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Topic: 99Losers.com | 90x Payouts | Provably Fair | Come Check Us Out! (Read 1774 times)

newbie
Activity: 13
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Bullshit!

There are guys on dicesites who are in profit.

Right..  Either way we provide a service people are welcome to use or not.  Want to play the same ol dice *yawn* games, keep at it.

Still giving away free entries!  Good luck Smiley
hero member
Activity: 813
Merit: 507
every dicegame is better than this...
The Dice games are better probabilities, but for one lucky person they come ahead with this game.

If I am lucky I can get a 9900x payout on primedice...who would be ahead in that case  Tongue

dice games, like all casino games the house always wins eventually.  At 99losers, players always leave ahead of the house.  We just facilitate the transfer of wealth among the players.

Primedice:
9900x payout 0.01% chance

Only person winning there is the house, not the players.  99losers promotes players spreading the coin among each other, not to one house.

Bullshit!

There are guys on dicesites who are in profit.

And in the long term you take the same position as the house on dice sites, because some guys win but most will lose but you will always win.
newbie
Activity: 13
Merit: 0
every dicegame is better than this...
The Dice games are better probabilities, but for one lucky person they come ahead with this game.

If I am lucky I can get a 9900x payout on primedice...who would be ahead in that case  Tongue

dice games, like all casino games the house always wins eventually.  At 99losers, players always leave ahead of the house.  We just facilitate the transfer of wealth among the players.

Primedice:
9900x payout 0.01% chance

Only person winning there is the house, not the players.  99losers promotes players spreading the coin among each other, not to one house.
hero member
Activity: 813
Merit: 507
every dicegame is better than this...
The Dice games are better probabilities, but for one lucky person they come ahead with this game.

If I am lucky I can get a 9900x payout on primedice...who would be ahead in that case  Tongue
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
Get ready for PrimeDice Sig Campaign!
every dicegame is better than this...
The Dice games are better probabilities, but for one lucky person they come ahead with this game.
hero member
Activity: 813
Merit: 507
every dicegame is better than this...
newbie
Activity: 13
Merit: 0
!!** 20 FREE ENTRIES **!! First 20 people to submit an entry and post the transaction id of that entry will get their entry fee refunded! !!** 20 FREE ENTRIES **!!
sr. member
Activity: 293
Merit: 250

Fair enough.  How about we take the transaction id of the final payment and use that to pad the initial hash instead?  This could not be known by anyone until it was too late, negating the ability of the last person to generate a winning address.

Does the dude abide?

Using raw transactions you can know the transaction hash before sending it to the network

In this situation I would alter my program to now generate raw transactions until I find one that the transaction hash would make my address the winner address.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
So 100 people enter a game with same amount let's say 0.001 each so 100 x 0.001 = 0.1 and winner gets all??

If the payout is 90x, then 100 people entering at 0.001 each means 100 x 0.001 = 0.1 is collected for the game, but the winner only gets 90 x 0.001 = 0.09.

The worst part of the game is my chance to win this game is 0.01 %  Cry

If 1 out of 100 people win, then your chance to win is 0.01 or 1%.  0.01% means 0.0001.

To the owner: this is an interesting idea, but are you going to keep many players?  I would guess that a lot of people will play a few times and then get frustrated because they don't win anything.
hero member
Activity: 672
Merit: 502
90x payout? there is an amazing thing i ever see Tongue

we feel the same way <3

So 100 people enter a game with same amount let's say 0.001 each so 100 x 0.001 = 0.1 and winner gets all??

Close! You get a B- in class today Smiley


B in this forum means Bitcoin, and you just said I got a B now you owe me a Bitcoin.  You can pay in installments if you like.

My BTCtc address is in my profile. Thx
newbie
Activity: 13
Merit: 0

Maybe Smiley  But I have addressed the issue with your concern and posted a fix.  Timestamp is now used to pad the initial hash so you would have to know the exact second the site scripts picked up the final transaction and corresponding address for that second.

I thank you kindly for your help!

