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Don't send him anything, he will deceive others! 
Topic: $500 exchange scam (Read 663 times)
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See, these "proof of payments" are fucked. Nowadays people are not even using signed messages anymore, but blockchain transactions which could be theirs or could belong to some random person. Thus a person could commit fraud by producing an arbitrary transaction on a block explorer as a "proof of payment".
This "proof of payment" is only valid between buyer and seller, and meaningless to everyone else. There is no way (currently) to prove that you actually sent Bitcoins somewhere.
My goal was to verify if the OP really sent BTC from the input address of the transaction he linked in the OP. People can take random ID from blockchain and claim that it's their transaction. But anyway, we already know now what happened. Thanks to khaled0111. This "proof of payment" is only valid between buyer and seller, and meaningless to everyone else. There is no way (currently) to prove that you actually sent Bitcoins somewhere.
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But he said that he received it so lol
Remember when you called me stupid Deon?
But he said that he received it so lol
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Good find. While I stand by what I said in the other thread, that the chat logs alone were not enough to conclusively prove a link, this blockchain evidence is irrefutable that these two users are the same person.It is completely justified for OP to keep the amount he was scammed. What happens with the remainder of the amount is up to him. Personally, I would probably return the remainder of the funds, although I can see the merit behind either donating them or trying to refund other victims of this scammer.
Refund me atleast 330 how staff says it
"Staff" has nothing to do with this. Maybe this is a good moment to ask for "source of funds", like a bank would do. I'm pretty sure you scammed the money from someone else.This "proof of payment" is only valid between buyer and seller, and meaningless to everyone else.
True, but since the other party didn't contest it and more or less confirmed it in their own thread, I don't doubt this transaction happened between those two users. 
Proof of Payment:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/5bf44f3b65573b3c8e975eb0f68e991a77621e037ff4492856e4c126d5c27222
Can you sign one of the input address of the tx? This will prove that the coin were sent from your wallet.https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/5bf44f3b65573b3c8e975eb0f68e991a77621e037ff4492856e4c126d5c27222
See, these "proof of payments" are fucked. Nowadays people are not even using signed messages anymore, but blockchain transactions which could be theirs or could belong to some random person. Thus a person could commit fraud by producing an arbitrary transaction on a block explorer as a "proof of payment".
This "proof of payment" is only valid between buyer and seller, and meaningless to everyone else. There is no way (currently) to prove that you actually sent Bitcoins somewhere.
Lol, because you look like just another scammer sniffing around for a handout, Chahan. Or should I say Maasdamer?
Why then did you support the scammer before? 
Don't understand why you are trying to attack me but no I did not.
Lol, because you look like just another scammer sniffing around for a handout, Chahan. Or should I say Maasdamer?
Refund me atleast 330 how staff says it
The only person who mentioned the number 330 is me. I'm not staff, and I have no say whatsoever what alterra57 does with the money. You've been proven to be a liar and a scammer, so no one really cares whether you get the money back or not.
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Oooooh, ratios!?! Who's the smart boy?
Animal shelter is certainly a good idea, or some small non collateral loans to users that do actually need it, like me.
What's the matter, did you gamble away the grocery money?
Ever hear of subtraction? It goes something like this:
500 - 170 = 330
Maybe fair and better?:500 - 170 = 330
alterra57:
(170/670) * 500 = 127
ABC:
(500/670) * 500 = 373
Refund me atleast 330 how staff says it
... then it should be returned to it's rightful owners.
When we find out that Deonnn got the 500 bucks from let's say user ABC.How much should alterra57 send ABC
Ever hear of subtraction? It goes something like this:
500 - 170 = 330
... then it should be returned to it's rightful owners.
When we find out that Deonnn got the 500 bucks from let's say user ABC.How much should alterra57 send ABC
I'll just comment on this:
OP, from the screenshot you posted, in one of your replies you said this: "Give me proof it's me and take money I m not dsadsa and I don't know who is this".
I'll give you a proof. This is the transaction ID sent by dsadsa: https://mempool.space/tx/c306113746b9cf78d6823ee75260ad311d612f0ae3c145207bccf71b2fdb5e44
Which was replaced by this one: https://mempool.space/tx/e5e783122e3c2dcd3b4ec3b1ed5533fe3b0438512c5597625351d0f108737c7f
The coins were sent to this address: bc1qtey6w27temcjdsv5uaglfa97d3a56flfv6w7eh which was used as input in the transaction you shared as proof of payment (it's your address)
So, can you explain why someone you don't even know who he is (sdasda) sent you $500 worth of bitcoin?
OP, from the screenshot you posted, in one of your replies you said this: "Give me proof it's me and take money I m not dsadsa and I don't know who is this".
