[4+ EH] Slush Pool (slushpool.com); Overt AsicBoost; World First Mining Pool - page 117.

dkaufman

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Quote from: kkurtmann on April 01, 2015, 01:53:15 PM

So... Chance and luck are different things?

Of course! The word "chance" has gambling connotations, while the word "luck" is loaded with superstitious undertones :-) The only difference comes from the perspective of the person you ask.

The generic term, the mathematical term, is probability. I guess the guy who thinks payout from different pools on different days are controlled by "chance" had a dad who played the ponies. While the guy who calls it "luck" had a mom who believed her horoscope, threw salt over her shoulder and knocked on wood for "good luck".

My mom was an engineer -- I call it probability.

thanks,

-dave

who *did* have step dad who played the ponies, and a grandmother who pitched salt -- so don't go getting all offended, now

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So... Chance and luck are different things?

ezeminer

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Lie down. Have a cookie

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Is this still a good pool ?

It continues to payout.

It has a community that helps develop it.

So in my opinion yes it is a good pool.

pekatete

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Quote from: Mikestang on March 30, 2015, 03:20:43 PM

Quote from: pekatete on March 30, 2015, 03:08:20 PM

Pool luck is just that and, theoretically, not influenced by hash speeds / rates.

Call it what you want, it's still just math. There is no such thing as "pool luck", in fact there's no such thing as "luck" at all, it's something humans made up. A pool may "seem lucky" from time to time, but that's just math at work. You can check all the bitcoin code and you won't find luck in there anywhere, but you will find lots of math.

Quote from: pekatete on March 30, 2015, 03:08:20 PM

Maths may be the basis of the blockchain / algorithm, but luck ~~decides~~ determines who finds (and reports to the blockchain) "the block" first.

Nope, no luck in play there either. Chance determines who reports first. You may call the finder "lucky", but luck had nothing to do with it (since it doesn't exist).

There is no such thing as "pool luck" .... Chance (and not luck) determines who reports first ...... OK, you win!

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Quote from: pekatete on March 30, 2015, 03:08:20 PM

Pool luck is just that and, theoretically, not influenced by hash speeds / rates.

Call it what you want, it's still just math. There is no such thing as "pool luck", in fact there's no such thing as "luck" at all, it's something humans made up. A pool may "seem lucky" from time to time, but that's just math at work. You can check all the bitcoin code and you won't find luck in there anywhere, but you will find lots of math.

Quote from: pekatete on March 30, 2015, 03:08:20 PM

Maths may be the basis of the blockchain / algorithm, but luck ~~decides~~ determines who finds (and reports to the blockchain) "the block" first.

Nope, no luck in play there either. Chance determines who reports first. You may call the finder "lucky", but luck had nothing to do with it (since it doesn't exist).

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Quote from: Mikestang on March 30, 2015, 02:59:54 PM

Quote from: pekatete on March 30, 2015, 12:47:35 PM

I know th theory is "luck" evens out over the long term, but I am begining to believe luck increases the higher the pool hash-rate, and that does not seem to even out in the short to medium term.

That's not luck increasing, that's the result of higher hash rates. Of course a pool with high hash is going to find more blocks, that's math, not luck.

You speak with a hint of ignorance, at least in as far as I have been educated in the art of bitcoin mining. Pool luck is just that and, theoretically, not influenced by hash speeds / rates. That is borne out with the recent prevalence of solo mining "pools", i.e its a lottery! Maths may be the basis of the blockchain / algorithm, but luck ~~decides~~ determines who finds (and reports to the blockchain) "the block" first.

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Quote from: pekatete on March 30, 2015, 12:47:35 PM

I know th theory is "luck" evens out over the long term, but I am begining to believe luck increases the higher the pool hash-rate, and that does not seem to even out in the short to medium term.

That's not luck increasing, that's the result of higher hash rates. Of course a pool with high hash is going to find more blocks, that's math, not luck.

dmeter

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last week slush have extremy luck i earn near 80% more ws calculator i earn 0,5963 BTC in 7 days whit 4,4 th. in next cople days is time to switch to antpool or f2

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Quote from: ezeminer on March 30, 2015, 12:34:05 PM

Quote from: bigbitmine on March 30, 2015, 05:56:53 AM

Most of them balance out similar in the end.

