Topic: 50 Merit for Authentication Post (Read 1436 times)

I do not know from what device you are reading this forum, but to understand that the account is blocked, you should read just one post above. Just open your eyes wider and look at the answer that someone is talking to a blocked account.
But instead, you've created two posts that will help you in your company. But what is especially annoying is your eternal mention of God, I do not think that such sermons are interesting to many here.
 And yes, you still have the option to create a third post.

Bro, save the bible-thumping for another forum.  Everyone is free to cast stones around here, and they do.  Either get used to it or go elsewhere, because nobody is going to cease doing so because of something someone may or may not have really said 2000 years ago.

Yeah, but the point is that you're not reading and that's not a newbie "mistake".  You're just here to make money from BTC365 or whoever else will pay you to crank out lousy shitposts, and since they don't pay you to read you end up replying to someone who's not going to ever see your post.  If you'd read nutildah's post in context you would have known this.  And yes, I've been guilty of misreading dates of posts before, but that's not what happened here.

OMG, you're so full of yourself it's blowing my mind.  You're going on my ignore list immediately after I hit the post button.  Don't bother responding to this post, because I won't be reading it.

First of all - from this thread Apology to Nutildah, I learnt that you are female, so I will address you as 'ma' or 'ma'am'.

With all due respect ma, if you are a Christian, I did love to take you to John 8 verse 7, where Jesus christ said, "he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone".
I believe you started out here like everyone else, a newbie, you grew to junior, to member, to full, to senior, then hero and finally, legendary.
In all this stages, I assume you never for once made this same ^presumed mistake I made here, take your thoughts back in time and understand what I mean.




Secondly - of course I care, if every other member you've given this kind of reply to on this forum seem truly not to care, am totally different, my being on this forum isn't all about getting paid, am here to teach others, and most importantly, am here to learn from other people as well, the getting paid part is just a bonus which I believe every member of this forum is entitled to including yourself.

Honestly, I wished to merit your comment, but unfortunately, I don't currently have any sMerit, but am promising you I will merit this comment as soon as i have one.

Ones more, with all due respect ma, no man on earth is an island of knowledge, God almighty is one who gives wisdom.. You don't have to blame me entirely for replying to a post that was no longer worthy of a reply (^{according to you}), besides, how was I supposed to know my reply to that post was no longer relevant? How was I supposed to know that the person who made the post has been banned a long time ago?, was I supposed to start visiting profile before replying to a post I deemed fit and worthy of my reply? If this is the case, then am wrong and am truly sorry... 🙏



In as much as I love to be at peace with everyone, ^{as God almighty commands us}, I believe you understand when I say that I can't force everyone to be at peace with me, or to like or love everything I do, or to correct me when I make a mistake like a brother or sister would instead of telling me how they've added me to their ignore list.

With all due respect ma, am not appealing to you to get me off your ignore list, no no, just do whatever your spirit tells you is the right thing to do, I have no objections, I am just a small fish in an ocean full of sharks and whales, I don't wanna get eaten  .

You probably not going to see this message cus am already on your ignore list, but am hoping that some other persons who know you would see it and point you to it, which ever way, please know it that am totally respectful, day in, day out, am just thinking out loud here.
It's a free world right?

Thank you ma and do stay blessed. ❤️

Again, you're responding to a post that is already over a year and a half old. The person you are trying to talk to has been BANNED for a loooong time. 

I know you don't care because you'll still get paid, but you've definitely earned a spot on my ignore list.

You've been caught red handed mate, what are you still trying to deny?, OK, say we believe that jovan85 isn't your alt account, what would you say is your reason for giving his campaign authentication post 50 merit?couldn't you find other good post to merit, why must it be an authentication post? This is the height of stupidity, how could you do this and expect not to be caught? Too bad you just ruined your hero member account over a silly thing like this.

Yeah could be, looks like it. I didn't actually tag him as I read a few of the negative trusts already.

I just wanted to record this Twitter username change as proof sunce33 and jovan85 have really been the same person this whole time. I didn't appreciate being guilt tripped about whatever political problems they have over there back then... Turns out he was just another liar.


