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Quote from: BrewMaster on April 15, 2017, 10:53:53 AM

Quote from: rizzlarolla on April 15, 2017, 10:45:39 AM

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You would think, but not so.

Bitfury still fill blocks with low fee spam from addy 3QQB6AWxaga6wTs6Xwq8FYppgrGinGu15f before higher fee paying real tx's.
See for example https://blockchain.info/block-index/1477998

Addy https://blockchain.info/address/3QQB6AWxaga6wTs6Xwq8FYppgrGinGu15f has sent 140238tx's, all spam, nearly all relayed by Bitfury.

yes i have seen those before but for every one of these low fee spams there are so much more with higher fees.
and bitfury only finds 11% of the blocks nothing more. so that would be practically ineffective because other miners reject them.

But for every one of these low fee tx's (sending nothing exept a fee) included in a Bitfury block, another higher paying fee is not included, meaning fees rise further. 140,000 tx's from 1 addy, sending nothing except low fee, have been included in Bitfury blocks, while "recommended fee" paying tx's (6x higher fee or more) are left in the mempool.

140,000 tx's at 386 bytes equals around 5.5 blocks created by 1 addy, mined by Bitfury, sending 0 btc.
Can't be helping anything.

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Quote from: rizzlarolla on April 15, 2017, 10:45:39 AM

-snip-
You would think, but not so.

Bitfury still fill blocks with low fee spam from addy 3QQB6AWxaga6wTs6Xwq8FYppgrGinGu15f before higher fee paying real tx's.
See for example https://blockchain.info/block-index/1477998

Addy https://blockchain.info/address/3QQB6AWxaga6wTs6Xwq8FYppgrGinGu15f has sent 140238tx's, all spam, nearly all relayed by Bitfury.

yes i have seen those before but for every one of these low fee spams there are so much more with higher fees.
and bitfury only finds 11% of the blocks nothing more. so that would be practically ineffective because other miners reject them.

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 15, 2017, 10:49:14 AM

c) the fuller the blocks are naturally, the less extra space there is , so cheaper to spam (this is why bigger blocks will help fight spam)

i find this statement contradictory.
cheaper to spam means easier to make more transactions.

and how much bigger blocks are we talking about!
1.2 MB 1.5 or 2 or 10 MB or 20
are nodes and miners really ready for that size. i don't think so.

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Quote from: BrewMaster on April 15, 2017, 10:27:30 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 15, 2017, 10:25:06 AM

Quote from: BrewMaster on April 15, 2017, 10:21:44 AM

Quote from: OmegaStarScream on April 15, 2017, 10:17:16 AM

Things are definitely better then It was yesterday, I have a question though, If this is indeed a spam attack, anybody could do it? or this require money and resources to do? curious how It's done but If it require money, I believe big whales are behind it.

i am no expert but some things (i think) are obvious. for example the transactions need to be paying higher fees or they would be useless. so each paying 200-300 satoshi per byte.

only useless to real user. spammer doesnt need to pay anywhere near that cost. they can put absolute minimum that would be relayed whatever that is (no fee?) im not sure

if there are 1 million transactions paying 10 satoshi per byte i pay 20 satoshi per byte and i will have priority over all of the 1 million spam transctions so miners will pick my tx.

they spam to take the space in the block (fill it up) not to take the space in the memory pool. and to take the block you need to have higher priority hence the higher fee.

you are partially right..but

a) they can still bid very low and cause problems
b) it contributes to high fees for everyone else
c) the fuller the blocks are naturally, the less extra space there is , so cheaper to spam (this is why bigger blocks will help fight spam)

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Quote from: BrewMaster on April 15, 2017, 10:27:30 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 15, 2017, 10:25:06 AM

Quote from: BrewMaster on April 15, 2017, 10:21:44 AM

Quote from: OmegaStarScream on April 15, 2017, 10:17:16 AM

Things are definitely better then It was yesterday, I have a question though, If this is indeed a spam attack, anybody could do it? or this require money and resources to do? curious how It's done but If it require money, I believe big whales are behind it.

i am no expert but some things (i think) are obvious. for example the transactions need to be paying higher fees or they would be useless. so each paying 200-300 satoshi per byte.

only useless to real user. spammer doesnt need to pay anywhere near that cost. they can put absolute minimum that would be relayed whatever that is (no fee?) im not sure

if there are 1 million transactions paying 10 satoshi per byte i pay 20 satoshi per byte and i will have priority over all of the 1 million spam transctions so miners will pick my tx.

they spam to take the space in the block (fill it up) not to take the space in the memory pool. and to take the block you need to have higher priority hence the higher fee.

