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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 30, 2023, 11:23:34 AM

Today we have 2 big games in local leagues. Panathinaikos - Olympiacos and another Belgrade derby in less than week - Partizan - Crvena Zvezda at Stark Arena. My money is on Partizan again,

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we have won it again
it was a different match dough, decided on 2nd quarter, and pretty much without chances for Zvezda in second half

good to see two wins over arch rival in few days, hopefully it will mark better form in Euroleague in November, tough away match against Baskonia on Friday is incoming

Fener vs Olympiakos is probably best match this round

Sure was a decent wir for Partizan.
They somehow bodged the 1st quarter but in the 2nd they finally played like they were supposed to be.
After they were up 19 Red star made a big run and closed it to as many as 6 points, I was already a bit worried because before the match I made a decent bet on Partizan this time.

But in the end it was smooth sailing, always leading between 7-10 points. Big derby win.

Surprisingly Olympiacos lost at home to Pana, I still have to watch the highlights of that game. I could imagine Olympiacos fans must have been pretty upset at the end!

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 30, 2023, 11:23:34 AM

Today we have 2 big games in local leagues. Panathinaikos - Olympiacos and another Belgrade derby in less than week - Partizan - Crvena Zvezda at Stark Arena. My money is on Partizan again,

-snip

we have won it again
it was a different match dough, decided on 2nd quarter, and pretty much without chances for Zvezda in second half

good to see two wins over arch rival in few days, hopefully it will mark better form in Euroleague in November, tough away match against Baskonia on Friday is incoming

Fener vs Olympiakos is probably best match this round

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 30, 2023, 11:23:34 AM

Today we have 2 big games in local leagues. Panathinaikos - Olympiacos and another Belgrade derby in less than week - Partizan - Crvena Zvezda at Stark Arena. My money is on Partizan again, while it seems that bookmakers don't have much faith in PAO, odds for Oly is such low.
Seems that another change of coach in Euroleague is inevitable. I watched a bit how Baskonia had no chance against Andorra yesterday and chair of Penarroya is very hot. At first it looked more like joke, but there is serious talks Dusko Ivanovic would replace him. It would be already 4th when he manage Baskonia and I can't remember anything similar.
EDIT Dusko to Baskonia is official now. https://twitter.com/BasketNews_com/status/1719024134414282772

Winter time in Europe means the games will now start even later for me here in Japan.
But I want to watch a bit of the 2nd Belgrade clash in within 1 week so I will stay up a bit longer. 4am is still exhausting.

3 coaches already gone after so view game days into the season really is surprising. But when you can't deliver results it seem like this can go fast these days.
I'm not surprised Dusko found a new home that fast though.

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Today we have 2 big games in local leagues. Panathinaikos - Olympiacos and another Belgrade derby in less than week - Partizan - Crvena Zvezda at Stark Arena. My money is on Partizan again, while it seems that bookmakers don't have much faith in PAO, odds for Oly is such low.
Seems that another change of coach in Euroleague is inevitable. I watched a bit how Baskonia had no chance against Andorra yesterday and chair of Penarroya is very hot. At first it looked more like joke, but there is serious talks Dusko Ivanovic would replace him. It would be already 4th when he manage Baskonia and I can't remember anything similar.
EDIT Dusko to Baskonia is official now. https://twitter.com/BasketNews_com/status/1719024134414282772

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 26, 2023, 04:09:44 PM

Belgrade derby was fantastic.
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El Clasico was good too.

both matches had similar turnarounds

Barca started great, as Partizan, than Real and Zvezda took their charge in the middle (2nd and 3rd quarter), and then Barca and Partizan were back for fourth quarter
it was just that Barca didn't win

Aleksa 3-pointer was something special, and he is proving his class match to match
atmosphere was above expectations

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Quote from: CLS63 on October 26, 2023, 05:18:25 PM

As Efes' stadium is very close to my home I watched the most of their home matches in the Euroleague at the stadium. They are really having problems at inside defending. They absolutely need to transfer a center. Otherwise this team can't make it to final four and not even play-offs.

In the El-Clasico I think the referees made a wrong decision on the foul given in favour of Barca in the last second. Fortunately Satoransky missed the free-throw and justice has been served.

Oh wow, that's cool. I envy you! I have actually never seen an Euroleague game in person in the arena, just a lot of game on my computer. Grin

I have seen NBA, NCAA, world cup, domestic leagues in German, France, China, Japan, Philippines and so on, but Euroleague sure is missing. I have to do that at some point.