Bro you're talking to a banned account about something that happened over a year and a half ago.

Country history has nothing to do with you trading high volume of merit with your friend, that's the worse merited post I've seen for a long time.

Bitcointalk is not an exchange so how did manage to lose all your tokens? As far as I know bounty managers don't edit/change payment address after submission, your story is not true, you've just ruined your Hero account for being too greedy. You cheated bounty with multiple accounts

Maybe I misunderstood your post, but I don't think that @RiniAr is their alt account, as that one is just copy/pasting other people's work. His "post history" (if we consider bounty spam as posts ) is full of that, like this for example. I guess he can be reported for plagiarism as well.

This person is now ban evading.



What's interesting is the @sunce33 twitter handle was changed to @MarryP66. You can confirm it by checking out this tweet:

https://twitter.com/sunce33/status/1305486596079259648

It redirects to @MarryP66. As it does for any of the sunce33 tweets:


Obviously they were the same people after all. Might as well list this one as well, he's new but already got caught cheating on something else:

I wonder what he's plotting when he's trying to spam in a section he can't even read or write himself. An account linked to him is still active, meaning he is still on this forum and making money with it (in bounty campaign), so why is he spamming? It must have some intention  the fact that the accounts have been linked is so obvious, we have identified it since last year, fortunately now he only uses 1 account to join the bounty

It was also extremely easy to link the two accounts together via ETH addresses.

sunce33 used this ETH address to send 5000 Peculium (PCL) tokens to jovan85's address on 12/30/18. It wasn't a one-time thing either, he's sent several different tokens to himself.

He's also received tokens from

pingu39 (inactive)
jootjejodel (banned)

Obviously the first two accounts are the same person and it looks like this is a long time scamming ban evader. I hate being lied to, even if it was over a year ago. This person clearly doesn't care about anything.

hey, just a small suggestion, don't you think it would be better to create a new thread with relevant links to this guy than make a post in an old thread like this? since i joined this thread before and had notifications turned on for it i got your post here. I think mods will pay more attention if you create a new thread 

Moderators please pay attention on member and known cheater sunce33 who is spamming out local Croatian board with repeated bad machine translated posts who are posted in wrong senction.
All his/her posts have been reported but I think some warning or short term temp-ban may be a good solution.

No.

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Post number #4, #20, #23 and #33 explained all my question since begining. I am going to lock this thread, because my curiosity was answered

Thanks for all, My apologize.

jovan85 is not my alt he is real person in another country..also I see problem is because he is from Serbia and Serbia and Croatia was in war and hate they hate each other. Is this is now political?

YOSHIE do you know all this bounty :
CRYPTO-PUPPIES-LAND ROUND2
StopTheFakes.io
DIWtoken.com
was scam

This addressL: 0x4a27744a1f1018D287e191f8E14d777E34Cdcad2 not belongs to me , that is of cheater who use my account, that is not my address and don't have connection with me

I want say again and again I don't have alt account here. vtechpro.vn is not my alt account. I can't stop that cheating many time in many campaign, some one use my twitter or facebook profile. In few bounty I rapport manager. And like I see history repeats. Few years ago was similar, after attacks on my bicointalk account, tomorrow I can't login my account . Somebody else pretend it's me. And collect my many bounty. How you didn't find that post.  How long did it take me to prove it was my account..And in the end, that same Jovan85 helped me , because we was connected, and people who stole my account were from Pakistan. I give all proof administrators from bitcointalk and they give me back my account.   

This one too please! Believe as you like Timelord, I know you like your conspiracies 

I agree with this, the system was purely created to indicate newbies about a users trading history on the forum and using it to indicate merit trading doesn't seem to be an intended use of the system, by the creator.

Rest assured you won't be able to "inadvertently" send me PM's that you were clearly meant to send to OGnasty ever again...

Wow, this is very extensive work and I feel comfortable saying the case is closed on this issue.


It was a copy/paste feedback he also left for me. Its the 3rd neutral he's left me -- he thinks trust comments are his personal diary

(quote expanded)

My bad, this wasn't the implication I was trying to convey - I thought this was clear given the example, I understand where it was open to this interpretation. Apoogies.

