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October 13, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
#33
The formation that is going on with Coinabul, CryptoXChange, and BitcoinMedia does not sit well for some reason. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.573519 ?
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October 13, 2011, 08:48:14 PM
#32
I'll be posting an interview with Coinabul's founder Jay Shore today on BitTalk.tv. If you're interested, watch the interview and see if it helps answer any questions.

Please don't turn all Bruce on us.


Have no fear, I don't drink the cool-aid.



if you haven't interviewed him yet, ask him about the address and why he chose it.
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October 13, 2011, 08:26:41 PM
#31
I'll be posting an interview with Coinabul's founder Jay Shore today on BitTalk.tv. If you're interested, watch the interview and see if it helps answer any questions.

Please don't turn all Bruce on us.

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Who, here, echo the sentiment that this is a mute issue? Go on record with a post to this thread voicing your opinion.

I don't think that using a generic registration address is damning in and of itself.  It's actually pretty common in a lot of places for businesses to use the addresses of their accountants or lawyers as their "formal" address, especially if they don't have actual offices.  There are also lots of businesses which sell shelf (and sometimes shell) companies and sometimes the details don't get changed when they are sold.

This one is probably a "wait and see" - it's not like there's any kind of urgency for people to use new services the minute they open for business.
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October 13, 2011, 08:13:20 PM
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Who, here, echo the sentiment that this is a mute issue? Go on record with a post to this thread voicing your opinion.
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October 13, 2011, 03:54:10 PM
#29

Any particular reason you opted to want to know more about me or my brother-in-law that does the leather tooling of which he did three seats for Steven Tyler's motorcycles?



I met his daughter while working out at the Space Center. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm  Along with Bruce Willis (dude came off as an a-hole btw) ;p
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October 13, 2011, 03:15:27 PM
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@Phinnaeus Gage

I might be interested in buying one of your custom leather wallets, but first I'd like to know your full name, address, phone number, criminal background check, social security number, employment history, credit report, medical records, fingerprints, DNA sample and stool sample    Tongue

Any particular reason you opted to want to know more about me or my brother-in-law that does the leather tooling of which he did three seats for Steven Tyler's motorcycles?

Like I've stated before, I'm pretty easy to find here in Sandwich, Illinois. Come on down and enjoy a cup of coffee with me. I will give you everything you request, but I somehow think you're not in the market for any product I have to offer--barn wood by me or tooled leather by Martin.

Therefore, let's get back on point. You, JohnnyCashout, came here specifically to post your remark toward me, caring less about how this thread may or may not effect the Bitcoin community. What gives? Thank you for joining the choir, but I feel you're singing off key.

I started this thread to help the Bitcoin community as a whole, and not trying to add some type of feather to my hat. If I'm off base, kindly show me where I err.

In light of what I've already introduced concerning Coinabul, do you (members here) feel comfortable conducting future business with them?

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October 13, 2011, 02:53:42 PM
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@Phinnaeus Gage

I might be interested in a stool sample    Tongue

fixed it for you.. And, make sure its fresh, damnit!  Tongue
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October 13, 2011, 02:44:15 PM
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@Phinnaeus Gage

I might be interested in buying one of your custom leather wallets, but first I'd like to know your full name, address, phone number, criminal background check, social security number, employment history, credit report, medical records, fingerprints, DNA sample and stool sample    Tongue
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October 13, 2011, 02:14:48 PM
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have we not learned that when there's smoke there's usually fire?

Well then, please don't bogart all that smoke. Fire it back up and pass it around.

http://coinabul.com/index.php/terms-of-service

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Conditions of Use  By using the Coinabul website or any other service provided by Coinabul, you implicitly agree to the following Conditions of Use.

http://www.goldeneaglecoin.com/Display/Conditions_of_Use

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By using the Golden Eagle Coins website or any other service provided by Golden Eagle Coins, you implicitly agree to the following Conditions of Use.

...and new on the list:

http://www.fortknoxmetals.com/pages/Conditions-of-Use.html

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By using the Fort Knox Metals website or any other service provided by Fort Knox Metals, you implicitly agree to the following Conditions of Use.

