Topic: 90 year old man gets arrested for feeding the homeless for the third time (Read 4240 times)

We are only equal before the law, which is a legal fiction designed to encourage the conceit that 'justice is blind.'

Otherwise, I am not equal to Satoshi.  You are not equal to Isaac Newton.  Charles Manson is no Mother Teresa. 

This has nothing to do with "greed" and your other mush-brained trippy hippy BS, and everything to do with objective measures of an individual's contribution to mankind.

Don't even try to drop the New Age Hustle on me, because I can school you sixty ways to Sunday on the illusion of separateness, holograms, and the implications of consciousness for quantum cosmology.  While you were smoking pot under the bleachers as a young adult, I was learning about Taoism, physics, fractals, and Omega Point (when I was done researching for debate and studying for class/math team/academic decathlon). 

That's why you live in a shed and I don't (another way in which we are NOT EQUAL).   

Neither of us is "just a particle amongst a sea of infinite particles."  We are alive (life is a conditional process) and experience consciousness (which requires an identity).  Those two properties are extremely rare in the universe.  You are a waste of those precious gifts, because you a gullible self-deceiving chump and a little punk who seeks to destroy important distinctions in order to mask/excuse his own worthlessness with warm fuzzy platitudes.

Ivory, rhino horns, bear gall bladders, and pangolin meat are no longer desirable in the so-called "west."  We've moved beyond those superstitious fetishes, unlike the nouveau riche of the so-called "east" who still vaccuum the world's forest to satisfy their desire for such nasty things despite the cost to our global commons.

Take your self-loathing sophomoric solipsism and insert it into your nihilist netherhole.  And stop doing so many drugs; your brain is rotting!   

go to youtube... enter rammstein we all living in amerika

The solution would be to give the homeless/poor to improve their situations and to create an economic environment where people can support themselves if they want to instead of allowing them to use charity as a crutch to provide their essential needs

Yes, we are all equal.  Meat vehicle + consciousness is all we are, no matter how you try to judge them.

It isn't the west vacuuming forests of the world?  No, it's the people in other countries that we buy off in order to attain cheap materials to fulfill the western world's consumptuous addiction.

The western world (aka greed based society) is the exact reason copious amounts of wildlife are killed.  To fill the wallets of those that are forced into a western monetary system and to fill the living rooms of the westerners that would pay thousands of dollars for an elephant's ivory.

If you can't see that you're just a particle amongst a sea of infinite particles, there's not much of a point in discussing.  Your ego won't allow you to perceive any information that deflates it's delusion.

Ah Amurikah, where you can have a permit to be free

I agree. Like I said earlier, there's a huge skid row area near me, and homeless cAmps, tent cities, a "open air market" which is basically a bunch of junkies selling stolen goods. I know people who go "shopping" there after they get robbed ffs. The city sanctions it! They built them awnings so they don't get wet in the rain.
Making things easier for bad actors is all that happens.

There's so many poverty advocates (privileged do-gooders looking to attack anyone who resembles mom and dad, that the real issues get lost in the arguments and mudslinging.

My approach would be to go after the dealers. There would still be troubles, but man o man, come to Vancouver canada and check out skid row. It's like that part of the wire where they make a drug area where everybody can just go wild... It's worse

On another note; there is a park near me, surrounded by private homes. Homeless set up camp there. Cops do nothing. Homeowners all put sprinklers, on thier own property, pointing at derelicts. Voilà no more homeless camp

I admire the moxy of that old guy, even while I disagree with his actions.

I'm angry about the shameless degree of dishonesty displayed by those who equate local cops enforcing health/safety codes with war criminals and violate Godwin's Law, those who equate freedom with one set of rules which must be obeyed by all communities, and those who equate seeking to protect health/safety/property with "hate" of the homeless.

The Free Shit Army always steals the moral high ground and pathologizes/psychologizes disagreement, unless rational people speak out.

yeah man, but I dont see how getting all angry over the issue helps. I stated quite clearly the whole mess makes me angry. I make an effort to keep myself in check, AND argue with those who would take a harder stance, but I'm not saying you're a big meanie and a hater, Im saying I feel ya dawg, I just dont entirely agree.

Proper venue and safe food yaddayaddayadda, I'm assuming hes reaching out to the homeless who are alienated from these services, and hes coming from a good place. there no simple solution, short of genocide...or is it class-ocide? Kill the poor! they smell bad anyway. That is my initial gut reaction, but I am morally obliged to see that I have a huge advantage over these wrecked humans and I am better than them, if you will. Therefore I should show some compassion, I still dont like them freeloading all over nice communities, I agree it is criminally disrespectful. It just aint as simple as telling them all to go somewhere else. they will just go to the next community.

TL;DR this entire issue is a lot bigger than a little old man feeding a few wasted losers.

Expecting the poor to be fed at proper venues (churches, food banks, soup kitchens, shelters) is not an expression of "hate."

We know you have a weak argument in favor of feeding them without a permit in a local park, so you must resort to the dishonest tactic of stealing the moral high ground.

Let's turn it around...

