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I'm not trying to start anything and great job phorensic on the stats table I know you were up all night doing that.  One thought though and you can take it or leave it.   Perhaps there should be another entry to the stats table for current block
obviously there will be no block number but it could have a null entry to display current total shares and also miner shares submitted.  Just something static cause if you miners aren't connected currently you wont be able to see how many shares they each produced this round.  Just my .02
Thanks for the props.  I have worked on the pool from 8pm to sunrise the next day more times than I can count, including last night.

I was thinking about implementing your idea last night.  However, all the info you are talking about is displayed already.  Current Block is actually "Shares this Round" on the front page.  Also, the total number of shares your workers have submitted for the Current "Block"/Round is in the Manage Workers page, albeit not totalled up.  And the mysql query should get your total shares and stales whether your miners are connected or not.  I'll have to add a total.  Which then points out an obvious thing - the stats are spread out everywhere!  Might need to consolidate.  Thanks for the feedback.

Edit:  Shoot, you are right it doesn't show your worker stats if they are idle, hold on...

Yea the worker pages works good unless for some reason your proxy decides to take a crap on you and then you cant see any stats.   Which was my case.  No rush phorensic your doing a great job on all the new add ons.  I just figured I might say something for other all nighters haha.  Anyhow man keep up the good work and lets find some more blocks! hahah

hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
I'm not trying to start anything and great job phorensic on the stats table I know you were up all night doing that.  One thought though and you can take it or leave it.   Perhaps there should be another entry to the stats table for current block
obviously there will be no block number but it could have a null entry to display current total shares and also miner shares submitted.  Just something static cause if you miners aren't connected currently you wont be able to see how many shares they each produced this round.  Just my .02
Thanks for the props.  I have worked on the pool from 8pm to sunrise the next day more times than I can count, including last night.

I was thinking about implementing your idea last night.  However, all the info you are talking about is displayed already.  Current Block is actually "Shares this Round" on the front page.  Also, the total number of shares your workers have submitted for the Current "Block"/Round is in the Manage Workers page, albeit not totalled up.  And the mysql query should get your total shares and stales whether your miners are connected or not.  I'll have to add a total.  Which then points out an obvious thing - the stats are spread out everywhere!  Might need to consolidate.  Thanks for the feedback.

Edit:  Shoot, you are right it doesn't show your worker stats if they are idle, hold on...
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I'm not sure if you have registered on our site and seen what is being discussed, or just going on assumption based on what's been posted here, but I just wanted to clear that up.

Logging into your front end should probably lead users straight to the account details page, rather than stats page.

I think that's a great idea
full member
Activity: 434
Merit: 101
I'm not trying to start anything and great job phorensic on the stats table I know you were up all night doing that.  One thought though and you can take it or leave it.   Perhaps there should be another entry to the stats table for current block
obviously there will be no block number but it could have a null entry to display current total shares and also miner shares submitted.  Just something static cause if you miners aren't connected currently you wont be able to see how many shares they each produced this round.  Just my .02
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
I'm not sure if you have registered on our site and seen what is being discussed, or just going on assumption based on what's been posted here, but I just wanted to clear that up.

I registered and minded last month. In fact, I just remembered to go in there and check my balance.  It turns out that my little 340 shares earned me 0.010497 BTC. So I just made a manual withdraw.

Since I am in the USA, I don't really mind the top-right "value" of my bitcoins with you.  However, as a webmaster, and marketer, I feel that the less actions a user/visitor needs to make to get to the info that they want, the better.  Logging into your front end should probably lead users straight to the account details page, rather than stats page.
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I just noticed he quit because he couldn't see his balance in BTC, even though it was in Account Details the whole time.  That's pretty funny  Cheesy

The BTC value is polled every 5 minutes from TradeHill and stored in our database.  The two values underneath are simply your BTC * TradeHill worth in the last 5 minutes, rounded to two decimal places.  I'm not sure how you can claim they aren't accurate?

It's NOT funny.  You need to treat this like a business, not a hobby.  Everything must be in BTC for a number of reasons, and consistency is just one of them. Who cares what the tradehill value is (in any currency)?  This value fluctuates, because it is volatile in nature. (Other nations' fiat currency fluctuates too, but not as big as BTC)

Sure, your calculations on the TH market value is accurate up to the USD cent, but if there is no change in BTC in the balance, the "accurate" amount in that field goes up or down.  One can log in today, see their USD equivalent balance as "$14.35" and have no change in bitcoins, yet log in tomorrow and see "$14.67" or "$13.97" etc.  This is not an accurate representation of what the user has in their balance in bitcoins.