I'll give you a proof. This is the transaction ID sent by dsadsa: https://mempool.space/tx/c306113746b9cf78d6823ee75260ad311d612f0ae3c145207bccf71b2fdb5e44
Which was replaced by this one: https://mempool.space/tx/e5e783122e3c2dcd3b4ec3b1ed5533fe3b0438512c5597625351d0f108737c7f
The coins were sent to this address: bc1qtey6w27temcjdsv5uaglfa97d3a56flfv6w7eh which was used as input in the transaction you shared as proof of payment (it's your address)
Proof of Payment:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/5bf44f3b65573b3c8e975eb0f68e991a77621e037ff4492856e4c126d5c27222
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/5bf44f3b65573b3c8e975eb0f68e991a77621e037ff4492856e4c126d5c27222
So, can you explain why someone you don't even know who he is (sdasda) sent you $500 worth of bitcoin?
Nice work. As soon as I realized there were two conflicting scam accusations I figured the blockchain could shed some light on the truth.
Should I send the difference back or punish this little scammer for what he did? I cannot be the first victim, nor the last one. I think I'll send 50 USD to khaled0111 and donate the rest to an animal shelter or something.
Stealing from a thief is still stealing. It's been proven that he stole from you, and now you've recovered that money. If there's a way to prove the remainder was also stolen, then it should be returned to it's rightful owners. Otherwise, no matter what noble cause on which you propose to spend the money makes it any less theft on your part.
Took less than 2 minutes for the first confirmation to take place, it surprised me as it was really fast but it's Saturday today so the chain isn't as crowded as it is during week days. His "calculations" did not have that in.
Thank you for the suggestion, I will try and identify the victim/s if they are members of this forum which I doubt, he probably scammed someone in a Telegram group as that is how a lot of these scammers operate.
And Deon, share your inner workings with us, I too am interested in learning how rotten someone has to be to steal money from people.
Will you move your topic to the scam accusations? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 Thank you for the suggestion, I will try and identify the victim/s if they are members of this forum which I doubt, he probably scammed someone in a Telegram group as that is how a lot of these scammers operate.
And Deon, share your inner workings with us, I too am interested in learning how rotten someone has to be to steal money from people.
OP, from the screenshot you posted, in one of your replies you said this: "Give me proof it's me and take money I m not dsadsa and I don't know who is this".
I'll give you a proof. This is the transaction ID sent by dsadsa: https://mempool.space/tx/c306113746b9cf78d6823ee75260ad311d612f0ae3c145207bccf71b2fdb5e44
Which was replaced by this one: https://mempool.space/tx/e5e783122e3c2dcd3b4ec3b1ed5533fe3b0438512c5597625351d0f108737c7f
The coins were sent to this address: bc1qtey6w27temcjdsv5uaglfa97d3a56flfv6w7eh which was used as input in the transaction you shared as proof of payment (it's your address)
So, can you explain why someone you don't even know who he is (sdasda) sent you $500 worth of bitcoin?
Don't you love the blockchain? I'll give you a proof. This is the transaction ID sent by dsadsa: https://mempool.space/tx/c306113746b9cf78d6823ee75260ad311d612f0ae3c145207bccf71b2fdb5e44
Which was replaced by this one: https://mempool.space/tx/e5e783122e3c2dcd3b4ec3b1ed5533fe3b0438512c5597625351d0f108737c7f
The coins were sent to this address: bc1qtey6w27temcjdsv5uaglfa97d3a56flfv6w7eh which was used as input in the transaction you shared as proof of payment (it's your address)
Proof of Payment:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/5bf44f3b65573b3c8e975eb0f68e991a77621e037ff4492856e4c126d5c27222
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/5bf44f3b65573b3c8e975eb0f68e991a77621e037ff4492856e4c126d5c27222
So, can you explain why someone you don't even know who he is (sdasda) sent you $500 worth of bitcoin?
Should I send the difference back or punish this little scammer for what he did? I cannot be the first victim, nor the last one.
Now that's an interesting ethical question I don't have a direct answer for.OP was connected to the scammer, the "extra" funds that he sent he sent to gain my trust and scam a lot more in the future from me. That or something went wrong and he couldn't double spend like with the previous account. His money will be donated.
Do you know how long it took between the transaction and confirmation? We've had many blocks recently, and double spending isn't a guaranteed game indeed.I see, right now I'm 100% sure the money he sent me he scammed from someone else so I have decided to donate those money to an animal shelter (I love cats). If I send the coins back to him he will keep on doing what he does best, scam people out of their hard earned money.
I'd say don't refund him yet. Maybe you'll be able to find earlier victims if you trace back where the funds came from. Refunding them is much more satisfying.@Deonnn: Since you so clearly got busted with on-chain evidence, do you mind playing open cards here? Be honest, come clean, share your experiences as a scammer with the Bitcointalk community. I'd love to see inside a scammer's mind!
Took less than 2 minutes for the first confirmation to take place, it surprised me as it was really fast but it's Saturday today so the chain isn't as crowded as it is during week days. His "calculations" did not have that in.
Thank you for the suggestion, I will try and identify the victim/s if they are members of this forum which I doubt, he probably scammed someone in a Telegram group as that is how a lot of these scammers operate.
And Deon, share your inner workings with us, I too am interested in learning how rotten someone has to be to steal money from people.
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