8.5 Trillion Dollars? Now; that´s real money

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Quote from: Lauda on June 09, 2015, 02:31:06 AM

Nothing surprising there. However this number shouldn't be disregarded at all. They have either lost this amount of money (showing signs of corruption) or they have been doing secret projects everywhere that nobody really knows anything about.

I don't think that most of the money was lost to corruption. It seems that most of it was spent on classified projects, all over the world. The United States have been doing all sort of dirty work around the world for the last 70 years or so. This includes bribing local dictators and politicians, and supporting terrorist organizations. All this require money.

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Quote from: Biitcoin on June 06, 2015, 02:18:07 PM

It's nothing compared to how much Satoshi Nakamoto own in BTC , It just need a huge pump (like so huge) compared to the current price Roll Eyes

what you're talking about, satoshi hold at best 2M, which is 400M dollars, not even close to 8.5 trillion, and it does not matter in the case that you consider it short scale or long scale it is still far away form it

Quote from: kuroman on June 07, 2015, 07:51:16 PM

8.5 Trillion? that's too weak, kindly remind me of US total debt ? :^^

Ok watch this crazy numbers http://www.usdebtclock.org/
that figure which is almost reaching 62 trillion is nasty !!

funny how besides their debt keeps going up, the usd is still the strongest fiat, there is nothing that can make it collapse at this point, if that huge debt isn't doing it

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Well, they haven´t really lost 8.5 trillion dollars it´s more a question of extremely shoddy bookkeeping. They haven´t been able to square the books for like forever. The management must be eminently and chronically weak. And since it´s allowed to remain so for decades it follows that the mess is being used to hide both massive fraud and probably also some projects that can´t really see the light of day much.

Who´s really in charge?

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 08, 2015, 10:28:15 PM

Quote from: galdur on June 07, 2015, 04:27:30 AM

Wake up man, it´s fucking mob country where retards vote for homicidal maniacs, kleptocrats and psychopaths and have for decades. Mainstream media? Are you kidding?

That's true. The American mainstream media is one of the most biased in the world (especially MSNBC, CNN, CNBC.etc). But what surprises me is the attitude of the normal Americans. 90% of them refuse to protest against any of this, despite knowing the fact that it is their hard earned tax money, which is being stolen.

This is also something that I was dazzled with. Quite a decent percentage of them are now aware of the spying that is being done on them, but they don't care? I guess describing them with the word 'sheep' is more fitting than ever.

Quote from: kuroman on June 07, 2015, 07:51:16 PM

8.5 Trillion? that's too weak, kindly remind me of US total debt ? :^^

Ok watch this crazy numbers http://www.usdebtclock.org/
that figure which is almost reaching 62 trillion is nasty !!

Nothing surprising there. However this number shouldn't be disregarded at all. They have either lost this amount of money (showing signs of corruption) or they have been doing secret projects everywhere that nobody really knows anything about.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 08, 2015, 10:28:15 PM

90% of them refuse to protest against any of this, despite knowing the fact that it is their hard earned tax money, which is being stolen.

Quote from: username18333 on February 15, 2015, 08:00:23 PM

“Tax revenue” is a form of collateral for the loans provided to governments by central banks.

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Quote from: galdur on June 07, 2015, 04:27:30 AM

Wake up man, it´s fucking mob country where retards vote for homicidal maniacs, kleptocrats and psychopaths and have for decades. Mainstream media? Are you kidding?

That's true. The American mainstream media is one of the most biased in the world (especially MSNBC, CNN, CNBC.etc). But what surprises me is the attitude of the normal Americans. 90% of them refuse to protest against any of this, despite knowing the fact that it is their hard earned tax money, which is being stolen.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 06, 2015, 10:50:06 PM

In other words, a standard wing doesn't do it by standard wing physics. Rather, the standard wing is simply a glorified propeller that happens to not be rotary, right?

(Sorry, that elucidation was [mostly] irrelevant prior this one.) Air pressure is the result of the "meanderings" of "air" molecules. In the case of an enclosed environment, the particles would "meander" "down" upon the enclosure as well as meander "up" unto the rotor - counteracting lift.