I didn't mean "you" (Timelord) I mean plural you, arguably the reference you bought up, but otherwise plural "you", whoever that may apply to. If "you" tag your own mobile as using insecure connections, then I don't believe it's embarrassing to put it in "your" trust list. Obviously people's trust lists are their own business etc etc, that's just my opinion.


It was meant for you Timelord, I was playing the guessing game of where I "still can't read" (implication: again?). I'll give up guessing now

Put down the red crayon Lauda...  You've pissed on enough walls for one lifetime - most of your sprays aren't hitting the mark and are dribbling down your leg instead.

This is high-risk and actually flag worthy,  short version is that any service is getting scammed by this user. Defending of such scams needs to stop around this place, sadly this is not the current standard any more.

Okay, well this is a good discussion to have. Does trading merit constitute selling merit? Technically they are buying merit with merit, so I would say yes. In this case, its not at a 1:1 exchange rate, and the two parties are most likely one in the same, but I think sending heaps of merit to oneself does constitute untrustworthy behavior as they are artificially building an inflated reputation for themselves. Should users be able to send merits to their alt accounts?

I don't think its a good idea to tag people specifically for meriting low quality posts, but in this case, two instances of accounts meriting each other's proof of authentication posts does lend credibility to the idea that merit is being exchanged/traded, regardless of whether or not they are owned by the same person.

I am still curious about what was said by both of them @ sunce33 and @ jovan85, as mentioned in the quote above.

1. sunce33
2. jovan85

It is really ironic what happened to the Alt Account. The two of them had an affair in the same campaign. Even worse, not just one campaign, almost all of the campaigns that they participated in were side by side.

Proof:

Topic: [ANN][NEW BOUNTY][IPBO] - CRYPTO-PUPPIES-LAND ROUND2

http://archive.is/wip/8Nf5e

spreadsheets

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In other campaigns also found cheating.

Proof:

@jovan85 page 287.

Topic: 🚀🌟[ICO][Bounty]🌟🚀 StopTheFakes.io $ 1.000.000 $ to share

@sunce33 page 117.

Topic: 🚀🌟[ICO][Bounty]🌟🚀 StopTheFakes.io $ 1.000.000 $ to share

If you open the spreadsheet, you will get @ sunce33, number (637) and number @ jovan85 (798).

sreadsheet

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In other campaigns also found cheating.

Proof:

@sunce33 page 436.

Topic: 💠 DIWtoken.com 💠 [BOUNTY CLOSED] 💠 [ICO]💠 Decentralized Security

@jovan85 page 984.

Topic: 💠 DIWtoken.com 💠 [BOUNTY CLOSED] 💠 [ICO]💠 Decentralized Security



spreadsheets

I think this proof solves this problem in taking Alts's decision to cheat in a campaign.

Did I?

Did I say that???  Wrong again.

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You should pay closer attention to who you send PM's to.  Very interesting one you sent me instead of OGnasty ... 

The problem, 50 Merit for Authentication Post made me confusing. because I read high-quality posts only got >30 merits.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53918571
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53889326
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53938069
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53921072

is this normal?

Why not true? If your point of view about admin opinion as you mentioned below then not true (for you). But it doesn't mean users are allow to trading merits between alt. Probably you missed a point wrote by moderator although it's not official rules. But it's TRUE.


Probably admin told it on my thread and I have remembered it which purpose he said. But you know eventually he had removed that merit source we talked about. I believe they abuse merit system and its equal to cheat forum system. So who want to cheat forum system trading with them is extremely high risk.

I always try to avoid tag merit abuser, this user is accused for multiple reason. So no more second chance for him and I believe I wrote correct thing on feedback;

Not true:
Context: theymos said this to a Merit source, but I'm pretty sure it applies to all. Use negative feedback when you think that trading with the person is a high risk.

Small correction it will not themselves, it will be "himself". If still you have questions then feel free to reply.

WTF, don't spam before read all the story on sensitive object. Where you had found he send merit to someone else? He sent merit to himself, means sent merit to his alt accounts which is merit abuse.

