achievement for them. If Efes defeats their opponent, they will move on regardless of the results of the other teams. Crvena Zvezda no longer has a claim in this organization and their main target now is the Adriatic League. Therefore, they might suffer from a lack of concentration in this match. Anadolu Efes is the favored side. Efes, with the support of its fans, will start the game well and will be the favorite.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on April 10, 2024, 12:59:37 PM

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Final round of regular season in Euroleague starts today. Efes have most comfortable situation as they only need to beat Crvena Zvezda at home to reach playin. If they will, rest of games will be irrelevant. It will be one of extremely rare cases when Partizan fans will support Crvena Zvezda Cheesy

Yeess, there is a short time left for the last games regarding 10th place to start. Grin

When I thought like everything was over for Anadolu Efes they were reborn from their ashes. Because of their 4-win streak they are the closest team to finishing in this place now.

Honestly I have 0 doubt about Anadolu Efes to do this work. They are going to play against Crvena zvezda which don't have any hope left. I expect even a huge win by Anadolu Efes to send a message to their competitors in play-in stage. Wink

It will be really nice to see these 2 Turkish teams in later stages. I have missed their times with Euroleague championships already... Roll Eyes

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Yesterday first game of Eurocup final between Paris and Bourg was played where favorites Paris achieved comfortable win. And I expect that they will lift trophy after 2nd game. Bourg looks like big underdog against them who already went above all expectations.
Final round of regular season in Euroleague starts today. Efes have most comfortable situation as they only need to beat Crvena Zvezda at home to reach playin. If they will, rest of games will be irrelevant. It will be one of extremely rare cases when Partizan fans will support Crvena Zvezda Cheesy

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on April 06, 2024, 10:40:23 AM

Oh wow.
I didn't even know Mumbru was coaching now, haha. I don't follow every team in the EL.
Now I am feeling old, I even remember when he was in his prime as a basketball player and representing team Spain.

I also remember his prime as player and even then he already looked old Cheesy

. He become legend of Bilbao Basket and after retiring he become coach of that them and already on first season he helped to return his team to ACB league from 2nd division.

Quote from: CLS63 on April 06, 2024, 03:02:26 PM

I don't agree that Fenerbahçe didn't care about this match. The relationship between these two teams hasn't been good in the recent years. Fenerbahçe wanted to maintain their top 4 chance at the same time. Anadolu Efes started to play at another level after parting their ways with the coach Erdem Can. And they captured another chance in a season that looked finished for them first.

Not saying that Fenerbahche didn't cared about this game, I'm just saying that importance of this game was much higher for Efes as it was do or die for them. Agree that after they changed coach we see different face of Efes. But I think it's important to mention how many injuries they had back then, while now they have basically all their best players available.
Fenerbahche and Efes will paly again on Monday in Turkish league where they're still fighting to become winners of regular season and get home court advantage in the final.

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While Fenerbahçe had the chance to push Anadolu Efes out of the tournament they couldn't took advantage of it. In the last moments of the last quarter Rodrigue Beaubois' two three-pointers were very critical. In my opinion the main reason of Fenerbahçe's losing the match was having so many turnovers. Anadolu Efes has a potential to make more surprises with the squad it has.

It was such great match to watch. Agree that turnovers was main factor, but I think it was caused by that this game didn't had much importance for Fenerbahche, while for Efes it was do or die game. And now they have everything in their hands, they just need to beat Cvena Zvezda on final round and they don't have to look at other results. Few months ago it was difficultto see such scenario.

I don't agree that Fenerbahçe didn't care about this match. The relationship between these two teams hasn't been good in the recent years. Fenerbahçe wanted to maintain their top 4 chance at the same time. Anadolu Efes started to play at another level after parting their ways with the coach Erdem Can. And they captured another chance in a season that looked finished for them first.

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Quote from: CLS63 on April 05, 2024, 03:22:26 PM

While Fenerbahçe had the chance to push Anadolu Efes out of the tournament they couldn't took advantage of it. In the last moments of the last quarter Rodrigue Beaubois' two three-pointers were very critical. In my opinion the main reason of Fenerbahçe's losing the match was having so many turnovers. Anadolu Efes has a potential to make more surprises with the squad it has.

