i am confused gizmoh 50 merit sent , he really sent or miss take
gizmoh miss take sent merit or gizmoh Secondary Account or anyone hack her account and sent merit
Topic: 50 merit for an non-contribute topic - page 2. (Read 745 times)
Yeah.. This is quite shady. That 50 merit sent is the first sent merit from the gizmoh account in the last 120 days.
Nope, that batch of 50 merits is the first one he gave his sMerits away.- According to the merit data dump from theymos (extracted by LoyceV and stored on loyce.club), last week (2019w52), he did not send a single sMerit away, before today.
- According to the converted dataset, released by LoyceV, stored at loyce.club, there is no history of merit transaction for that account.
[1]: http://loyce.club/Merit/merit.all.txt
[2]: http://loyce.club/Merit/userID_sent_received.txt
But that account shows nothing strange with password and email changes on profile page and on the the modlog page. There are three rounds of password changes, back in 2018 and 2019 (early months of each year). I don't see strong signals of hack.
Soon both accounts will be banned or at least will get negative trust.
Maybe, theymos should consider decaying unused smerits.
No one will be banned simply because of shady behaviours with trading or merit transactions.Maybe, theymos should consider decaying unused smerits.
Decaying unused smerits, I don't think it will happen.
Moreover, there are barely cases that theymos stepped in and do roll back (demeriting) with 16 negative merit transactions so far, but all of them happened months ago (February of 2019, forum time). Sent_userid = 0 is the forum account, used to roll back merits.
Code:
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| forumtime amount sent_userid received_userid |
|-------------------------------------------------------------|
132299. | 05feb2019 22:07:11 -2 0 92110 |
132300. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -5 0 81995 |
132301. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -2 0 1316028 |
132302. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -9 0 290351 |
132303. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -1 0 289011 |
|-------------------------------------------------------------|
132304. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -9 0 249872 |
132305. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -7 0 249436 |
132306. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -8 0 165478 |
132307. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -2 0 9645 |
132308. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -10 0 358020 |
|-------------------------------------------------------------|
132309. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -10 0 15728 |
132310. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -10 0 2536607 |
132311. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -4 0 1246188 |
132312. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -10 0 355462 |
132313. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -10 0 92110 |
|-------------------------------------------------------------|
132314. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -5 0 2472107 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
Neutrally, I gave you data, the rest things for data interpretations depend on your own thoughts.| forumtime amount sent_userid received_userid |
|-------------------------------------------------------------|
132299. | 05feb2019 22:07:11 -2 0 92110 |
132300. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -5 0 81995 |
132301. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -2 0 1316028 |
132302. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -9 0 290351 |
132303. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -1 0 289011 |
|-------------------------------------------------------------|
132304. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -9 0 249872 |
132305. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -7 0 249436 |
132306. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -8 0 165478 |
132307. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -2 0 9645 |
132308. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -10 0 358020 |
|-------------------------------------------------------------|
132309. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -10 0 15728 |
132310. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -10 0 2536607 |
132311. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -4 0 1246188 |
132312. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -10 0 355462 |
132313. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -10 0 92110 |
|-------------------------------------------------------------|
132314. | 05feb2019 22:07:10 -5 0 2472107 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
Personally, 50 merits can not change the destiny of one account. If one is unable to make a single good post, the one will consequently be unable to rank up without other abuse and they will fastly dry out of their airdropped sMerits.
Theymos:
- He states that he only starts to feel issues with hundreds of merits used illegitimately.
So I noticed it says unused Merit can be decayed at some point in the future - What's the point of this? Is it just to keep people from stagnating their Merit and not using it?
There is currently no decay, but if hoarding seems to become a problem, I might add it.
Also, what are your thoughts on people here using their numerous alt accounts to abuse the Merit system? Granted, there's not much to "abuse", but someone who has a dozen alt accounts, say one of them gets selected as a Merit source, couldn't that have a negative impact on the system?
If they don't have a source: how would they? Unless they are a source, they have to get the merit from somewhere. A group of accounts without a source can't generate merit without making good posts; they can only inefficiently spread it out among the accounts.
If they do have a source, then that's something that we'll need to detect. The merit transfers are public, so it shouldn't be that difficult. There are also various limits in place which would help to limit the damage from that.
I think that tagging may be appropriate in particularly obvious cases, or particularly egregious cases involving hundreds of merit points and several posts. But generally you should start out by assuming good faith, and only change that opinion as the evidence really piles up. Tagging someone immediately after an instance of apparently-inexplicable meriting is too trigger-happy IMO. Even if it is a case of illegitimate merit, even hundreds of illegitimate merit points are not much of a problem IMO, so you have to ask whether it's worthwhile to possibly make a mistake by tagging someone who is merely suspicious.
Merit sales, transfers to aliases, back-and-forth trading, etc. are not much of an issue. All illegitimate merit will decay, and will account for a tiny and very expensive fraction of the total merit economy. It's basically a rounding error; fight it where convenient, but waste no sleep over it.
I am curious to see what that person does with the merit from gizmoh. If the one post newbie doesn't spend the merit, I wouldn't worry about this, especially if he doesn't post again.
Great share !! That's what I wanted to draw attention to... There are 5 months waiting for this 50 merit in Local forum.. People are leaving for the sake of bounty..