Yesterday's comeback by Crvena Zvezda was special. I was thinking about betting on micro odds when Partizan was up 11 with something over 4min to go, thank god I didn't do it.
Seems like this season anything is possible as we have already seen plenty of 4th quarter comeback in such a few games played so far.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 26, 2023, 04:09:44 PM

Belgrade derby was fantastic. How powerful Partizan started game, but then Crvena Azvezda made response and they had control of game in 3rd quarter, having double digit lead. Zvezda changed their coach, but one thing doesn't changes - they play awful in 4th quarters. Aleksa Avramovic - what a performance in 4th quarter, he is main reason why Partizan won. While in other side, Teodosic, most experienced player missingfree throws, making brick shots...
El Clasico was good too. Real didn't played well, made just 2 3-pointers from 22, but they controlled game until Barca made comeback. Barca even had chance to send game to OT, but Satoransky missed free throws. And that call was questionable because it didn't looked like was trying to make attempt from half court and he was just looking for a foul. So, now Real is only undefeated team.
Monaco 107-79 Maccabi, wtf was that? Monaco was favorite, but didn't saw such huge result coming. Olympiacos also had unexpected easy game against Efes.

So happy with final result in the belgrade derby. My team won barely in the end. We started the game so hot with 15 points adv and dropped it all then went 13 points behind and won the match in the very end with some incredible shots from Aleksa Avramovic. Not saying this because its my home team but this atmosfere is out of this world,nobody is even close.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 26, 2023, 04:09:44 PM

Belgrade derby was fantastic. How powerful Partizan started game, but then Crvena Azvezda made response and they had control of game in 3rd quarter, having double digit lead. Zvezda changed their coach, but one thing doesn't changes - they play awful in 4th quarters. Aleksa Avramovic - what a performance in 4th quarter, he is main reason why Partizan won. While in other side, Teodosic, most experienced player missingfree throws, making brick shots...
El Clasico was good too. Real didn't played well, made just 2 3-pointers from 22, but they controlled game until Barca made comeback. Barca even had chance to send game to OT, but Satoransky missed free throws. And that call was questionable because it didn't looked like was trying to make attempt from half court and he was just looking for a foul. So, now Real is only undefeated team.
Monaco 107-79 Maccabi, wtf was that? Monaco was favorite, but didn't saw such huge result coming. Olympiacos also had unexpected easy game against Efes.

As Efes' stadium is very close to my home I watched the most of their home matches in the Euroleague at the stadium. They are really having problems at inside defending. They absolutely need to transfer a center. Otherwise this team can't make it to final four and not even play-offs.

In the El-Clasico I think the referees made a wrong decision on the foul given in favour of Barca in the last second. Fortunately Satoransky missed the free-throw and justice has been served.

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Belgrade derby was fantastic. How powerful Partizan started game, but then Crvena Azvezda made response and they had control of game in 3rd quarter, having double digit lead. Zvezda changed their coach, but one thing doesn't changes - they play awful in 4th quarters. Aleksa Avramovic - what a performance in 4th quarter, he is main reason why Partizan won. While in other side, Teodosic, most experienced player missingfree throws, making brick shots...
El Clasico was good too. Real didn't played well, made just 2 3-pointers from 22, but they controlled game until Barca made comeback. Barca even had chance to send game to OT, but Satoransky missed free throws. And that call was questionable because it didn't looked like was trying to make attempt from half court and he was just looking for a foul. So, now Real is only undefeated team.
Monaco 107-79 Maccabi, wtf was that? Monaco was favorite, but didn't saw such huge result coming. Olympiacos also had unexpected easy game against Efes.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on October 23, 2023, 10:35:45 PM

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My prediction was even better for Partizan, they have been down the entire game at Mega Basket, even by as much as 20 points, in the end losing only by 2.

it was a worst 25 minutes that Partizan had played lately, and we eventually equalize minute before the end, but could not win it (end didn't deserved it as well)
Dusko Ivanovic lost contact with players (mostly Teodosic), and that costed him position, start in Euroleague is below expectations as well

derby on Thursday is a must win for Partizan, playing with our crowd (both teams play in the same hall, but no away visitors), but with three loses in a row, it is hard to be very optimistic before it

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 24, 2023, 01:26:42 PM

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Edit: Just saw a video that Dusko Ivanovic at Red star has been fired. Man the club is on fire already.

For me it's strange decision to sack coach just after few games, especially when team doesn't looks that bad. But I read that Ivanovic lost locker room. He will be replaced Ioannis Sfairopoulos, what is good choice IMO.
Another team that already changed coach is ASVEL. Tony Parker sacked his brother T.J. and I think it had to be done long time ago. They wanted to sign Gordy Herbert who won recent World Cup, but German Federation didn't let him to take this job. So, they appointed The Atomic Fly Gianmarco Pozzecco. Not sure that he will improve ASVEL results, but watching their games will be more interesting.
Already can't wait for Thursday when we will have Belgrade derby between Partizan and Crvena Zvezda and El Clasico in Madrid later. It's good that it will be possible to watch both matches in full without jumping through channels as Euroleague often likes to make best games on same time.