Trading merit between alt accounts is enough for red tag. Besides that, do you need scam proof? If so then he have done. Because he have scammed project owners by joining bounty with alt account where projects do not allow it. He have more alt accounts read full thread to understand the story behind it.

Probably as I'm not as thick-skinned as others   The reason for this was to make the point referenced above in a clear manner, to generate this discussion. I'm glad you found the irony in my actions, it was intended just for you

Mission accomplished  

And why it was a spam? You posted in the thread that he wants and I sent a PM with my price. Where is the mistake about it? I should do giveaways to random people with the risk of losing it?

And as I said in my reply, no one cares about the context, they just judge right away as you just did right now.

You are in no position to judge situation here, as you are spamming other people with PM to sell them stuff!
Expect to see red trust feedback and more soon
https://i.imgur.com/4QeZAIi.jpg
archived: http://archive.vn/0OU5W

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@YOSHIE
great research yet again

I'm glad you agree on this now, I remember you disapproved of this a while ago.

I've posted my view on this here.
I get where you're coming from though, but I don't understand why you only exclude mobile alts from your mobile, and not from your main account.
Now, if you'd include your own mobile account, that would make sense again as putting your alt on Depth 0 would exclude your alt's exclusions on your Depth 1. It's ironic, isn't it

50 Merit, sent to the application post ......?

I'm a little curious as to why @sunce33 does it all, obviously it's a suicide delivery.

In addition to the Alt account found by:@nutildah.

If at a glance I see Facebook and Twitter that are used by: sunce33, connected to the account below.

1. vtechpro.vn

I have a feeling that @ sunce33 is committing suicide.


http://archive.is/wip/4UXO8

Link: http://archive.is/hQyc5

http://archive.is/wip/BpIrm


http://archive.is/wip/M8bG9

Miscellaneous:

In other words dozens of Alt @ sunce33 accounts have been killed here, this is purely a factor (disappointment).

Post by: @Bttzed03 :Topic: Multi-Accounts Joining Same Campaigns - TAGGED


That's why he did it to send 50 merits to @ jovan85.
All at once, the @ sunce33 account is sunk in this forum, (really very frustrating), infidelity in a campaign with an Alt account.

Does this thread say what I think it says?


Basically jovan85 is being accused of plagiarizing the work of sunce33 by posting the same translation from the Croatian board... That's probably why he deleted the post which is a word-for-word copy/paste of the Croatian translation. He registered in that bounty with both accounts.

And the fact that jovan85 accidentally used the sunce33 twitter handle makes it a sealed deal. They are definitely the same person. jovan85 should have been banned for plagiarism but he deleted the post before it was reported, thus there is no longer anything to ban (though he may have done this in past bounties).

I got over this post and I have myself a few questions:

1. I still don't get why it is a problem because users changed merit between themselves? If the merit is open to everyone's will? Why it is a problem? At a moment their merit will dissapear and won't be a problem. As everyone has the power and the willing to send btc to anyone, to any address, why merit should be so centralised in such low ammounts.
As example the OP made a topic where he raised a question, why he got so much merit on it? I also have dumb posts where I got merit and I still don't know why. When I am trying to do a high quality post it never gets merited, I start to believe that you need to hunt those topics where old users are reacting. That's the only way of actually getting a status in the forum.
Why it is a crime to send merit to someone else?
2. Besides the fact that he sent merit to someone and there is a sad story about him playing whatever game, and being banned and so on, why it was obviously just ignored by everyone and just stayed with their first feedback?
I am not the king of melodramatic person, but still he got a point there and as I said to one, it ain't his right to do whatever he wants with what is his? He obtained those merit himself, not paid for it or trade for it.
3. Why the feedback is red? This ain't scamming and it can't be considered scamming at all, from none of the view points that express logic. It's just a rule that everyone accepted it that a red trust can be done by not scamming someone. I also saw a lot of feedbacks about opinions with red/negative...

