Topic: 9/11 terror attacks (Read 564 times)

Sorry, but this is not an argument at all and is no more than an appeal to authority fallacy. I am sorry your friends suffered but none of this substantiates your claims about the cause. Additionally don't you think your very personal involvement creates quite an emotional bias over the situation? The laws of physics didn't simply cease to exist that day. We can argue endlessly about who was behind it, but it is factually observable using physics that it didn't happen as reported.

Dude I think you forgot the 1/2 in the formula or KE . Anyway I really don't think it could cut because plane's wings are hollow, it's not too rigid to break thick metal beams of a building. Okay let's assume it happened because of the heat from the explosion, do you really think the metals would be destroyed first before the wing itself which is composed of weaker and ligther materials?

Whether the kinetic energy of the main spar of an aircraft wing hitting steel I beam at a given speed is a matter of the basic equation e= m*v^2, which means at impact there is a certain amount of heat. It certainly is plausible that the beams would be cut.

As someone who lives in NY and personally watched the towers burn for days, i find it hard to believe the conspiracy theories.    The suffering and death was clearly an act of complete hatred meant to kill and maim as many as possible.   I knew 5 people who died that day.   One just died a year ago due to exposure to the toxic dust.

Yeah. They loaded the gold in the basement on trucks. Once the trucks were safely gone, they destroyed the buildings with the hope that the credit card info related to the gold would be destroyed, as well.

It was for sure a CIA operation in order to kill a group of people that would there at that buildings that day.
And it was a great chance to make it as a terrorist attack in order to sparkle the fire for a war in Afghanistan.

Whether the mastermind of this attack is Al-Qaeda or the Us gov. itself, one thing is for sure, a plane crash and fire explosion is not enough to make WTC suddenly collapsed in vertical manner in which seems like a free fall. So I believe there's something more than that. And aside from that, some says that there's no way for a passenger airplane to reach that kind of speed and even cut metal beams by its wings which strengthens my belief.

^^^ Of course the US government wasn't involved in 9/11. But, what is the US government? Lots of people who hold positions and offices in the US government were involved in their private capacities, often using government equipment illegally. This doesn't make the US to be involved.

Surely there were many pre-alarms ignored by the authorities, mistakes from their side that cost a lot but I don't think there are any other involvement of the US as claimed by some of the conspirator. There were many other ways to create an enemy and many other ways to boost the arms industry without killing their own citizen. I don't see US benefiting much from the incident.

There are so many videos and articles coming up telling people it's a conspiracy and they have a documents for that, I strongly believe it's a terror, the evidence is stronger that's a terror than on evidence that points out that it's a conspiracy.
If it's a conspiracy and proven there should be a lot of heads rolling and besides Osama already admit and we should live it to that.

"A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7"

"The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building."

http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

No real safety features? Bull. There are all kinds of safety features everywhere on aircraft and in their design. What you are not considering is the viewpoint of an enemy, who searches for a weak point and then exploits it. At any moment, any year, such a person exists and is your enemy and is searching for weak points.

I am not really in the mood to go into what will inevitably be a long drawn out and fruitless debate about information that has been available to the public for many years. The information is available if you can cast aside your confirmation bias and spend some time wading thru some peripheral bullshit. However just to get you started a few things...

- Free fall collapse speeds
- 4 ton girders ejected hundreds of feet laterally in every direction (see FEMA debris field report)
- Temperatures in excess of those achievable via jet fuel documented by infrared satellite
- Pulverization of the majority of the rubble to dust
- Fires including molten metal burning for over a month
- Aluminum/titanium planes punching through external steel girders and out the other side like a cartoon
 - Extremely short time periods for fire to cause "collapse" even in WTC 7 not hit by a plane
- All of the buildings falling directly downward through the path of most resistance into their own footprints
- Report claiming jet fuel was burned multiple times in the impact fireball, flooding down the elevator and exploding in the lobby, then melting the steel framework
- No steel framed high rise structure has EVER or since collapsed due to fire no matter how long it has burned, but it supposedly happened 3 times that day

There is so much more. I like to stick to physics because this is empirical data any individual can confirm for themselves while leaving minimal subjectivity. Please just spend some time reading about it, I likely will not engage in further discussion of it as I have already spent nearly 20 years explaining this to people and it gets old spoon feeding people who really don't want to hear it anyway.

Just so I know, and can potentially agree/refute what you're going to say next. What laws of physics were broken that day?


Obviously if you are to look at all of this now, it's BEYOND EASY to see why they shouldn't have been funding rebel groups in the middle east. But at the time, it looked like the most sensible option to stop the USSR. I don't see how someone can still attempt to use today's lens and information to attack a decision that was made when only a certain amount of information was available.

At absolute best, 9/11 was an inside job from the standpoint that elements inside the US Government and military knowingly and willingly ALLOWED it to happen.

Dude, not a third option?

I want to choose stupidity if there is.

Don't forget that it was the USA&China who helped those jihadists in Afghanistan in 1980s to fight USSR.
They just thought their enemy's enemy must be their friends at that time. How stupid it was.
And some of those jihadists formed the predecessor of Al-Qaeda which launched the 9/11 attacks later.

Besides, China didn't play better than USA either in this case. Its Xinjiang province next to Afghanistan has been under severe infiltration of radical islamists since 1980s. Now they have to use extreme or you could say inhuman methods such as re-education camps to brainwash the muslims (a ccp version brainwash vs islamic brainwash competiton) to correct their own mistakes.

What else? Here's what else.

The so-called terrorists that supposedly took over the planes >>> flunked flight school. Even if they could fly those planes a little, they couldn't have executed the complex turns that were necessary to target their objectives.

At best, the planes were controlled like drones. At worst, they never hit, and those pictures we see were gigantic holographs. The buildings were brought down by demolition, same as Building 7.

A lot. I was an adult when it happened and witnessed the events unfold that day (on the news) as it happened. Even then there was no excuse for this to be possible. There is so much that is wrong with the official story, but the part no one can argue with is the laws of physics. Unfortunately according to the official story the laws of physics were broken multiple times that day.

Now it seems like something that would never happen.

When it happened though, there had been no real safety features on a plane. The doors to the cockpit weren't locked, barely any screening at airports, no air marshals, no large scale intelligence at airports to be looking for this sort of behavior.

If we look at it from a lens of today, one that is pretty much relying on all of the intelligence we have today and the security features it's going to be hard for you to see it happening.

But it did happen, its' not a conspiracy theory. Two planes hit the WTC. One hit the pentagon, and another was going for the White House and it was taken over by the people on board.

What else is there to know about it?

There are a lot of conspiracy info about 9/11. Steel beams didn't melt and was clearly cut, WTC 7 just collapsed on its own, the "plane" that hit Pentagon burned to nothing (of course only the passports of the terrorists remained) and many many other things...

To me it was clearly an inside job to start war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ETFprVKi2g

You can find more info in this video.