The rest of the body content of all three sites reads virtually the same--mostly only the company names have changed.

Now, refresh my memory. What happened to that last exchange that used C&P in place of copywriting?

For those reading this while driving, here's the link to the NPR audio on 2710 Thomes Avenue: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=137573513&m=137579324

A very interesting segment, I may add.

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October 13, 2011, 01:05:29 PM
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I likes cheese!   Kiss
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October 13, 2011, 12:58:38 PM
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have we not learned that when there's smoke there's usually fire?
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October 13, 2011, 12:55:40 PM
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i've always thought you were a little bit of a kook but this one is good. 

anyone who intentionally seeks out a such a shady entity is trying to hide something. 

Morning, cypherdoc. I'm withholding a response to your comment, for I'm not sure if it's directed towards me or at the post immediately above it. Please clarify if you desire a comeback from me.

Bruno

its a compliment.  the rib is for the MyBitcoin identity thread chase you put up during the summer. Wink
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October 13, 2011, 11:48:27 AM
#21
That address is famous for having a ridiculous amount of businesses located there. There is even a show or short piece on it on TV.
He most likely got roped into a do it all service online like Matt Wright said.


I having a hard time figuring out who the "He" is.

It looks like others got "roped" into using the same address: http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%222710+thomes+avenue%22+%22Pavlo+Lazarenko%22

Damn! His name is off by one letter, otherwise I would have linked Pavlov's dog into the mix. Sorry, Bierka.

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October 13, 2011, 11:33:09 AM
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Probably just not interested in bad publicity.
+1.

We're getting an office space ASAP. The Wyoming incorporation service was mainly for tax reasons and to get the site off the ground. I apologize if you got the wrong idea because of it. We're working to provide as trustworthy and secure of a service as possible.

Edit: The phone number is up on the main page. We changed it so international callers could reach us as well.

Bad publicity from what? Why was the WhoIs changed at the same time?


Bad publicity from you Mr. Gage. Smiley As for the WhoIs, I assumed it was private the entire time, but we recently switched over our nameservers to an anti-ddos system. That might have done it? We're still using the address for any emails we send out (per CAN-SPAM regulations.)


What is the point of this thread? It's interesting that it follows a major ddos attack wave. Is there an implied accusation?

I guess at this point the thread is pretty long, to long to read in a short period of time, so I guess it's time for a synopsis.

A member of this forum, who has a vested interested in Bitcoin, desires to know why a Bitcoin related company uses an address in Wyoming known for "shell companies"--businesses that exist almost exclusively on paper. As a tax haven, any other address would have worked in Wyoming, but this one was specifically chosen. Why?

http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%222710+Thomes+Ave%22
 
Hope that bought you up to speed. Sorry for the long description, but I had to hash out this explanation from this mighty long thread.



OK, thanks. I don't know what "shell companies are. Are they illegal or illegitimate somehow? I wasn't aware that there are tax havens in the USA. There are a few states that have low incorporation fees and also low tax rates. Just because a particular business is successful because it offers low rates for services, doesn't mean that it is violating any laws. If the Wyoming business is conducting illegal activities, perhaps law enforcement should be contacted? Personally, I would trust a company with a Wyoming corporation over one in the Cayman Islands, UAE, or several other offshore corporate tax havens.

Morning, cbeast. I had a feeling that this post may be torn apart when I penned it, but I went and posted it nonetheless. I was tired when I wrote it, therefore allow me to take another shot at it. But before I do, I'm pretty sure you meant, "OK, thanks. I didn't know what "shell commpanies" were." I take that as a smart ass comment towards me, sinnce I offered up a description of shell companies in my first sentence preceded by a dash.

You are correct. Haven is the wrong word. Some corporations set up entities in Wyoming for other reasons. Like Matthew kindly pointed out, it probably was only for tax purposes.

That said, the following is a revised post:

A member of this forum, who has a vested interested in Bitcoin, desires to know why a Bitcoin related company uses an address in Wyoming known for dubious activities. Why, pray tell, was 2710 Tomes Ave. specifically chosen when ten of thousand other addresses could have sufficed in that state for tax purposes?