But now your algo is not provably fair as no one can verify the timestamp informed by you.

Fair enough.  How about we take the transaction id of the final payment and use that to pad the initial hash instead?  This could not be known by anyone until it was too late, negating the ability of the last person to generate a winning address.

Does the dude abide?
newbie
Activity: 13
Merit: 0
25% house edge? Thats insane, set it to at least under 5%, but good website idea.

10% now.  We changed after initial feedback.  We plan to invest a portion of that as well into giveaways and promotions to further boost the eco-system

Thanks!
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
Get ready for PrimeDice Sig Campaign!
25% house edge? Thats insane, set it to at least under 5%, but good website idea.
sr. member
Activity: 293
Merit: 250

Maybe Smiley  But I have addressed the issue with your concern and posted a fix.  Timestamp is now used to pad the initial hash so you would have to know the exact second the site scripts picked up the final transaction and corresponding address for that second.

I thank you kindly for your help!

But now your algo is not provably fair as no one can verify the timestamp informed by you.
legendary
Activity: 2030
Merit: 1028
will wait for the spot that close enough reaching 100
then i will try depo some BTC

The worst part of the game is my chance to win this game is 0.01 %  Cry
newbie
Activity: 13
Merit: 0
Ok, I'm starting to think you really should spend some time to learn more about Bitcoin.

An address can be generated without the need to send coins to it.

What I will need to do is find the address that will make me the winner and create 2 raw transactions, one sending my coins to the newly generated address and another to send from the newly generated address to you game address.

Maybe Smiley  But I have addressed the issue with your concern and posted a fix.  Timestamp is now used to pad the initial hash so you would have to know the exact second the site scripts picked up the final transaction and corresponding address for that second.

I thank you kindly for your help!
sr. member
Activity: 293
Merit: 250
Your provably fair algo is flawed as it doesn't protect the users from being cheated by the last player.

I can create a program to monitor the game address until it has 99 players and then start generating addresses until I find one that will make me the winner.

You are partly right, after some thought.  You are wrong in the fact you cannot generate an address to send from.  Your client, or you, have to spend previous outputs, these cannot be generated by you unless you continually send yourself coins in attempt to generate an output that could win.  This output would have to contain enough coin for the game or it might not be selected as the payment address if multiple previous outputs are used.

So technically yes, this could be achieved through lots of work and many (possibly 100's) of txn fees to the network.

I have come up with a method to account for this and will post an update when the code is in place.

Thanks for taking the time to look at this!

Ok, I'm starting to think you really should spend some time to learn more about Bitcoin.

An address can be generated without the need to send coins to it.

What I will need to do is find the address that will make me the winner and create 2 raw transactions, one sending my coins to the newly generated address and another to send from the newly generated address to you game address.
newbie
Activity: 13
Merit: 0
Your provably fair algo is flawed as it doesn't protect the users from being cheated by the last player.

I can create a program to monitor the game address until it has 99 players and then start generating addresses until I find one that will make me the winner.

You are partly right, after some thought.  You are wrong in the fact you cannot generate an address to send from.  Your client, or you, have to spend previous outputs, these cannot be generated by you unless you continually send yourself coins in attempt to generate an output that could win.  This output would have to contain enough coin for the game or it might not be selected as the payment address if multiple previous outputs are used.

So technically yes, this could be achieved through lots of work and many (possibly 100's) of txn fees to the network.

I have come up with a method to account for this and will post an update when the code is in place.

Thanks for taking the time to look at this!
sr. member
Activity: 293
Merit: 250
Your provably fair algo is flawed as it doesn't protect the users from being cheated by the last player.

I can create a program to monitor the game address until it has 99 players and then start generating addresses until I find one that will make me the winner.
newbie
Activity: 13
Merit: 0
90x payout? there is an amazing thing i ever see Tongue

we feel the same way <3

So 100 people enter a game with same amount let's say 0.001 each so 100 x 0.001 = 0.1 and winner gets all??

Close! You get a B- in class today Smiley
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