Just watched Eurocup game between Wolves and Besiktas and saw one of craziest comebacks recently. With 45 seconds remaining Beskitas had 7 points lead and they managed to waste it. Wow!

I watched that as well.
It was even more crazy since it was 30sec to go up 7 points plus Besiktas HAD THE BALL, and then losing. How is that even possible, haha.
Actually I made a small bet on the Wolfes since the odds were so good but in the middle of the 3rd when they somehow fell apart and threw away the nice lead they had all game I cashed out with a small loss.

Needless to say I wasn't so happy seeing them getting the miracle win at the end, haha.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on October 23, 2023, 10:35:45 PM

Edit: Just saw a video that Dusko Ivanovic at Red star has been fired. Man the club is on fire already.

For me it's strange decision to sack coach just after few games, especially when team doesn't looks that bad. But I read that Ivanovic lost locker room. He will be replaced Ioannis Sfairopoulos, what is good choice IMO.
Another team that already changed coach is ASVEL. Tony Parker sacked his brother T.J. and I think it had to be done long time ago. They wanted to sign Gordy Herbert who won recent World Cup, but German Federation didn't let him to take this job. So, they appointed The Atomic Fly Gianmarco Pozzecco. Not sure that he will improve ASVEL results, but watching their games will be more interesting.
Already can't wait for Thursday when we will have Belgrade derby between Partizan and Crvena Zvezda and El Clasico in Madrid later. It's good that it will be possible to watch both matches in full without jumping through channels as Euroleague often likes to make best games on same time.

Just watched Eurocup game between Wolves and Besiktas and saw one of craziest comebacks recently. With 45 seconds remaining Beskitas had 7 points lead and they managed to waste it. Wow!

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Yesterday I took 2 risky bets and 1 of them worked out.

Usually when there is a double game day in Euroleague the participating teams kind of struggle or take it slow the following weekend in their domestic league.
That's what happened last night in the ABA league with Partizan and Red star.
Red star managed to win the game at FMP Beograd but despite being a 14 point favourite FMP even had a 1 point lead in the 4th before at the end losing by 11, still they covered. I bet FMP moneyline small (which I lost and handicap +14,5 which won.

My prediction was even better for Partizan, they have been down the entire game at Mega Basket, even by as much as 20 points, in the end losing only by 2.
I got the +12,5 handicap for FMP and the money line with 6,8 as well, happy times.

Post double Euroleague game day is where you can make good money guys.

Edit: Just saw a video that Dusko Ivanovic at Red star has been fired. Man the club is on fire already.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 18, 2023, 03:49:33 PM

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There was lot of spectators in Stark arena too, but atmosphere comparing with yesterday's Partizan game was just meh.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 19, 2023, 03:55:45 PM

Olympiacos - Partizan, what a game it was. It should be painful for Partizan to lose when they had double digits lead in 3rd quarter and still had lead most part of 4th quarter.
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not a start we expected but it is a long season, better to win in March/April and losing now than vice versa
nevertheless, not a nice feeling to lose game after having decent advantage, but congrats to Olympiakos

I agree its better that we win later on but didnt expect that we just drop like that a winning game. Before game we didnt expect we were gonna win but after that third quarter i honestly saw a win. Refs killed us with some decisions and i expected from Punter a lot more,so far a bad season for him.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 18, 2023, 03:49:33 PM

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There was lot of spectators in Stark arena too, but atmosphere comparing with yesterday's Partizan game was just meh.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 19, 2023, 03:55:45 PM

Olympiacos - Partizan, what a game it was. It should be painful for Partizan to lose when they had double digits lead in 3rd quarter and still had lead most part of 4th quarter.
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not a start we expected but it is a long season, better to win in March/April and losing now than vice versa
nevertheless, not a nice feeling to lose game after having decent advantage, but congrats to Olympiakos

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Olympiacos - Partizan, what a game it was. It should be painful for Partizan to lose when they had double digits lead in 3rd quarter and still had lead most part of 4th quarter. Nunally sent game to overtime with buzzer beater, but in OT Oly were a bit better. Walkup was one of key players showing elite defense. And of course, Larentzakis
ASVEL had very solid 1st half against Fenerbache, but upset didn't happened, they lost second half 31:59 and stays in bottom of Euroleague. I think it was last game for T.J. Parker as ASVEL coach.
Very solid Zalgiris win against Baskonia, they had quite big lead most part of game.

Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on October 18, 2023, 08:24:55 PM

I had a small parley going with also euroleague woman, Fenerbahce playing in Zaragoza. The odds were 1.01 on Fener and i used it as a filler, with 3:30min to go they were down 6 and it was the last game in the parley, I was cursing, haha.
But in the end the managed to squeeze out a win, I will never use a filler again. Grin

My poor heart.

Eurocup and euroleague of woman also had some nice surprises and big odds, crazy day.

Damn, women Euroleague and Eurocup is a bit too much for me, simply don't have time for it, only try follow when club from my country is playing. While Champions league and Eurocup, follow it actively, unfortunately my club in BCL lost opening game yesterday.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 18, 2023, 03:49:33 PM

Monaco bounced back after huge loss last week and won against Crvena Zvezda away. We saw debut of Kemba Walker, but he haven't done anything significant and scored 2 points. There was lot of spectators in Stark arena too, but atmosphere comparing with yesterday's Partizan game was just meh. Valencia got already 3rd win after beating Maccabi at home. But I still wouldn't get hyped on their results, they got all 3 wins at home and Maccabi after what's happening in Israel isn't in great situation.
Didn't saw Milan - Olympiacos game, how the hell Milan managed to let Oly to score just 53 points? Wow. Real Zalgiris was game of different level teams. Zalgiris was without one of key players Butkevicius, with him I think it would be different game. Zalgiris need to find replacement for Brazdeikis ASAP. They have lot of money after Olympiacos paid for transfer, but it's difficult to find high level player in market right now.
Double week will continue tomorrow and most interesting game on Thursday will be Olympiacos - Partizan.

Monaco really surprised me as well.

To be honest yesterday I focussed on eurocup, champions league and europe league since there were some interesting games.
Lot of surprises and high odds on away teams, also with big comebacks in the forth and so on.

I had a small parley going with also euroleague woman, Fenerbahce playing in Zaragoza. The odds were 1.01 on Fener and i used it as a filler, with 3:30min to go they were down 6 and it was the last game in the parley, I was cursing, haha.
But in the end the managed to squeeze out a win, I will never use a filler again. Grin

My poor heart.

Eurocup and euroleague of woman also had some nice surprises and big odds, crazy day.

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Monaco bounced back after huge loss last week and won against Crvena Zvezda away. We saw debut of Kemba Walker, but he haven't done anything significant and scored 2 points. There was lot of spectators in Stark arena too, but atmosphere comparing with yesterday's Partizan game was just meh. Valencia got already 3rd win after beating Maccabi at home. But I still wouldn't get hyped on their results, they got all 3 wins at home and Maccabi after what's happening in Israel isn't in great situation.
Didn't saw Milan - Olympiacos game, how the hell Milan managed to let Oly to score just 53 points? Wow. Real Zalgiris was game of different level teams. Zalgiris was without one of key players Butkevicius, with him I think it would be different game. Zalgiris need to find replacement for Brazdeikis ASAP. They have lot of money after Olympiacos paid for transfer, but it's difficult to find high level player in market right now.
Double week will continue tomorrow and most interesting game on Thursday will be Olympiacos - Partizan.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on October 17, 2023, 10:03:01 AM

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But if I had to bet then it would definitely be Partizan!!

home opener pressure was too much for Partizan tonight
Barcelona got up in just before halftime, and finished it without giving Partizan too much to hope for

atmosphere in Arena was something special, player announcements on high-level, in complete black and white
and crowd above expectations, it was just a win that was missing, but it will be better

Real Madrid is finishing Zalgiris as of now, 15+ in last quarter

Seems like it.
Sometimes even the best atmosphere can be pressure for yourself.
It surprised me that Belgrade took so few shots from 3 in this game. They only took 12 (made 4) while Barca too 20 more shots and made 13.
In every other aspect the game was quite even, Barce just made more of their opportunities I guess.

Even though the German core of Bayern didn't play well they managed to get their first away win this season afte a comeback and a huge 19:6 4th quarter. They went from 52:62 to 76:68 in the last 11 minutes of the game, in an away game that's quite impressive!
Other than this small surprise there wasn't much more yesterday. I also followed Champions league and Eurocup which had some nice games and surprises. European basketball is in full swing now. Grin

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on October 17, 2023, 10:03:01 AM

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But if I had to bet then it would definitely be Partizan!!

home opener pressure was too much for Partizan tonight
Barcelona got up in just before halftime, and finished it without giving Partizan too much to hope for

atmosphere in Arena was something special, player announcements on high-level, in complete black and white
and crowd above expectations, it was just a win that was missing, but it will be better

Real Madrid is finishing Zalgiris as of now, 15+ in last quarter

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