You lost a member/user. That is not funny. Laughing at them in a public forum, where you are showing your transparency and hoping to get more users, is bad customer service, and shows poor judgement.

I pointed out in an earlier post that the BTC value is on the account details page, I may have not been completely clear since I put that part in parentheses.  It seems that everyone is assuming that we only display your current and unconfirmed balance in USD, which is not the case.  The account details page lists actual balance, unconfirmed balance, and estimated reward, all in BTC value.  The top right display is just a dashboard for monetary value and a place to put our plug for a Tradehill referral link.  We don't store any USD values anywhere on the site, all user accounts are handled in BTC and displayed plainly on the account page.  We are not hiding anything, and I think we've been pretty transparent about that fact and what we intended the top right portion of the site to accomplish (revenue).

I'm not sure if you have registered on our site and seen what is being discussed, or just going on assumption based on what's been posted here, but I just wanted to clear that up.

Also, I certainly don't find it funny to lose a member over a miscommunication or misunderstanding of our front end.  I thought I had explained to Mabsark that he could easily see the BTC value on the account details page, but either he overlooked that portion or I wasn't clear enough in my post to bring that point home to him.  Hopefully, he finds his way back to our pool but in case he doesn't I wish him the best of luck in his mining.
hero member
Activity: 630
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Our users balances are not stored in USD, they are stored in BTC in the database to 8 decimal places.  If you click on the Account Details page you can see your confirmed, unconfirmed, and estimated rewards in BTC.  The upper-right hand box is a fun way of seeing how much your BTC are worth in USD, nothing more.
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
I just noticed he quit because he couldn't see his balance in BTC, even though it was in Account Details the whole time.  That's pretty funny  Cheesy

The BTC value is polled every 5 minutes from TradeHill and stored in our database.  The two values underneath are simply your BTC * TradeHill worth in the last 5 minutes, rounded to two decimal places.  I'm not sure how you can claim they aren't accurate?

It's NOT funny.  You need to treat this like a business, not a hobby.  Everything must be in BTC for a number of reasons, and consistency is just one of them. Who cares what the tradehill value is (in any currency)?  This value fluctuates, because it is volatile in nature. (Other nations' fiat currency fluctuates too, but not as big as BTC)

Sure, your calculations on the TH market value is accurate up to the USD cent, but if there is no change in BTC in the balance, the "accurate" amount in that field goes up or down.  One can log in today, see their USD equivalent balance as "$14.35" and have no change in bitcoins, yet log in tomorrow and see "$14.67" or "$13.97" etc.  This is not an accurate representation of what the user has in their balance in bitcoins.

You lost a member/user. That is not funny. Laughing at them in a public forum, where you are showing your transparency and hoping to get more users, is bad customer service, and shows poor judgement.
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Excellent Nice work on the table phorensic.  I think that will definitely boost user confidence.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
The "Bitcoin value" with the Tradehill link is fine, it's the 2 balances underneath it that make no sense. The price of USD compared to BTC is continually fluctuating so those balances will never be accurate. They absolutely 100% need to be in BTC. The user's local currency will not do, it needs to be BTC or it's totally inaccurate.
The BTC value is polled every 5 minutes from TradeHill and stored in our database.  The two values underneath are simply your BTC * TradeHill worth in the last 5 minutes, rounded to two decimal places.  I'm not sure how you can claim they aren't accurate?
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
I had a feeling that USD would not be the best unit for the upper right-hand display.  However, all your account balances are listed in BTC in the Account Details screen. Mining Farm added in a feature a couple versions ago where you can set your currency as the unit for the upper right-hand display.  I'm not sure if that is the best idea, though.  I might want to make it BTC throughout all pages, just to keep things consistent with the global nature of BTC.  I'll hack on it tonight.
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Activity: 75
Merit: 10
That's much better. Now at least we can see that something is happening. Cheers.

Could you change the balances from USD? I don't care what they're worth in USD as I'm from the UK. Also, listing the balances in USD just means that those values are inaccurate.

Keep the "Bitcoin value", in fact add GBP and EUR in as well, but those balances need to be in BTC.

The reason it's in USD and the reason we put a monetary figure on it is pretty specific.  One, we charge 0 fees, so if you'll notice the current value is a link to our Tradehill referral link.  That's so the pool can try to earn some income to pay for itself.  Having a dedicated server on a decent network with power protection, DDoS protection, etc, isn't cheap.  Second, we are in the US so we chose to use USD.