Not noice...some stuffs are not noice

@sunce33 I hate to break it to you, but this doesn't look good. What were you thinking - that nobody will notice?
We tried to warn you a few months back, didn't we? When you posted the same translation under Serbian and Croatian subforums (and on some other forums). Isn't that cheating? And your defense is that you are not a fraud?!

What a waste of 'hero level' accounts...

There's a lot of instances where you both work in the same bounty, and then one address sends their tokens to the other, and then the tokens get deposited into Etherdelta. I am hesitant to unfairly red tag people, but this is a practice commonly used by alt accounts cheating bounties. Unfortunately the excuses you've provided are pretty common among those used by an account after it gets caught having alt accounts.

Even if I were to change the contents of my tag on your account, it would still be red for merit swapping. I tend to go by the guidelines established in this post when leaving negative trusts, as they are a collection of things discussed and agreed upon by much of the DT community:


You were clearly engaged in merit swapping as the posts receiving merit are simply bounty authentication posts and not informative or useful whatsoever.


You're talking about TMAN and he wasnt "busted" for anything. He sent 50 merits to a post he thought was useful, to a member he thought (at the time) was deserving of them -- NOT to a proof of authentication post. He certainly didn't get 25 merits in return for it (he got 3 from The-Devil, I just looked it up), and it wasn't from a suspected alt account. YOU are the one trying to rewrite history.

Interesting. I don't feel embarrassed, I feel like trusting your alt account that you yourself identify as insecure is embarrassing in itself.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, any other mobile alts you know of that I can add to my mobile's distrust list?
PS - It's not that I can't read, it's that I haven't read every single feedback left on here to know that information 
Thanks again!

We don't have personal problems with you. Users made DT members by voting system to prevent abuse & scams. Merit trading itself is enough to tag you as I said my previous post. But on the other hand you had broke campaign rules. Your explanation isn't valid, because everyone excuse almost same after exposed. I have friends on this forum but it doesn't mean we have to use same social media accounts or btc address. I won't argue about your transaction, perhaps one could send it to others. But where you trade merit, do you really think that post deserve 50/25 merits? What is the quality had you found there? Do you know what is the uses of merits?

Your explanation isn't enough to convince me, so I am not gonna change my feedback. Continue your earning with red tag....

Maybe few months ago I asked sunce33 few questions in one of his translation topic and he never replied....so I assumed he is not a human being.  
I am not 100% sure regarding his merit and alt abuse, but so far it does not look good at all for him and Jovan85 with all the proof presented here.

You can not ask, even if you do you will get no result because trust system is not moderated and it is decentralized. You have to continue with this negative trust or you have to request the member who gave you merit to remove the tag.

Both of you might want to read this before you further embarrass yourself:


But I never said a merit font was giving their alt any merits - they were busted for handing out 50 merits in one go - that's what the topic of this thread is about - nutildah is trying to rewrite history.

Coinomi wallet can make those both addresses and I am a young man who almost knows Bitcoin.

you're very striking https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topreplies

Hello everyone first, I just saw you give me negative trust. And I want to give you an explanation.
Under one jovan85 is not my alt account. We met in Dragon's tale game from 2014 he was my student if anybody if anyone was playing that game know relationship studen-mentor his name on game also jovan85 and every body there know him and know me, and We are neighbors, actually in our Countries, he is from Serbia and I am from Croatia. If you people know history in 1991 we were one Country (Yugoslavia - Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia, Macedonia and Bosnia and Herzegovina And we speak a similar language. When the game stopped being active for me I come here and try earn some money on bounty. And I call jovan85 ,too.. We worked together, He tells me about a good bounty, I tell him.
If you look back my account sunce33 was hacked and I lost all token what I earned.
If I send tokens to jovan85, that's my personal relationship with him, or I maybe want protect my self.
I also want to say that I never traded here, never cheated on anyone, I've been fooled here many times from some members and from bounty campaign.
If the problem is merit, than admin take away merit from my account. I worked hard here to make this account and this status from February 08, 2014.
I not register yesterday. I don't understand why anyone has a problem with my account I never fooled someone or cheated any members. I never had a problem in any bounty campaign and I was never disqualified.
This is not fair i would ask the admin to delete my negative trust because I'm not a fraud, if you people need any proof, I'm ready to prove it.
And I want to say again, if any evidence is merit, please have the administrator delete merit from my account.