Allow me to add the following to the above:

I'm sure that a handful of bright fellows put Coinabul together. Are they now telling me that not a single one of them was bright enough to Google "2710 Thomes Ave." and say among themselves, "Hey, I don't think we should use that address"?

Therefore, allow me to do it for them: http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%222710+Thomes+Ave.%22

Shit! My bad! Almost a quarter of a million results. Surely with so many companies using that address, it must be a good one. Good choice!

I want to make one thing perfectly clear: I'm not trying to cannibalize Coinabul, but:



What I've found to date is leaving a bad taste in my month. There were warning signs for other Bitcoin entities which have now fallen to the wayside because members here did not heed the warnings.

I'm not trying to be a thorn. If I wrong, I want Coinablu to blossom.



But I'll be God Damned if there's another Bitcoin acceptance company jockeying for position to harm this community.

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October 13, 2011, 10:49:39 AM
#19
That address is famous for having a ridiculous amount of businesses located there. There is even a show or short piece on it on TV.
He most likely got roped into a do it all service online like Matt Wright said.
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October 13, 2011, 10:35:35 AM
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i've always thought you were a little bit of a kook but this one is good. 

anyone who intentionally seeks out a such a shady entity is trying to hide something. 

Morning, cypherdoc. I'm withholding a response to your comment, for I'm not sure if it's directed towards me or at the post immediately above it. Please clarify if you desire a comeback from me.

Bruno
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October 13, 2011, 10:33:43 AM
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i've always thought you were a little bit of a kook but this one is good. 

anyone who intentionally seeks out a such a shady entity is trying to hide something. 

It's probably less dubious than all that. It was probably on online incorporation service and that online site that files the paperwork provided their office space as an address or something.

(Just a theory)

do a simple Google search for online incorporating.  see how many thousands come up before this type.
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October 13, 2011, 07:52:06 AM
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i've always thought you were a little bit of a kook but this one is good. 

anyone who intentionally seeks out a such a shady entity is trying to hide something. 
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October 13, 2011, 06:58:53 AM
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It's probably less dubious than all that. It was probably on online incorporation service and that online site that files the paperwork provided their office space as an address or something.

(Just a theory)
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October 13, 2011, 05:22:47 AM
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Probably just not interested in bad publicity.
+1.

We're getting an office space ASAP. The Wyoming incorporation service was mainly for tax reasons and to get the site off the ground. I apologize if you got the wrong idea because of it. We're working to provide as trustworthy and secure of a service as possible.

Edit: The phone number is up on the main page. We changed it so international callers could reach us as well.

Bad publicity from what? Why was the WhoIs changed at the same time?


Bad publicity from you Mr. Gage. Smiley As for the WhoIs, I assumed it was private the entire time, but we recently switched over our nameservers to an anti-ddos system. That might have done it? We're still using the address for any emails we send out (per CAN-SPAM regulations.)


What is the point of this thread? It's interesting that it follows a major ddos attack wave. Is there an implied accusation?

I guess at this point the thread is pretty long, to long to read in a short period of time, so I guess it's time for a synopsis.

A member of this forum, who has a vested interested in Bitcoin, desires to know why a Bitcoin related company uses an address in Wyoming known for "shell companies"--businesses that exist almost exclusively on paper. As a tax haven, any other address would have worked in Wyoming, but this one was specifically chosen. Why?

http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%222710+Thomes+Ave%22
 
Hope that bought you up to speed. Sorry for the long description, but I had to hash out this explanation from this mighty long thread.



OK, thanks. I don't know what "shell companies are. Are they illegal or illegitimate somehow? I wasn't aware that there are tax havens in the USA. There are a few states that have low incorporation fees and also low tax rates. Just because a particular business is successful because it offers low rates for services, doesn't mean that it is violating any laws. If the Wyoming business is conducting illegal activities, perhaps law enforcement should be contacted? Personally, I would trust a company with a Wyoming corporation over one in the Cayman Islands, UAE, or several other offshore corporate tax havens.
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