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Quote from: gentlemand on September 02, 2018, 11:07:54 AM

I can well believe that, even more so in a market as silly and flaky as crypto.

I still find it amazing how willing people are to run straight into margin trading and thinking it's gonna be great.

All you need to do is read stuff like this - https://bitcoinist.com/bitmex-moving-in-to-the-worlds-most-expensive-offices/ to know who the ultimate winner is in all of this.

And the clincher is that hardly anyone is willing to admit to their idiocy so it's vastly more prevalent than is ever publicised.

Unfortunately I already have my own negative experience of trading futures so I know how it works as well as I know that any margin trading is a fast way to lose money especially if a person does not respect the money anagement and does not have well enough experience in marginal trading.
I do not assert that any marginal trading is an evil but a trader must understand that it is incredible dangerous.

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Quote from: adaseb on August 30, 2018, 02:03:48 PM

It depends when they made their deposit. If they deposited at the beginning of 2017 and withdrew at the end of the year they would of made very good gains, would of been pretty hard to lose money.

If they depositted at the beginning of 2018, then even "The Wolf of WallStreet" would find it hard to make money.

However many people made good money in 2017, and then they discovered Bitmex and 100x leverage and they probably lost of their gains by shorting BTC at $10K thinking it was the top and they all ended up getting Rekt on the way to 20K.

Wow, 100x leverage! As far as I know such leverages are available just on "Forex kitchens". Actually when using 100x leverage just -1% changing in a particular asset nullifies a deposit. It need to be a crazy person to use such a huge leverage. I consider that it is possible to use 2x-3x leverage and sometimes up to 10x but no more.

You mentioned a bullish phase of the market which was till 2018 but pay attention that a trader will exactly lost money in case of using a huge leverage because there are no asset which grows just in one direction I mean that any small correction will nullify a deposit if a trader uses huge levegrage.

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Quote from: shield132 on August 30, 2018, 12:35:57 PM

Change middle 90 with 60 and you'll know new rule of ideal body parameters (for women of course).
Yeah, that rule works and as one user posted, it's usually 90/100/90 but I would say 100% lose can be in less than 90 day because of silly actions or lack of patience.
Also remember this rule: If I am rich, it's because you are poor.

Yeah, you are right about "If I am rich, it's because you are poor". I always think about it when I see a man in a luxury car like Rolls Royce, Lamborghini, Ferrari or even Mercedes Maybach and it makes me upset. Unfortunately life is not fair.
What about digits, it is my fantasy I just read them in open sources you can also type in Google something like "90/90/90 rule".

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I can well believe that, even more so in a market as silly and flaky as crypto.

I still find it amazing how willing people are to run straight into margin trading and thinking it's gonna be great.

All you need to do is read stuff like this - https://bitcoinist.com/bitmex-moving-in-to-the-worlds-most-expensive-offices/ to know who the ultimate winner is in all of this.

And the clincher is that hardly anyone is willing to admit to their idiocy so it's vastly more prevalent than is ever publicised.

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Quote from: pobeditelvezde on August 28, 2018, 05:11:04 PM

Not so long ago I got known that there is the rule 90/90/90 which means that 90% retail traders lose 90% of their deposited margin $ within 90 days. I am wondering to get to know your opinions, experience and observations to figure out whether the rule works or do not work.
What about my opinion, I guess it is really true because every retail trader, whom I knew, lost money on margin trading with various assets (Forex, futures, CFDs).

Margin trading is the highest level. When you bought and withdrew, you control the exchange. But if you have margin trading, you are playing against the central core of the exchange, which knows your position to the last cent. For this reason, most remain without anything at the first error.

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Quote from: BestSSS on August 30, 2018, 02:27:39 PM

Quote from: pobeditelvezde on August 28, 2018, 05:11:04 PM

Not so long ago I got known that there is the rule 90/90/90 which means that 90% retail traders lose 90% of their deposited margin $ within 90 days. I am wondering to get to know your opinions, experience and observations to figure out whether the rule works or do not work.
What about my opinion, I guess it is really true because every retail trader, whom I knew, lost money on margin trading with various assets (Forex, futures, CFDs).

