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full member
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Out of curiosity, why would you rather gamble with trading altcoins instead of putting $40,000 into ASIC's and making thousands of dollars per month without much of the same risk?

They're both gambles though.  With mining, you have to secure the property, which sounds like not much of an issue but in some locations, it is.  And in either case, the volatile value structure of coins makes all of this risky.  And mining is hot and loud and there are substantial power bills to deal with.  And the return on the mining goes down constantly over time.  The return on successful investing goes up over time.  Also hardware failure is a constant risk with mining.

Don't get me wrong, I do both and I'm growing each side of the operation.  But I think I prefer trading so far.
sr. member
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Here's what I'd do:

(Full disclosure: I'm pretty new to mining, crypto, trading, etc.  But I think this is a good plan, it's working for me so far.)

First, buy some BTC, say... $10k worth.

Go to Bittrex, put your BTC in a wallet there.

Buy a bunch of different kinds of alt coins.  Research them first, try to pick good ones, etc etc.  But get a very broad selection of them.  Look for ones that occasionally spike to 150%-200% (or more) of normal level.

Structure your automatic sells so if you buy 5 coins for $10, you sell 4 of them for $12.50, then sit on the 1 you have left.  So if you buy 100 at $10, sell 80 @ $12.50

Leave it alone for a while.  Two weeks, a month maybe.  Don't just sit there and watch it, you'll be tempted to micro-manage the process.

When you come back and look at it, most of them will have hit the auto-sell, covered the initial expense, and left a remaining fraction that was basically free.

Some of them won't have caught, and if you've given it a month and they did not, you might want to sell those off.  Or if you're feeling gutsy, buy more at the lower rate, restructure your sells the same way as before but with the new average buy in price in mind, and wait on them again.

Most of them will have caught because traders routinely pump up any/all of the altcoins to levels way past +25%.  

So then you have a portfolio of coins that was basically free.  Sell enough to cover the expense of the ones that didn't catch.  Remove 100% of your initial investment from Bittrex and put it back into long term savings.  Bitcoin would be a safe bet, or silver.

Then I like to setup auto sells with the free coins harvested so as the coin price hits certain targets, it sells off enough for a consistent payoff.  So if coin is bought at $5, and I want to make $100 per payoff, and I have 20 coins, I'd have sells at 10 for $10, 5 for $20, 2 for $50, 1 for $100.  That's 18 of the 20, then hang onto a couple for later.  You'll want to adjust those amounts to reasonable levels for any given coin but that's the idea.  Every time it hits a new higher target -> payday ($100 each in this case, $400 total).  IMO this is better than say... putting in an auto sell of 20 for $100.  Sure you'd make 5x as much... IF it ever hits.  Big if.  Or selling 20 at $10, you only make $200 but if the pump actually went up to $100, you missed out.  With sell targets like I outlined, you get a nice payout at all stages of a good pump and dump.  And you don't have to do anything, it just happens automatically over time.

Once the money from your free coins has built up enough to be relevant, take half of it and do the same process again with it.  Repeat until you have a giant stack of money.

On top of that, you could also mine.  But why?  If you don't have to, and you can do all this from a laptop with zero overhead of power / location / security / etc etc... I'm not sure it's worth the trouble.  What I'm suggesting takes a couple hours a month.

Out of curiosity, why would you rather gamble with trading altcoins instead of putting $40,000 into ASIC's and making thousands of dollars per month without much of the same risk?
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
Here's what I'd do:

(Full disclosure: I'm pretty new to mining, crypto, trading, etc.  But I think this is a good plan, it's working for me so far.)

First, buy some BTC, say... $10k worth.

Go to Bittrex, put your BTC in a wallet there.

Buy a bunch of different kinds of alt coins.  Research them first, try to pick good ones, etc etc.  But get a very broad selection of them.  Look for ones that occasionally spike to 150%-200% (or more) of normal level.

Structure your automatic sells so if you buy 5 coins for $10, you sell 4 of them for $12.50, then sit on the 1 you have left.  So if you buy 100 at $10, sell 80 @ $12.50

Leave it alone for a while.  Two weeks, a month maybe.  Don't just sit there and watch it, you'll be tempted to micro-manage the process.

When you come back and look at it, most of them will have hit the auto-sell, covered the initial expense, and left a remaining fraction that was basically free.

Some of them won't have caught, and if you've given it a month and they did not, you might want to sell those off.  Or if you're feeling gutsy, buy more at the lower rate, restructure your sells the same way as before but with the new average buy in price in mind, and wait on them again.

Most of them will have caught because traders routinely pump up any/all of the altcoins to levels way past +25%.  

So then you have a portfolio of coins that was basically free.  Sell enough to cover the expense of the ones that didn't catch.  Remove 100% of your initial investment from Bittrex and put it back into long term savings.  Bitcoin would be a safe bet, or silver.