You would think, but not so.

Bitfury still fill blocks with low fee spam from addy 3QQB6AWxaga6wTs6Xwq8FYppgrGinGu15f before higher fee paying real tx's.
See for example https://blockchain.info/block-index/1477998

Addy https://blockchain.info/address/3QQB6AWxaga6wTs6Xwq8FYppgrGinGu15f has sent 140238tx's, all spam, nearly all relayed by Bitfury.

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Quote from: Killerpotleaf on April 14, 2017, 02:00:47 AM

We need bigger blocks... lets all just run le BU

Hahahaha oh ya but then we'll also have unlimited bitcoins and they're going to be worthless. That sounds great let's all jump on board.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 15, 2017, 10:25:06 AM

Quote from: BrewMaster on April 15, 2017, 10:21:44 AM

Quote from: OmegaStarScream on April 15, 2017, 10:17:16 AM

Things are definitely better then It was yesterday, I have a question though, If this is indeed a spam attack, anybody could do it? or this require money and resources to do? curious how It's done but If it require money, I believe big whales are behind it.

i am no expert but some things (i think) are obvious. for example the transactions need to be paying higher fees or they would be useless. so each paying 200-300 satoshi per byte.

only useless to real user. spammer doesnt need to pay anywhere near that cost. they can put absolute minimum that would be relayed whatever that is (no fee?) im not sure

if there are 1 million transactions paying 10 satoshi per byte i pay 20 satoshi per byte and i will have priority over all of the 1 million spam transctions so miners will pick my tx.

they spam to take the space in the block (fill it up) not to take the space in the memory pool. and to take the block you need to have higher priority hence the higher fee.

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Quote from: BrewMaster on April 15, 2017, 10:21:44 AM

Quote from: OmegaStarScream on April 15, 2017, 10:17:16 AM

Things are definitely better then It was yesterday, I have a question though, If this is indeed a spam attack, anybody could do it? or this require money and resources to do? curious how It's done but If it require money, I believe big whales are behind it.

i am no expert but some things (i think) are obvious. for example the transactions need to be paying higher fees or they would be useless. so each paying 200-300 satoshi per byte.

only useless to real user. spammer doesnt need to pay anywhere near that cost. they can put absolute minimum that would be relayed whatever that is (no fee?) im not sure

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on April 15, 2017, 10:17:16 AM

Things are definitely better then It was yesterday, I have a question though, If this is indeed a spam attack, anybody could do it? or this require money and resources to do? curious how It's done but If it require money, I believe big whales are behind it.

i am no expert but some things (i think) are obvious. for example the transactions need to be paying higher fees or they would be useless. so each paying 200-300 satoshi per byte. now multiply that by the number of transactions in the memory pool (60K-100K) or better multiply by how many of them are confirmed (which is more than that number) and you get the cost.

with that cost you can see who can or can not do it.

as other resources, this is obviously an automatic process. so some programming skills and a server is needed.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on April 15, 2017, 10:17:16 AM

Things are definitely better then It was yesterday, I have a question though, If this is indeed a spam attack, anybody could do it? or this require money and resources to do? curious how It's done but If it require money, I believe big whales are behind it.

anybody can do it. but yes some resources , you need a software to generate many transactions and money to pay for the fees, but actually not that much money because you can put tiny fee and send to yourself.

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Dear all
I thinks is nomal at price over $1120/BTC

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Things are definitely better then It was yesterday, I have a question though, If this is indeed a spam attack, anybody could do it? or this require money and resources to do? curious how It's done but If it require money, I believe big whales are behind it.