I think you have a valid concern, and maybe in the future we can add something in the account details for default currency to display (one of them simply being BTC, but all of that info is available in the account details page) but for the time being it's going to stay as USD.  There are more important things to add at this early point in the pool's life.  I'm sorry if that's not the answer you wanted to hear at this moment but it will be addressed some time in the future.

The "Bitcoin value" with the Tradehill link is fine, it's the 2 balances underneath it that make no sense. The price of USD compared to BTC is continually fluctuating so those balances will never be accurate. They absolutely 100% need to be in BTC. The user's local currency will not do, it needs to be BTC or it's totally inaccurate.

Sorry, but I'm not mining under those condition. I'm out.



Well, I'm sorry we weren't the pool for you.  Thank you for the time you spent mining with us, check back with us in a few weeks and we may have those changes implemented by then.

Good luck at your next pool, I hope they have all the features you are looking for.

Thanks
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1004
That's much better. Now at least we can see that something is happening. Cheers.

Could you change the balances from USD? I don't care what they're worth in USD as I'm from the UK. Also, listing the balances in USD just means that those values are inaccurate.

Keep the "Bitcoin value", in fact add GBP and EUR in as well, but those balances need to be in BTC.

The reason it's in USD and the reason we put a monetary figure on it is pretty specific.  One, we charge 0 fees, so if you'll notice the current value is a link to our Tradehill referral link.  That's so the pool can try to earn some income to pay for itself.  Having a dedicated server on a decent network with power protection, DDoS protection, etc, isn't cheap.  Second, we are in the US so we chose to use USD.

I think you have a valid concern, and maybe in the future we can add something in the account details for default currency to display (one of them simply being BTC, but all of that info is available in the account details page) but for the time being it's going to stay as USD.  There are more important things to add at this early point in the pool's life.  I'm sorry if that's not the answer you wanted to hear at this moment but it will be addressed some time in the future.

The "Bitcoin value" with the Tradehill link is fine, it's the 2 balances underneath it that make no sense. The price of USD compared to BTC is continually fluctuating so those balances will never be accurate. They absolutely 100% need to be in BTC. The user's local currency will not do, it needs to be BTC or it's totally inaccurate.

I might give you guys a try later then, but it's not for me at the moment.

member
Activity: 75
Merit: 10
That's much better. Now at least we can see that something is happening. Cheers.

Could you change the balances from USD? I don't care what they're worth in USD as I'm from the UK. Also, listing the balances in USD just means that those values are inaccurate.

Keep the "Bitcoin value", in fact add GBP and EUR in as well, but those balances need to be in BTC.

The reason it's in USD and the reason we put a monetary figure on it is pretty specific.  One, we charge 0 fees, so if you'll notice the current value is a link to our Tradehill referral link.  That's so the pool can try to earn some income to pay for itself.  Having a dedicated server on a decent network with power protection, DDoS protection, etc, isn't cheap.  Second, we are in the US so we chose to use USD.

I think you have a valid concern, and maybe in the future we can add something in the account details for default currency to display (one of them simply being BTC, but all of that info is available in the account details page) but for the time being it's going to stay as USD.  There are more important things to add at this early point in the pool's life.  I'm sorry if that's not the answer you wanted to hear at this moment but it will be addressed some time in the future.
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1004
That's much better. Now at least we can see that something is happening. Cheers.

Could you change the balances from USD? I don't care what they're worth in USD as I'm from the UK. Also, listing the balances in USD just means that those values are inaccurate.

Keep the "Bitcoin value", in fact add GBP and EUR in as well, but those balances need to be in BTC.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
Added block history with shares and stales stats to Block Statistics and Manage Workers pages.  Examples below:





I told you I was working on adding features! lol
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1004
Yeah, the website is pretty useless without any stats. If you've got the info in a database then what's the problem dispalying it? It's a 5 minute job to throw a simple table up so if it's not sorted by the end of the day I'll probably bail out due to lack of confidence in the site.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
d3c0n808, I hear you.  Mining Farm #2 did not come with stats where it shows how many shares were in each round and how many you submitted, stales, etc.  This is all tracked in the database, but not shown in the front-end.  I am working on adding these features.

Found Another Block
We just found our second block!  Just a few more confirms and we get paid! Woohoo!

Fixing unconfirmed balance display...grrrrr. Edit: Fixed now.
full member
Activity: 434
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Phorensic and Bitcoinaddict.   I think what mining farm is lacking is transparency.   Which makes people nervous in my opinion.  People want to see how many shares they went through.  How long, it took, etc etc.   That being said, everyone join up were at almost 900k shares this round which means we are more than half way there.
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I guess people don't like bonuses?  Barely hitting 10gh/s even with a bounty!

No one likes free BTC or what?
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