P.S I especially want to ask members who have given me negative trust : LeGaulois, nutildah, Coolcryptovator,
In what way did I damage you, what did I take or do to you that you took offense to me?
I do not even participate in the discussions, I have never accused anyone of anything.
I am old woman I just working on bounty and anything else. Even many of these bounties are failures and many bounty manager is scam.
I'm only guilty because having a friend here and working with him.
This is my explanation. You think what you want,. and I know what is truth.

P.S.S.Also want ask blue Snow Whose you are alt? Because you are Newbie Registered: March 01, 2020, 12:30:56 AM, and you have both fresh ETH adddress : 0xEECeB4BbFaD6334256B9c06293c41BD94659e77B and BTC : 33358AL8hrsbDu3ffxbRkxdNTV7EUHAeUS address. t is not possible that you have just heard about bitcoin and ETH and BTC.

Ouch! I can only assume that was a passing shot at Timelord Jr? You should always add any mobile account you use that's insecure by default into your distrust list, no questions.
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In my opinion 50 merit in one transaction should never happen. Way too much, no post deserves all that...

At least it is easy to track abusers this way. Good find OP.

A merit source was sending merits to their alt account? Which one? That's even worse than a DT including their alt account in their trust list.


Well, he appears to be Indonesian, so that narrows down the pool quite a bit. Happy sleuthing, Watson.

I vaguely recall one of the merit fonts getting busted for doing pretty much the same thing not that long ago and the response was they are a merit source and can divvy up the merits as they wish.  I doubt blue Snow is such the newbie they are making themselves out to be - there's plenty of self scratching and back scratching between the DT1's of this forum.

If there was a seven day cooling off period between when merits were received and when they can be sent out, then that might just slow down this kind of exchange.

Hah this just shows to prove that you can't hide anything from people here.
Dig deep into the nether-threads, page 456456, merit something, and sure thing, 2 days later, someone will find it LOL

Good find tho

Thanks for the response, I read all the comments and understand now.

Tagged both accounts.

Thanks @nutildah for provide clear evidence. I was pretty sure about their connection when I saw merit trading gap was approx 25 seconds. I was just wondering to tag and you provide full evidence. (Archived 1) (Archived 2). Trading merit between alt itself is enough to tag both accounts.

Good found @OP, try to look more deeply so it would save others time.

Looks like merit trading, as that account immediately sent 25 merits to the account that merited him, for this post.

Did a bit of research and it appears they both belong to the same person. One account he uses for Croatian translations, the other for Serbian translations. They frequently enroll in the same bounties.

sunce33 uses the twitter handle of the same name:


jovan85 usually uses a different twitter handle but accidentally used it to enroll in one particular bounty (thread is locked):


I'm sure connections can be found between their ETH addresses:

sunce33 - 0x95D7dadBA22245f4fc8608c60236CbC888BAA032
jovan85 - 0x48755CA1E80b62a724C4F388c498522E7c9f1C86

Yep, sure enough, 18,441 SGC tokens moved from sunce33 to jovan85 on Nov 18, 2017. I would say there's a 95% chance these accounts belong to the same person.


Sent you 2 merits so now you can rank up -- this was a good find and I will tag both accounts.

Certainly, this is the clearest example to see that there is exchange and abuse of merit here  neither of these guys has sent or received any merit in the last 120 days, except for what they did for each other 

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Abuse of merit is nothing new in this forum, it always happens somewhere out there that we don't see it  This case shows abuse, it also shows that they are connected accounts. Store a bit on this topic and check if they are cheating in the same bonus campaign 

Probably trading merits or giving them to his alt.

The same user (receiver) also sent 25 merits back to him (sender)[1].

[1] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54010487

I am newbie still learning and reading all post by higher rank here and find good post earned a lot of merits, I am good and no problem about that.

But today accidentally find Authentication Post got 50 merits?, I am confusing what the point the user gets that much merit?

Post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53886711
Receiver : jovan85
sender : sunce33