YOU must hate the poor because you want them to be fed potentially dangerous food in random locations which lack appropriate plumbing, counseling, and rehabilitation services.

See how easy that was?  See how stupid that was?   

It's not right to hate the poor. Try to remember what it is you are angry about. It is poverty itself. The poor are victems...yes, victems. Victems of maybe thier own bad decisions sometimes, but not exclusively.

I recently heard, at a support group for families of persons suffering head injuries (my brother in law got hit by a car and is now fucked) that 90% of the homeless are living with organic brain damage. That really opened my eyes, because I can tell you, my brother-in-law used to be a bright responsable intelligent guy and a good father/husband and an excellent provider. He isnt anymore BUT he still thinks he is...he just cant see what he's like and thinks everything is fine, so everyone has to run around playing clean-up around him, making sure he doesnt get in the car and start driving (he thinks hes the best driver...went a block before driving through the front of some poor guy's house last time he found the keys...he smokes anywhere he pleases, which as a smoker I find a little amusing, but honestly, he lit up in church at his daughter's wedding. My point is, the guy is incapable of taking care of himself or doing the correct thing. He is fortunate he has a support group around him to watch over and help, but not everyone is so lucky.

I have the same feelings when I see homeless camps in the city, buggering up nice family parks and shitting in the bushes, but being compassionate is never easy. It means remembering kindness even when your gut tells you to rage.

I dunno though. Its hard. I dont think its going to get any better anytime soon either. I live near Vancouver BC Canada and often walk right through thier "world famous skid row" which is essentially a open drug market run by gangs. Its depressing, and making life comfortable for the junkies is maybe not the most important thing to do there. They need 1) an exit strategy and 2) for the police to actually crack down on the dealers. somehow all the resources go to keeping all the streeters at basic maintenance, "harm reduction" and plenty college educated lefties bashing anyone who actually has any personal worth and would like to see the problem dealt with effectively, NOT just allowed to carry on at a dull roar.

In 1994 it was 50% of the world had access to a telephone.
In 2014 it is 75% (but a smaller percentage if we limit it to those with data plans).

We aren't yet at "nearly everyone", but we are at "most people".

I'm being realistic, not "ignorant."  In the real world homeless people shit all over the cities all the time.  And most stores can't let randoms use their restrooms, because of the potential mess and liability.

We are only "all equal" in the eyes of the law.  Otherwise, not so much.  Isaac Newton equal to Beyonce?  Einstein equal to Kim Kardashian?  That's the kind of nonsense that makes people laugh at egalitarian half-wits like yourself.  Sorry you can't cope with actual diversity and must retreat into a childish a priori belief in homogeneity which is not supported by the facts at hand.

As for who is destroying nature, while many in "western society" are wasteful, it was in the west that we first created a middle class with excess income sufficient to afford the luxury of the environmentalism and activism.  And it isn't the west that is vacuuming the worlds forest clean of wildlife, like the poor pangolins, rhinos, and bears.  So fuck right off with such weak, hypocritical cultural critiques.

Your self-loathing is not anyone's problem but your own.   

Excellently put. All of it.

I'm just waiting for some idiot to come in and ask you how you have an internet connection while you're homeless, despite it being well established that nearly everyone today has access to a phone with a data plan

Don't be so ignorant.  There are enough houses for every homeless person to have their own shelter.  And what homeless people shit all over cities?  I'm homeless and I know how to walk into a store and use a toilet.

People caring more about property values and greed is exactly what makes people homeless.  Some homeless people are the most real people you meet.  At least they're not destroying huge amounts of nature like most people in western society.

Sorry to burst your ego but you are no more significant than a homeless person nor a housefly.  We are all equal.

Being able to form a community with like-minded individuals is what makes it a free country.

If the Anarchist Police made everyone in all towns follow their anything-goes BS, it would not be.

You are free to get a permit, change the permit process, or move to a locale more in tune with your opinions.

I agree. He's doing it wrong. He didn't get his permit

It's a free country as long as you have all the right permits

Im on the fence with this. I totally support this man, but i think hes going about it the wrong way. Maybe he should find out what  he needs to do to be compliant. get a portapoty, and whatever else, im sure businesses would contribute.. Getting arrested all these times is only going to cost  him time and money, but since hes so old, he probably doesn't care, lol...

Some acts especially ones that have been around 20 damn years deserve a grandfather clause
It is still one of the weirdest places to set laws though
Strange laws in the USA

Nobody advocated starving the homeless; it's a matter of the appropriate time and place.

Churches, shelters, food banks, and soup kitchens are proper venues as they have the necessary facilities and permits for such activity.

A public park is not the right place.

We can tell your argument sucks because you have to resort to creating an 'OMG Y U WANT TO STARVE THE HOMELESS?' strawman to artificially support it.   

If he had a license and a permit and did precisely the same thing, there would be no need for a lawsuit.
That the city didn't grandfather his activities from when before these requirements were established is bad lawmaking.
Two wrongs make news.
The city should be more embarrassed than it is already.

Florida law is possibly the weirdest in the US.