Like the three blocks found in an hour period will balance out later on during the week or month.

Truth be told, you earn way more on slush on any average day than on kano.is
I know th theory is "luck" evens out over the long term, but I am begining to believe luck increases the higher the pool hash-rate, and that does not seem to even out in the short to medium term.

ezeminer

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Quote from: bigbitmine on March 30, 2015, 05:56:53 AM

Most of them balance out similar in the end.

Like the three blocks found in an hour period will balance out later on during the week or month.

bigbitmine

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Most of them balance out similar in the end.

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Quote from: kkurtmann on March 26, 2015, 03:27:40 PM

Quote from: swilla on March 24, 2015, 04:38:24 PM

Quote from: ezeminer on March 24, 2015, 03:00:17 AM

Quote from: jeffy1021 on March 23, 2015, 08:05:32 PM

Nice streak again!

Out of curiosity, do you guys split your hashes over different pools? I have about half on Slush and half on BTC Guild for now. I did like the consistently of Antpool (in terms of blocks being found), but with all of the DDoS issues they have been having recently, I've been staying way.

If by splitting on one device? No.
I just set backup pools incase one or two have problems...

I have 4 s3s on slush's and 4 s3s on kano's. Seems to be working out so far.

Which pool has paid more since you started this method?

With slush's I get ~.0035 per round. With kano I get ~.021 per round. I would like to point them all at kano's but I like the way they supplement each other.(Slush is a lot bigger than kano, so does more rounds per day.) So my agenda is to get more rigs instead.

Prelude

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Quote from: dkaufman on March 29, 2015, 12:19:29 PM

Quote from: dkaufman on March 29, 2015, 11:43:06 AM

Quote from: bigbitmine on March 29, 2015, 07:35:52 AM

I use Nicehash (Europe version) and have never had a problem. I just set up a worker just for Nicehash with a min diff of 128 to get the ball rolling. It currently at 33334 diff at 30TH. Runs 24/7. Should be jumping to 50TH soon. Are you using the bot?

Ah, that was the problem -- Westhash is for pools on this (U.S.) side of the pond :-) I switched to nicehash.com and slush seems to be working much better!

No bot, yet. I'm still in training ... :-)

Thanks!

-dave

Ahh darn it. I spoke too soon. The nicehash order was auto-canceled too, after about a half an hour, saying "Action" Cancelled - placeholder order" with a link to their FAQ:

Why was my order canceled (placeholders)?
https://www.nicehash.com/?p=faq#faqb13

Ah well, back to CKPool I guess

thanks,

-dave

Might want to ask in the nicehash thread, not sure if the dev keeps up with all the pool threads.

dkaufman

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Quote from: dkaufman on March 29, 2015, 11:43:06 AM

Quote from: bigbitmine on March 29, 2015, 07:35:52 AM

I use Nicehash (Europe version) and have never had a problem. I just set up a worker just for Nicehash with a min diff of 128 to get the ball rolling. It currently at 33334 diff at 30TH. Runs 24/7. Should be jumping to 50TH soon. Are you using the bot?

Ah, that was the problem -- Westhash is for pools on this (U.S.) side of the pond :-) I switched to nicehash.com and slush seems to be working much better!

No bot, yet. I'm still in training ... :-)

Thanks!

-dave

Ahh darn it. I spoke too soon. The nicehash order was auto-canceled too, after about a half an hour, saying "Action" Cancelled - placeholder order" with a link to their FAQ:

Why was my order canceled (placeholders)?
https://www.nicehash.com/?p=faq#faqb13

Ah well, back to CKPool I guess

thanks,

-dave

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Quote from: dkaufman on March 29, 2015, 11:43:06 AM

Quote from: bigbitmine on March 29, 2015, 07:35:52 AM

I use Nicehash (Europe version) and have never had a problem. I just set up a worker just for Nicehash with a min diff of 128 to get the ball rolling. It currently at 33334 diff at 30TH. Runs 24/7. Should be jumping to 50TH soon. Are you using the bot?

Ah, that was the problem -- Westhash is for pools on this (U.S.) side of the pond :-) I switched to nicehash.com and slush seems to be working much better!