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8.5 Trillion? that's too weak, kindly remind me of US total debt ? :^^

Ok watch this crazy numbers http://www.usdebtclock.org/
that figure which is almost reaching 62 trillion is nasty !!

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....This is the second installment in a series in which Reuters delves into the Defense Department’s inability to account for itself. The first article examined how the Pentagon’s record-keeping dysfunction results in widespread pay errors that inflict financial hardship on soldiers and sap morale. This account is based on interviews with scores of current and former Defense Department officials, as well as Reuters analyses of Pentagon logistics practices, bookkeeping methods, court cases and reports by federal agencies.

As the use of plugs indicates, pay errors are only a small part of the sums that annually disappear into the vast bureaucracy that manages more than half of all annual government outlays approved by Congress. The Defense Department’s 2012 budget totaled $565.8 billion, more than the annual defense budgets of the 10 next largest military spenders combined, including Russia and China. How much of that money is spent as intended is impossible to determine.

In its investigation, Reuters has found that the Pentagon is largely incapable of keeping track of its vast stores of weapons, ammunition and other supplies; thus it continues to spend money on new supplies it doesn’t need and on storing others long out of date. It has amassed a backlog of more than half a trillion dollars in unaudited contracts with outside vendors; how much of that money paid for actual goods and services delivered isn’t known. And it repeatedly falls prey to fraud and theft that can go undiscovered for years, often eventually detected by external law enforcement agencies.....

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/pentagon/#article/part2

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F35, The Jet That Ate the Pentagon

by Wolf Richter • April 21, 2015

“We don’t know where all the money is going.”

The F-35 is the most expensive weapons program in history, with a total cost of $1.5 trillion, that has turned into a total fiasco.

So here is an 8-minute documentary (with some cool footage of the thing flying, landing vertically, etc.) to give you the willies about how the system works, and what’s wrong with it.

Note the term, “concurrent development.” It’s a key concept – and at the core of why this deal went haywire.

http://wolfstreet.com/2015/04/21/f35-jet-that-ate-the-pentagon-concurrent-development/

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 07, 2015, 04:20:24 AM

Quote from: galdur on June 07, 2015, 04:14:26 AM

Well, it´s 19 years of "accounting" actually. And Uncle Sam´s Mickey Mouse budgets always have megatons of "off balance sheet" items anyway.

Still hard to believe that no one actually conducted a comprehensive audit of these items in the past two decades time. If a honest audit is allowed to be conducted (the chances of which are quite low, as per my understanding), thousands of high ranking officials are going to be in trouble (including some of the big names).

Still wondering why this news is not being covered by the mainstream media. Huh

Wake up man, it´s fucking mob country where retards vote for homicidal maniacs, kleptocrats and psychopaths and have for decades. Mainstream media? Are you kidding?

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Quote from: galdur on June 07, 2015, 04:14:26 AM

Well, it´s 19 years of "accounting" actually. And Uncle Sam´s Mickey Mouse budgets always have megatons of "off balance sheet" items anyway.

Still hard to believe that no one actually conducted a comprehensive audit of these items in the past two decades time. If a honest audit is allowed to be conducted (the chances of which are quite low, as per my understanding), thousands of high ranking officials are going to be in trouble (including some of the big names).

Still wondering why this news is not being covered by the mainstream media. Huh

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 07, 2015, 03:17:16 AM

Quote from: Lauda on June 07, 2015, 03:09:49 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 07, 2015, 01:49:05 AM

I think that most of this $8.5 billion might have been spend on secret missions and assignments, just like the recent Kiev intervention. This spending can't be made public, as it will anger a lot many of the allies of the United States (The US regularly back stab its allies, although it tries its best to pull things under the carpet). Grin

It clearly says Trillion, not billion.
$8.5 Billion = $8,500,000,000
$8.5 Trillion = $8,500,000,000,000

Oh.. my mistake. Sorry about it. But it is still confusing. I have heard that the US defense budget amounts to some $600 billion per year. And this $8,500 billion figure represents more than 14 years of total defense spending. No one really noticed this much money missing for such a long time? Difficult to believe all this.

