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September 07, 2011, 12:12:22 PM
#29
You can try AOCLBF For windows (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/aoclbf-was-phoenix-rising-phoenixpoclbm-gui-with-built-in-overclock-tool-10264) which is a miner and over clock tool in one.

This is what I use with very good results.

jr. member
Activity: 43
Merit: 10
September 07, 2011, 10:31:59 AM
#28
With trixx you can set each card separately,i have a 5850(925/300),5830(1025/300) and a 4830(750/750) in the same system.And i have voltage control (except the 4830)
sr. member
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September 07, 2011, 02:00:52 AM
#27

Hey stryker, looks like your #2 5800 is outperforming mine by quite a bit despite being clocked 25MHz lower.  Could you elaborate on your miners setup?  I'm on phoenix and posted the options I'm using in the post directly before yours.


Also, a general question for all who may read.  I have been decreasing the mem clock on this card and now that I am down to 550 from 800 previously my mhash rate is up from 287 to around 293.  Is this a benefit of the lower memory clock rate?  I was under the impression that a lower memory rate was just a measure to save wattage.

Hi, I run it with the software and params below:

screen -d -m python phoenix.py -u http://[email protected]_miner1:[email protected]:8332 -k phatk DEVICE=1 VECTORS BFI_INT FASTLOOP=false AGGRESSION=10 WORKSIZE=256

I also use the optimized phatk kernel which accounts for about 5-8mh/s better speeds.

I've seen all sorts of claims on what makes GPUs perform better, even specific aggression levels depending on the motherboard slot.... I say play and have fun :-)

You do want to lower the memory clocks tho as mining does not make extensive use of the GPU's RAM so better off reducing the clocks thus heat

The better card is a sapphire and the software I use is linuxcoin running off a usb pendrive
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btcmerchant
September 07, 2011, 12:11:50 AM
#26
You can try AOCLBF For windows (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/aoclbf-was-phoenix-rising-phoenixpoclbm-gui-with-built-in-overclock-tool-10264) which is a miner and over clock tool in one.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 502
September 06, 2011, 11:48:28 PM
#25
Unwinder just released a version to control two cards not synced nor bridged. I don't know if it can control 3 or more.

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=4085446&postcount=9

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September 06, 2011, 11:40:02 PM
#24
Apparently my card(s) doesn't support it I have never been able to use it although I have checked the box to unlock it.  Unless someone with the same card can correct me on that.  I might check out trixx.  I really like that Afb will put a GPU temp reading in the systray as I can see the temp at a glance by remoting into the machine without having to interact with the desktop.
I have found that trixx is much more reliable then afterburner but I feel the same way about the temp monitoring. My solution was to overclock with trixx monitor my temps with afterburner.
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September 06, 2011, 11:31:46 PM
#23
Apparently my card(s) doesn't support it I have never been able to use it although I have checked the box to unlock it.  Unless someone with the same card can correct me on that.  I might check out trixx.  I really like that Afb will put a GPU temp reading in the systray as I can see the temp at a glance by remoting into the machine without having to interact with the desktop.
hero member
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September 06, 2011, 11:25:29 PM
#22
I use sapphire trixx .Does afterburner give you voltage control?

If your card supports it. Gotta unlock voltage control in settings.
jr. member
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September 06, 2011, 10:24:15 PM
#21
I use sapphire trixx .Does afterburner give you voltage control?
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September 06, 2011, 10:14:08 PM
#20
I have that same card and i run it at 1025/300 1.175 volts. -v    -f1 give me the best hash rate(320-325),if i put -w128 the rate goes down

I discovered that I am losing around 2-4 Mhps by using the WORKSIZE=128.  I stopped that.  I am convinced that dropping the mem clock does increase the hash rate for some reason.  I have tried it on two machines and am getting a better rate 2-3 mhps by dropping from 1000 Mhz to 500 Mhz.  I don't know why.  I am using MSI Afterburner to set clocks and apparently it won't let me go below 500, I may not want to for usability as others have said.  I am using phoenix not poclbm so my options are a bit different from yours.
jr. member
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September 06, 2011, 09:48:25 PM
#19
I have that same card and i run it at 1025/300 1.175 volts. -v    -f1 give me the best hash rate(320-325),if i put -w128 the rate goes down
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September 06, 2011, 08:27:45 PM
#18
I would bump the mem clocks up for general usability, 300mhz is a bit slow for graphics performance.  The only loss is slightly higher power usage, maybe 10W or so.
legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
September 06, 2011, 05:52:28 PM
#17
So to answer the questions.  I am using MSI Afterburner to do the overclocking and I do have the unofficial OC enabled.

The Brand is Sapphire and the model I believe is 100297-2L  Let me know if that doesn't make sense. (this one does vent into the case)

VGA SAPPHIRE|100297-2L HD5830 1G

same as I have.. above is the part number from my newegg invoice.

mine is in a dedicated mining rig with XP Pro so cant comment on aero with low mem clocks. I use trixx for overclocking. PSU is an Antec Basiq 500. not a high end PSU by any means, just a decent no nonsense one. using GUIMiner with "-v -w 256 -f 5" flags
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September 06, 2011, 05:11:38 PM
#16
2. ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series   (:0.2)
    engine clock 925MHz, memory clock 325MHz, core voltage 1.163VDC, performance level 2, utilization 99%
    fan speed 65% (2179 RPM) (user-defined)
    temperature 45.5 C

2 = 295 Mh/s

Number 2 (5830), forget what it is... xfd maybe.... very disappointing 925 is as fast as it will go and remain stable.