With 12 assists and 15 turnovers, it's surprising that fenerbahce still managed to bring the game to the point where they had to take the last shot. Normally fenerbahce has a pure, playmaking point guard like calathes, but efes had a 19-12 advantage in assists. Calathes had 3 assists, while someone like clyburn who is used to playing as an individual had 4, a guard like larkin whose main job is shooting had 5, and another shooter like rodrigue had 4.

This might show Fenerbahce's possible struggle in the playoffs. They need to figure this out if they want to achieve something. Because this game as an Istanbul derby was intense as usual, an indicator for playoffs IMO.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on April 05, 2024, 05:18:42 PM

Nothing surprising that coach Mumbru was sacked after such fiasco.
Real is on another level, bt I remind fact that in current format Euroleague regular season winner never won Euroleague. Maybe this year historey will be rewritten. Today they lost to Baskonia. It was crucial game for Baskonia, while Real is preparing for El Clasico in ACB league.

Oh wow.
I didn't even know Mumbru was coaching now, haha. I don't follow every team in the EL.
Now I am feeling old, I even remember when he was in his prime as a basketball player and representing team Spain.

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Quote from: CLS63 on April 05, 2024, 03:22:26 PM

While Fenerbahçe had the chance to push Anadolu Efes out of the tournament they couldn't took advantage of it. In the last moments of the last quarter Rodrigue Beaubois' two three-pointers were very critical. In my opinion the main reason of Fenerbahçe's losing the match was having so many turnovers. Anadolu Efes has a potential to make more surprises with the squad it has.

It was such great match to watch. Agree that turnovers was main factor, but I think it was caused by that this game didn't had much importance for Fenerbahche, while for Efes it was do or die game. And now they have everything in their hands, they just need to beat Cvena Zvezda on final round and they don't have to look at other results. Few months ago it was difficultto see such scenario.

Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on April 05, 2024, 01:20:14 AM

29 point home loss in this type of do or die game, against the 2nd weakest team in the league, is just a disgrace. There are no other words for that.
It's funny how close all the teams on the top of the table are this season. Real of course is not included in this. Grin

Nothing surprising that coach Mumbru was sacked after such fiasco.
Real is on another level, bt I remind fact that in current format Euroleague regular season winner never won Euroleague. Maybe this year historey will be rewritten. Today they lost to Baskonia. It was crucial game for Baskonia, while Real is preparing for El Clasico in ACB league.

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While Fenerbahçe had the chance to push Anadolu Efes out of the tournament they couldn't took advantage of it. In the last moments of the last quarter Rodrigue Beaubois' two three-pointers were very critical. In my opinion the main reason of Fenerbahçe's losing the match was having so many turnovers. Anadolu Efes has a potential to make more surprises with the squad it has.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on April 04, 2024, 03:41:01 PM

We have two more teams eliminated from play-in race - Zalgiris and Valencia is out after loses tonight. WTF happened to Valencia? You have decisive game against one of weakest Euroleague teams ASVEL. And then you lose game by more than 20 points. At one moment they were down by 39 points. How it's even possible.
Zalgiris lost to Monaco, but even after that they had tiny chances remaining. But after Partizan win against Alba they're officially out.

29 point home loss in this type of do or die game, against the 2nd weakest team in the league, is just a disgrace. There are no other words for that.
It's funny how close all the teams on the top of the table are this season. Real of course is not included in this. Grin

But 2nd to 6th place are just separated by 1 win. Shows how competitive this season is.

Excited for the playoffs. If Fener keeps this way of playing up I see them in the final 4. The past weeks have really been strong for them!!

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Fenerbahce Beko vs Anadolu Efes
Two Turkish teams will face each other in the Euroleague. Fenerbahce Beko is aiming to be in the top four and has been performing well in the last Euroleague games. Jasikevicius is a genius and despite the fact that Fenerbahce doesn't have the best roster, he is getting the best out of the team. Fenerbahce is the most productive team in the Euroleague and that's thanks to Jasikevicius.

For Anadolu Efes, this game could be an opportunity. Efes will definitely want to win this game after a week in which their play-in rivals lost. Fenerbahce Beko is a team that uses its home court advantage very well. Anadolu Efes can have problems on defense at times and Fenerbahce can take advantage of that. With fan support and home court advantage, I expect a win for Fenerbahce Beko.

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