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its an modded font by me

There are some sharp looking designs here, wow.

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THE ENTIRE JOB is coloring a pretty picture.  Many people are willing to do that for free for the chance of making money.  Not everyone is willing to reach their hand into your poop on the chance of making money; they want a guarantee that touching poop will yield them profit.  There are people who are willing to draw for free, with only a chance at profit.  You are calling for them not to be willing to do that.  What makes you think you will be successful, or that your call is even warranted?



But you CAN make a design without training, and its value is subjective.  Plumbing is objective; either it works or it does not.  Not so with design.  One man may love a design that another man hates.  Therefore your analogy doesn't fit, regardless of whether my analogy to musicians fits or not.


Violence is the antithesis of free markets.  Do you even know what the definition of free markets is?  Free markets are voluntary associations.  Stabbing me would not technically or practically be a market force because I did not consent to the stabbing. 

You are on your soap box, and it's unbecoming.  If you don't approve, don't participate.

This right here. We made our submission, disliked how he ran it, pulled out. It's as simple as that. Nobody is going around murdering everyone who doesn't take part, so there's no real place for going on and on about how bad it is. Either you do it or you don't; it's as simple as that. In my case, I thought we'd be a good fit because he wanted something *custom*. I didn't realize he was simply asking for someone to type "Flibbr" into a word processor and flip through fonts to look for a nice one, XD.

You say my example is inadequate then make up an even more absurd one yourself? An audition is a SAMPLE. He is asking for THE ENTIRE JOB to be done FREE. Untrained designers in general produce shit, degrading not only the quality of the craft but the industry as a whole. If you aren't a designer you might not even know what is wrong with a design until you are trained. Sorry bud, but the market does lots of violent things to people, it doesn't make it correct, or even OK. I could stab you and steal your wallet, and technically that would be a market force, but I doubt you would side with the will of "market forces" on this one. Additionally, I find the activity in this thread to be extra onerous because it comes from some one who claims to be socially conscious.

Hello there and good luck to your web site.

Musicians have to audition, right?  They're giving you their work for free.

Artists live and work in a different realm than a lot of people.  Plumbing is not subjective.  Either the pipes are clogged or they aren't; you don't need to evaluate their work.

Sorry bud, but the market disagrees with you.  There are design artists that didn't spend a day in school studying design; they just know instinctively how to draw.  If they're good, they make money.  So there's a plus side too.  Plumbers have to know what they are doing.  They can't just doodle a drain unclogged in their spare time.

It's voluntary. He made an offer. Nobody is obligated to do any work for him. If they do, they do it voluntarily.

Side question: Do you support the Minimum Wage?

You are always voting; when OP sees that, not only does he like the design, but others as well, he knows he has made the right decision, for that is what people will recognize on the site as something representative and memorable.  It's perfectly okay that you disagree with me, of course; I can see what you mean, but so long as the person knows that it's actually flibbr, the unusual connection doesn't make too big a deal.


I have to agree with TECSHARE here; professional artists spend thousands of hours refining their skill, and 2 BTC is well worth the service that professionals on here will accept as payment for a logo; the contest, it seems, just dangles the BTC on a string and makes professionals and amateurs alike dance for it.  Certainly, if the only freelance work available to the artist are "contests", then that is what he has to do, but it's certainly not fun; at the core of the matter, it's free work for the client, sometimes without any guarantee that someone will be paid at all:


But to be frank, the artist who bites is just as well a fool, so I don't feel sorry for them, even if you do.

Imagine this scenario:

"I need a prostitute, but I'm not sure which one I might like.  Therefore, I will hold a contest to see which prostitute provides their service the best, but if I don't like any of you, sorry."

There isn't a prostitute in the world who would buy this.  Is the artist's time and effort worth less than a prostitute's?  Only if he allows it so.

I will not, because it is true. A lot of designers work very hard spending years to study the field just to have their pay constantly devalued by people such as yourself scraping the bottom of the barrel and wasting more than a dozen peoples time because you don't want to pick one person to do the job. If you need some plumbing done do you call 12 plumbers and tell them the first one that gets it done right gets paid, and then not pay the rest? That's not how it works in the rest of the employment world, why is it ok for designers?

This is the same kind of prejudice applied to IT people on the job. Employers think is is a matter of punching a few keys and the computer does the rest. Easy peasy right? This kind of opinion comes purely from a place of ignorance, and you get what you pay for as demonstrated by the submissions so far (no offense guys I am sure you'd polish them up if he'd pay you). This kind of practice hurts ALL DESIGNERS CUMULATIVELY, and part of voluntarism is not causing harm to others, which you are. It is easy to support ideals when it costs you nothing.

Didn't realize we were voting... not too keen on the FL looking like an 'A', it looks good and all but not something I would want as a logo. But what do I know?

My vote's on Jan's design.

http://i.imm.io/1gdSl.png

http://i.imm.io/1gdSv.png

Well here are my attempts:

Working on a few others, but ran out of time to work on them at the moment  


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Many thanks ...