No bot, yet. I'm still in training ... :-)

Thanks!

-dave

Download the bot. It's a game changer. If you want any help just send me a PM.

dkaufman

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Quote from: bigbitmine on March 29, 2015, 07:35:52 AM

I use Nicehash (Europe version) and have never had a problem. I just set up a worker just for Nicehash with a min diff of 128 to get the ball rolling. It currently at 33334 diff at 30TH. Runs 24/7. Should be jumping to 50TH soon. Are you using the bot?

Ah, that was the problem -- Westhash is for pools on this (U.S.) side of the pond :-) I switched to nicehash.com and slush seems to be working much better!

No bot, yet. I'm still in training ... :-)

Thanks!

-dave

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Also, if you're going to rent and use on Slush I recommend you spread your BTC / hash thin so you keep mining 24/7. If you sink your funds into loads of hashing for only a few hours you'll probably lose out if the pool is struggling with a long block.

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Quote from: Prelude on March 29, 2015, 01:31:12 AM

Quote from: dkaufman on March 29, 2015, 12:27:19 AM

I rented some hash power at WestHash tonight (just a little bit: 100TH :-) and pointed the order at Slush's pool tonight and it got auto-canceled after about 15 minutes.

The "Pool verificator" said Slush's pool was compatible, but right after the order started the order status page kept saying something like "pool connection problems, pool diff too low, minimum difficulty is 127" which is a problem, since i have the worker configured for 1024 difficulty pool-side.

Then it started hashing and managed to get up to about 30TH before the order suddenly got auto-canceled. it refunded the charges, which is good at least. I was able to do this last week on CKPool (kano.is)...

Is slush's pool known to work with westhash rented rigs? Is it incompatible?

From this it looks like it should be supported:

Which mining pools are supported?
https://www.westhash.com/index.jsp?p=faq#faqb2

thanks in advance for any insight, tips or tricks!

-dave

Not sure if this was issue, but with 100TH you should set a starting difficulty of about 71000. 1024 is way too low, though vardiff should have kicked it up fairly quickly.

I use Nicehash (Europe version) and have never had a problem. I just set up a worker just for Nicehash with a min diff of 128 to get the ball rolling. It currently at 33334 diff at 30TH. Runs 24/7. Should be jumping to 50TH soon. Are you using the bot?

Prelude

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Quote from: dkaufman on March 29, 2015, 12:27:19 AM

I rented some hash power at WestHash tonight (just a little bit: 100TH :-) and pointed the order at Slush's pool tonight and it got auto-canceled after about 15 minutes.

The "Pool verificator" said Slush's pool was compatible, but right after the order started the order status page kept saying something like "pool connection problems, pool diff too low, minimum difficulty is 127" which is a problem, since i have the worker configured for 1024 difficulty pool-side.

Then it started hashing and managed to get up to about 30TH before the order suddenly got auto-canceled. it refunded the charges, which is good at least. I was able to do this last week on CKPool (kano.is)...

Is slush's pool known to work with westhash rented rigs? Is it incompatible?

From this it looks like it should be supported:

Which mining pools are supported?
https://www.westhash.com/index.jsp?p=faq#faqb2

thanks in advance for any insight, tips or tricks!

-dave

Not sure if this was issue, but with 100TH you should set a starting difficulty of about 71000. 1024 is way too low, though vardiff should have kicked it up fairly quickly.

dkaufman

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I rented some hash power at WestHash tonight (just a little bit: 100TH :-) and pointed the order at Slush's pool tonight and it got auto-canceled after about 15 minutes.

The "Pool verificator" said Slush's pool was compatible, but right after the order started the order status page kept saying something like "pool connection problems, pool diff too low, minimum difficulty is 127" which is a problem, since i have the worker configured for 1024 difficulty pool-side.

Then it started hashing and managed to get up to about 30TH before the order suddenly got auto-canceled. it refunded the charges, which is good at least. I was able to do this last week on CKPool (kano.is)...

Is slush's pool known to work with westhash rented rigs? Is it incompatible?

From this it looks like it should be supported:

Which mining pools are supported?
https://www.westhash.com/index.jsp?p=faq#faqb2

thanks in advance for any insight, tips or tricks!

-dave

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