Well, it´s 19 years of "accounting" actually. And Uncle Sam´s Mickey Mouse budgets always have megatons of "off balance sheet" items anyway. It was 2.3 Trillion that they couldn´t account for by 10th Sept. 2001 according to Rumsfeld and you have seen all the war scams since then.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 07, 2015, 03:17:16 AM

Quote from: Lauda on June 07, 2015, 03:09:49 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 07, 2015, 01:49:05 AM

I think that most of this $8.5 billion might have been spend on secret missions and assignments, just like the recent Kiev intervention. This spending can't be made public, as it will anger a lot many of the allies of the United States (The US regularly back stab its allies, although it tries its best to pull things under the carpet). Grin

It clearly says Trillion, not billion.
$8.5 Billion = $8,500,000,000
$8.5 Trillion = $8,500,000,000,000

Oh.. my mistake. Sorry about it. But it is still confusing. I have heard that the US defense budget amounts to some $600 billion per year. And this $8,500 billion figure represents more than 14 years of total defense spending. No one really noticed this much money missing for such a long time? Difficult to believe all this.

In it's really hard to believe, but I'm thinking this is not the limit.

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Quote from: Lauda on June 07, 2015, 03:09:49 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 07, 2015, 01:49:05 AM

I think that most of this $8.5 billion might have been spend on secret missions and assignments, just like the recent Kiev intervention. This spending can't be made public, as it will anger a lot many of the allies of the United States (The US regularly back stab its allies, although it tries its best to pull things under the carpet). Grin

It clearly says Trillion, not billion.
$8.5 Billion = $8,500,000,000
$8.5 Trillion = $8,500,000,000,000

Oh.. my mistake. Sorry about it. But it is still confusing. I have heard that the US defense budget amounts to some $600 billion per year. And this $8,500 billion figure represents more than 14 years of total defense spending. No one really noticed this much money missing for such a long time? Difficult to believe all this.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 07, 2015, 01:49:05 AM

I think that most of this $8.5 billion might have been spend on secret missions and assignments, just like the recent Kiev intervention. This spending can't be made public, as it will anger a lot many of the allies of the United States (The US regularly back stab its allies, although it tries its best to pull things under the carpet). Grin

It clearly says Trillion, not billion.
$8.5 Billion = $8,500,000,000
$8.5 Trillion = $8,500,000,000,000

The difference is huge. If it were $8.5 Billion as you've said, then it wouldn't be much of a deal for country the size of the USA. The daily budget is just over $10B. http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/us_deficit/us_deficit.html

$8.5 Trillion dollars is really a lot of money.
Here you can find a visualization
http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/us_debt/us_debt.html

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Major General Partridge: We have had some spectacular successes.
Congressman #1: Such as?
Major General Partridge: That's classified information!

The Pentagon Wars (1998)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDYpRhoZqBY

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I think that most of this $8.5 trillion might have been spend on secret missions and assignments, just like the recent Kiev intervention. This spending can't be made public, as it will anger a lot many of the allies of the United States (The US regularly back stab its allies, although it tries its best to pull things under the carpet). Grin

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Quote from: BADecker on June 06, 2015, 05:02:59 PM

No it wouldn't. It would work on the same principles that all the over-unity devices work. If the housing were large enough, and were shaped correctly, Newton's laws would be overcome.

Anything with positive mass that contacts another something with positive mass exerts an outward force on that something, regardless of whether or not it was in motion. Thus, the mechanical attachments of positive mass that maintain the relationship between the rotor and its housing would exert a force against the rotor when the rotor contacts it. Newton determined that the force would be the negation of the rotor's force (i.e., "equal" and opposite).

Something with negative mass would exert the negation of the force's negation (i.e., it would coincide with it).

In other words, a standard wing doesn't do it by standard wing physics. Rather, the standard wing is simply a glorified propeller that happens to not be rotary, right?

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Quote from: BADecker on June 06, 2015, 05:02:59 PM

Quote from: username18333 on June 06, 2015, 04:59:18 PM

Quote from: BADecker on June 06, 2015, 04:57:25 PM

Well, you could give my company a boost by telling them that my rotary wing works. Grin

(See my updated post.)

No it wouldn't. It would work on the same principles that all the over-unity devices work. If the housing were large enough, and were shaped correctly, Newton's laws would be overcome.

(We should actually go to that thread with this stuff.)

Nono, feel free to discuss it here if you like. No problem at all.

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