Hey stryker, looks like your #2 5800 is outperforming mine by quite a bit despite being clocked 25MHz lower.  Could you elaborate on your miners setup?  I'm on phoenix and posted the options I'm using in the post directly before yours.


Also, a general question for all who may read.  I have been decreasing the mem clock on this card and now that I am down to 550 from 800 previously my mhash rate is up from 287 to around 293.  Is this a benefit of the lower memory clock rate?  I was under the impression that a lower memory rate was just a measure to save wattage.
sr. member
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September 06, 2011, 03:29:56 PM
#15
0. ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series (:0.0)
    engine clock 950MHz, memory clock 325MHz, core voltage 1.2VDC, performance level 2, utilization 98%
    unable to get fan speed
    temperature 39 C
1. ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series   (:0.1)
    engine clock 995MHz, memory clock 325MHz, core voltage 1.163VDC, performance level 2, utilization 99%
    fan speed 65% (2649 RPM) (user-defined)
    temperature 46 C
2. ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series   (:0.2)
    engine clock 925MHz, memory clock 325MHz, core voltage 1.163VDC, performance level 2, utilization 99%
    fan speed 65% (2179 RPM) (user-defined)
    temperature 45.5 C

0 = 209 Mh/s
1 = 318 Mh/s
2 = 295 Mh/s

Number 0 (5770)
Number 1 (5830), is a sapphire, I could push it faster.
Number 2 (5830), forget what it is... xfd maybe.... very disappointing 925 is as fast as it will go and remain stable.
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September 06, 2011, 03:28:32 PM
#14
Wow a lot of replies!

So to answer the questions.  I am using MSI Afterburner to do the overclocking and I do have the unofficial OC enabled.

The Brand is Sapphire and the model I believe is 100297-2L  Let me know if that doesn't make sense. (this one does vent into the case)

This is in a machine that my wife has to use daily so it has to be stable and usable.  If I underclock the mem to 300-325 will it be noticeable when using the windows areo?  My temps aren't bad the case is an NZXT PanzerBox case with 2 300mm fans plus one 120 in the back. I'm currently running around 66C with an ambient room temp of ~72F.

I don't think it's a PSU issue,  the supply is an XFX XXX 650W it has two dedicated 6-pins and is only powering the system and this card. Core 2 Duo 3.016 GHz

I am only getting around 287 Mhashs which I think is a little low.  For reference here are the CL options copied directly from the phoenix guiminer.  -k phatk VECTORS BFI_INT AGRESSION=9 FASTLOOP=TRUE
legendary
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1000
September 06, 2011, 12:54:48 PM
#13
Relax, in the long run you are better off staying away from the bleeding edge. i have some 5830's and i run them at 950 exactly as you are now, they could go up to 1000 but i prefer stability, also 310Mhash/s is very good for a 5830, that's 5850 territory.

I couldn't agree more..  I run my 5830's at 920.  I get about 280Mhash. 
I don't push any of my cards above 950. I would rather have the stability.

the most I get is 420Mhash from the 5870's at 940
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September 06, 2011, 11:26:34 AM
#12
I have 8 and can push most of them to 330 mhash without needing to go to 1040 but at 1030 they are around there 328
bit strangely I have learned the two that are actually in the 1st agp slot and used as a display need to be clocked a little lower  around 960-970 max.

Also, another odd thing is a notice running them at max doesn't really pay... at least not on elgius where I am currently mining, when I drop the clock to about 1020 and 320 mem and aggression levels 1 number dif for each card, like 9, 8,7,6 from the furthest out card to the display card in slot one being lowest aggression I get astoundingly better hash rates from the averages reported by elgius (which is what matters) over what mhash my cards say they are doing. 



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September 06, 2011, 11:19:57 AM
#11
Relax, in the long run you are better off staying away from the bleeding edge. i have some 5830's and i run them at 950 exactly as you are now, they could go up to 1000 but i prefer stability, also 310Mhash/s is very good for a 5830, that's 5850 territory.

You're an idiot if you think 311 is 5850 territory. That is the low end speed for non overclocked 5850. If you do a 900/300 overclock which is very moderate that's 375 megahash. 5850's can be pushed stably to 400 megahash.

huh. guess I got lucky and scored a good one. I thought all 5830s were good for an easy 1000+ on the core..
Sapphire tends to be a very reliable brand. I have 4 5830's total and each can do exactly what you say.
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September 06, 2011, 09:31:12 AM
#10
I bought a batch of 5 Sapphire 5830 'Xtreme's a while back, they all clock a bit differently.

Rig 1:  ASrock Extreme3,  750W + 480W PSU, 2x 6950 in the 16x slots, 2x 5830 in the 1x slots.
The 5830s are rock solid at 1010/300 for ~320MH/s each.

Rig 2:  ASrock Extreme3,  750W + 480W PSU, 2x 6950 in the 16x slots, 2x 5830 in the 1x slots.
The 5830s lock everything up at anything > 930/300 for ~292MH/s each.

The 6950s are clocked the same in both boards, 885/760.

Another rig has two 'older' Sapphire 5830s, they're unhappy > 940/300, and yet another single-card rig has one of the Xtremes stable at 970/300.

The stable clock rates seem to be dependent on the motherboard more than anything else for me - if I swap the cards between the two ASrock boards, Rig 1 is still happy at 1010/300, and Rig 2 still locks up > 940/300.

This tells me the 5830s all probably have a bit of headroom still, but the motherboards can't push 'em that hard without getting a bit squirrely.
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