Then I like to setup auto sells with the free coins harvested so as the coin price hits certain targets, it sells off enough for a consistent payoff.  So if coin is bought at $5, and I want to make $100 per payoff, and I have 20 coins, I'd have sells at 10 for $10, 5 for $20, 2 for $50, 1 for $100.  That's 18 of the 20, then hang onto a couple for later.  You'll want to adjust those amounts to reasonable levels for any given coin but that's the idea.  Every time it hits a new higher target -> payday ($100 each in this case, $400 total).  IMO this is better than say... putting in an auto sell of 20 for $100.  Sure you'd make 5x as much... IF it ever hits.  Big if.  Or selling 20 at $10, you only make $200 but if the pump actually went up to $100, you missed out.  With sell targets like I outlined, you get a nice payout at all stages of a good pump and dump.  And you don't have to do anything, it just happens automatically over time.

Once the money from your free coins has built up enough to be relevant, take half of it and do the same process again with it.  Repeat until you have a giant stack of money.

On top of that, you could also mine.  But why?  If you don't have to, and you can do all this from a laptop with zero overhead of power / location / security / etc etc... I'm not sure it's worth the trouble.  What I'm suggesting takes a couple hours a month.
jr. member
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IF I'm you:
with 70% of amount I'll buy  (at least try  at bitmine.com)-
S9 and/or Lt3+
also some Avalon miners

with 30% of amount GPU rigs...


                         
member
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You're welcome to check my whitepaper on my ICO for starting a crypto mining operation. We are currently running numbers with about $100,000 so you can get some idea of what kind of costs and profits are involved for BTC, Dash, Litecoin, and Ethereum/Altcoin mining.
sr. member
Activity: 434
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If you can even find any ASIC's to buy. The bitmains are the best deal but they're always sold out!

They're still available on eastshore, but for the October batch which is ~60 days until they ship.
member
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If you can even find any ASIC's to buy. The bitmains are the best deal but they're always sold out!
sr. member
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I'm doing something similar soon, I'll be going with ~20 of the the L3+ miners. They consume half as much power as the S9 which means less heat to deal with and electricity to pay, they can mine more than just one coin, and they're far more profitable right now than the S9.
hero member
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40k you can buy a nice used car and enjoy.

Or buy 250 shares of Alibaba

I think with that you can enjoy yourself for some days.But you can't earn any thing. To earn anything you must take risk. And in bitcoin their is not such a risk at all.Mining is the best to inverse the money. As compared to trade ,mining give you a double the profit of your invested money.
hero member
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40k you can buy a nice used car and enjoy.

Or buy 250 shares of Alibaba
sr. member
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pHp DeV
Did you have a chance to consider http://btcfarm.org ?
sr. member
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In today's trend about the fork, it is so risky, maybe adjust your timestamp after August 1.
After that just consult or be assisted by BTCitcoiners with high mining experience, high rank with a high trust in this forum.
It wouldn't be wise being alone if your not familiar to it.
sr. member
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pHp DeV
Wise advice.

With a potential Bitcoin fork in the horizon it would be especially risky to have any amount of money invested in mining Bitcoin right now as such investments can become far less profitable depending on the outcome of the fork. I'd just wait until some days after August one.
legendary
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With a potential Bitcoin fork in the horizon it would be especially risky to have any amount of money invested in mining Bitcoin right now as such investments can become far less profitable depending on the outcome of the fork. I'd just wait until some days after August one.
newbie
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With $40K Investment I'd buy 3 or 4 if you can of the new Dash ASIC miners from Innosilicon:
 http://www.innosilicon.com/html/a5-miner/index.html
sr. member
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if you will not sell your coins, mining is great.
maybe it is not most profitable with those prices but  it will be good in the future.
mine and HODL.
sr. member
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pHp DeV
If you are seriously looking to invest in mining, check out http://cloudmining.co.in
hero member
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There is NO Freedom without Privacy
If you have near free electric you already know there is money to be made, your operational not including time is zero so why ask if there is any money to be made?
sr. member
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Hello,

I have a place that electricity is near free,

With 40k$ investment, is there a way to make profit in mining?

What gear to buy to make profit? what is the most profitable minable currency? what are best mining softwares?

Thank you

$40K is a capital that is quite a lot, with that much capital you will be able to a good miner tool. I advise you to mine a monerocoin with a low level of difficulty but a good price in the market. I usually use enhancements like external invidia for best performance.
full member
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i did more 60k Smiley
aug 1 will not kill btc even if segwitx2 hits
my opinion
just struggling how to use wallet to get most secured and get new coins also
coinbase not supporting now i have take out of coinbase my bitcoins
any info how to stay out of coinbase safely and how get forked coins ?
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