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It happens a lot lately.
The network can only do 7tps at maximum.
Some times even that doesn't happen.

But things are back to normal right now 9000 unconfirmed, piece of cake

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I remember the largest backlog was at around 200k right? During the so called "test" ?

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I don't believe it's any kind of attack. It didn't last a few hours if it even was.
Right now it's just 11k unconfirmed which is supposedly normal.

We need to realize that more and more numbers could exist. Don't we all hope that bitcoin becomes a worldwide currency?

Therefore, SegWit.

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I am surprised to see that there are actually this much amount of unconfirmed transactions but if you are giving the right amount of transaction fees then it will get through as i just sent some coins recently and it almost took an hour to get three confirmation ,i have given a fees of 0.0009 btc and i am sure even if you give a higher fees it will take the same amount of time.

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Quote from: mmo_online_1981 on April 15, 2017, 02:31:12 AM

I thinks with $238,789,000 volume per day, this is Still normal
Thanks

yup because the price of bitcoin affecting the volume in US dollar. if the bitcoin transacting volume in Us dollar is the same but 1/5 of the current bitcoin price, then it will be another situation (your transaction is gonna last forever to confirm Tongue

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I thinks with $238,789,000 volume per day, this is Still normal
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Is there any evidence of spam transactions occurring? Recently, the system has been just about coping. Most blocks where full to the limit. So it only takes a small increase in transaction demand, and a backlog will start to occur which takes time for the system to clear up, as their is very little free blockspace with which to clear the backlog up with.
Perhaps we should 'blame the Chinese' who might have started withdrawing funds from recently freed up exchange accounts?

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Quote from: Amph on April 15, 2017, 01:51:45 AM

Quote from: warwar on April 14, 2017, 10:48:26 PM

This numbers of unconfirmed transactions is being common and frequently happening in this days in blockchain network.Due to smaller blocks i think thats why there are big numbers of transctions that are unconfirmed.This is happening almost everyweek now in the network.

more likely it's people that don't pay the correct amount of fee or spam, i've always asked if there was a way to determine the spam and the real bitcoin usage, would be useful to knwo if we are still handling the real amount of transaction that are not pure spam

Maybe they were trying to determined what are the legit transaction are, there are some bugs now in transaction system taking up more minutes to be done,it may be due to a number of transaction one user is doing on that moment or because of the traffic on transaction that are too congested that is hard to process by the system. We just need to put our faith that soon those unconfirmed transactions will lead to a successful one.

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Quote from: warwar on April 14, 2017, 10:48:26 PM

This numbers of unconfirmed transactions is being common and frequently happening in this days in blockchain network.Due to smaller blocks i think thats why there are big numbers of transctions that are unconfirmed.This is happening almost everyweek now in the network.

more likely it's people that don't pay the correct amount of fee or spam, i've always asked if there was a way to determine the spam and the real bitcoin usage, would be useful to knwo if we are still handling the real amount of transaction that are not pure spam

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Quote from: BitFinnese on April 14, 2017, 05:00:24 PM

This is just 60k it will went thru eventually, I have seen more than 100k unconfirmed transaction and network still goes on, no delay on my transaction as long as I pay the right fee.

The main purpose of spamming the network is to make the fee rise even higher for those who want their transaction to be confirmed within a small amount of time. This discourage the use of Bitcoin. Your transaction will still be delayed if you send the transaction and a huge influx of transaction suddenly appear and your transaction would still be pushed to the bottom.

This shows the issue that Bitcoin has to address ASAP. Bitcoin has to be able to handle such loads, we can't just say "use an altcoin" for daily transactions.

Quote from: warwar on April 14, 2017, 10:48:26 PM

This numbers of unconfirmed transactions is being common and frequently happening in this days in blockchain network.Due to smaller blocks i think thats why there are big numbers of transctions that are unconfirmed.This is happening almost everyweek now in the network.

Actually, all of the blocks are filled right now. The problem is with the transaction volume.

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