Funny that the Legendary account has also sent 50 to another newbie dupe (IndecentProposal) today on a similar PI topic.
So at least 3 accounta in total.
So at least 3 accounta in total.
lol 
obviously, that post is not even worthy of such a merit. It's ridiculous, but I'm not the authority to handle this problem. So I post it here for everyone's comments and help. Anyone with full authority or trusted, please tag these users or take the right measures, I hope this situation does not happen anytime in the future. The merit system should not be used for wrong purposes.
obviously, that post is not even worthy of such a merit. It's ridiculous, but I'm not the authority to handle this problem. So I post it here for everyone's comments and help. Anyone with full authority or trusted, please tag these users or take the right measures, I hope this situation does not happen anytime in the future. The merit system should not be used for wrong purposes. legendary
Activity: 2450
Merit: 4295
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Merited post:
Archived: http://archive.is/vgSCz
If you ask for my opinion, I would say this is mocking the system (assuming both users aren't connected in some manner) and this transaction should be reversed immediately. I see people struggle to rank up while been very productive yet users like this make their effort look useless. The post isn't worthy of even 1 merit talk more of 50 and assuming one could send more than 50 merit per month to particular users, the user would had probably gotten more.
I know the merit issue is very subjective but come on guys cases like this that involves large amount of merit shouldn't be overlooked. This is obviously a misused of the system and it shouldn't be encouraged considering the post been merited isn't even a quality (contributive) post. Seems this most have been an airdropped smerits which again bring about the discussion, all Airdropped smerit that haven't been used upto now should be decayed to minimize scenario like this from reoccuring.
We should have a report button for cases like this (large merit abuse) so the adminstrator can investigate and probably reverse the transaction).
This isn't an offense worthy of ban (they haven't broken any forum rules which consequences is getting banned), we're also discourage from leaving negative feedbacks on users account for behaviors that doesn't involve trust like spamming, merit abuse etc best solution would be a reversal of the transaction by theymos.
Ps: Can @LoyceV get his demerit source status already to tackle issues like this.
I need to track down a thief who stole coins from me. I will have his full ID and address soon.
Need PI and a though guy..
Need PI and a though guy..
Archived: http://archive.is/vgSCz
If you ask for my opinion, I would say this is mocking the system (assuming both users aren't connected in some manner) and this transaction should be reversed immediately. I see people struggle to rank up while been very productive yet users like this make their effort look useless. The post isn't worthy of even 1 merit talk more of 50 and assuming one could send more than 50 merit per month to particular users, the user would had probably gotten more.
I know the merit issue is very subjective but come on guys cases like this that involves large amount of merit shouldn't be overlooked. This is obviously a misused of the system and it shouldn't be encouraged considering the post been merited isn't even a quality (contributive) post. Seems this most have been an airdropped smerits which again bring about the discussion, all Airdropped smerit that haven't been used upto now should be decayed to minimize scenario like this from reoccuring.
We should have a report button for cases like this (large merit abuse) so the adminstrator can investigate and probably reverse the transaction).
Soon both accounts will be banned or at least will get negative trust.
This isn't an offense worthy of ban (they haven't broken any forum rules which consequences is getting banned), we're also discourage from leaving negative feedbacks on users account for behaviors that doesn't involve trust like spamming, merit abuse etc best solution would be a reversal of the transaction by theymos.
Ps: Can @LoyceV get his demerit source status already to tackle issues like this.
The purpose is clear. Abusing the merit system
The user probably know nothing about trust system (The abuser will get negative trust from DT members once they see this) or don't know merit transactions are shown publicly.
Most probably, the account has been hacked or sold and now a newbie that know nothing about the forum is using the legendary account.
Soon both accounts will be banned or at least will get negative trust.
Maybe, theymos should consider decaying unused smerits.
The user probably know nothing about trust system (The abuser will get negative trust from DT members once they see this) or don't know merit transactions are shown publicly.
Most probably, the account has been hacked or sold and now a newbie that know nothing about the forum is using the legendary account.
Soon both accounts will be banned or at least will get negative trust.
Maybe, theymos should consider decaying unused smerits.
Yeah.. This is quite shady. That 50 merit sent is the first sent merit from the gizmoh account in the last 120 days.
It's either:
There's zero way that topic deserved the 50 merit lol.
The topic in question: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/private-investigator-serbiacroatialithuania-5215178
gizmoh: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gizmoh-87919
It's either:
- He's sending the merit to a friend or to a secondary account
- The gizmoh account got hacked
- The 50 merit is bought
There's zero way that topic deserved the 50 merit lol.
The topic in question: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/private-investigator-serbiacroatialithuania-5215178
gizmoh: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gizmoh-87919
You can see throung this picture:
I wonder what the purpose of this merits is. I know that everyone has the right to give his or her merits freely. But is this a worthy way to give away a tremendous amount of merit? As far as I know, that is all the default merit he has, because he hasn't even received any merit from anyone.
I think we should give our merits more worthwhile, not having to dump everything on someone like this case.
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I wonder what the purpose of this merits is. I know that everyone has the right to give his or her merits freely. But is this a worthy way to give away a tremendous amount of merit? As far as I know, that is all the default merit he has, because he hasn't even received any merit from anyone.
I think we should give our merits more worthwhile, not having to dump everything on someone like this case.
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