Interesting theory, and apparently it really is confirmed. Greed and margin trading to good usually do not bring and I think you can lose your money much faster than 90 days and all 100%.

I wish it is something that can be verified or probably it is just an assumption based on how the market is and how so many people just want to trade without even having the knowledge to do so. I would not be surprised like some people said if 90% of retail traders are losing even as much as 100% of their funds within 90 days.

I have seen wannabe retail traders who always end up fumbling things pretty bad and blaming the market for their 100x leverage rather than blaming themselves. Margin trading is not even a way to go for anyone who really wants to get the best from trading and I wonder why a lot of people still thread this path.

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Quote from: pobeditelvezde on August 28, 2018, 05:11:04 PM

Not so long ago I got known that there is the rule 90/90/90 which means that 90% retail traders lose 90% of their deposited margin $ within 90 days. I am wondering to get to know your opinions, experience and observations to figure out whether the rule works or do not work.
What about my opinion, I guess it is really true because every retail trader, whom I knew, lost money on margin trading with various assets (Forex, futures, CFDs).

Interesting theory, and apparently it really is confirmed. Greed and margin trading to good usually do not bring and I think you can lose your money much faster than 90 days and all 100%.

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It depends when they made their deposit. If they deposited at the beginning of 2017 and withdrew at the end of the year they would of made very good gains, would of been pretty hard to lose money.

If they depositted at the beginning of 2018, then even "The Wolf of WallStreet" would find it hard to make money.

However many people made good money in 2017, and then they discovered Bitmex and 100x leverage and they probably lost of their gains by shorting BTC at $10K thinking it was the top and they all ended up getting Rekt on the way to 20K.

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The problem is these statistics aren't always viable, the reason being is large quantities of traders get in over their head and do not know what they are doing or proper risk management, just because most people lose does not mean you will, or that its not worth pursuing... just be cautious, learn to be unemotional by paper trading, and learn to stop-loss for risk management purposes. 99.9999% of sports athletes don't go professional, but that has no individual bearing on whether you will or won't... if you want to be a successful trader its going to take time, patience, and dedication. Anything worth doing is worth doing bad at first... just make sure the "bad" is with paper trading.

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Change middle 90 with 60 and you'll know new rule of ideal body parameters (for women of course).
Yeah, that rule works and as one user posted, it's usually 90/100/90 but I would say 100% lose can be in less than 90 day because of silly actions or lack of patience.
Also remember this rule: If I am rich, it's because you are poor.

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Quote from: Tudors on August 28, 2018, 06:01:01 PM

Yes. It is definitely a true statement "90/90/90". Actually, 90/100/90 because what I see it's usually a 100% deposit lost.

Typically the "margin requirement" for indices, equities, commodities, ETFs is about 10% it it can be said that positions are "10 times leveraged" as well as risk is increased in 10 times. I am pretty sure that retail traders should not use such a big leverage but on the contrary retail traders often like using a maximal available leverage. I did the same earlier so I know what I am talking about. By the way if we take the other side of 90% of those that lose, we have a 90% win ratio, thus making a lot of money.

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Quote from: pobeditelvezde on August 28, 2018, 05:11:04 PM

Not so long ago I got known that there is the rule 90/90/90 which means that 90% retail traders lose 90% of their deposited margin $ within 90 days. I am wondering to get to know your opinions, experience and observations to figure out whether the rule works or do not work.
What about my opinion, I guess it is really true because every retail trader, whom I knew, lost money on margin trading with various assets (Forex, futures, CFDs).

Yes. It is definitely a true statement "90/90/90". Actually, 90/100/90 because what I see it's usually a 100% deposit lost.

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Not so long ago I got known that there is the rule 90/90/90 which means that 90% retail traders lose 90% of their deposited margin $ within 90 days. I am wondering to get to know your opinions, experience and observations to figure out whether the rule works or do not work.
What about my opinion, I guess it is really true because every retail trader, whom I knew, lost money on margin trading with various assets (Forex, futures, CFDs).

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