Topic: A better BTC buy-sell strategy (Read 948 times)

Bitcoin holding depends on how long the holder will keep the Bitcoin. There are many investors who hold Bitcoin for a short period of time, and those who hold in the DCA method rely on accumulating Bitcoin for the next few years. Following either method of DCA method and buying Bitcoin deep, accumulating Bitcoin until the future bear market will certainly be enough for a common investor.
However, I think the DCA method is the most acceptable, in this method any person can play a sufficient role in investing in Bitcoin at any time. And until the next bear market, his accumulated Bitcoin will take a large size.

This is a nice strategy but do you think every crypto holders would be ready to follow this strategy that looks like it is very easy to follow? Why would you hold Bitcoin for two circle without selling and buying the dip? Maybe you don't actually understand what holding actually means. Although it all depends on how much you are holding as na investor. If you are holding less than 1 BTC, you can actually sell part of the holdings and to buy again when price falls. In a Bitcoin bill market, we could see price ranging for couples of weeks or months because the bull will continue. In this kind of ranging market, don't you think it well be an opportunity to be buying and selling before the price keeps skyrocketing?

In my case, since I own little bitcoin, I always preferred to hold instead of trying to guess the right time to sell and then, eventually, buy again. I may try to do things in a different way since bitcoin has grown a lot during the last months so probably I'll start selling 10% at a certain price, then another 10% at a higher price and so on until when I eventually sold half of what I own. The rest I'm going to hold it anyway, no matter the price.

That is like one of the most intresting ways to explore bitcoin when you decide to buy and hold, holding for a short time might not really favor anyone so it is better to hold to buy and hold for a long time and that way you will have confidence in your investment because that is even what matters and the problem people usually face is having the patience to hold for a long time and those that have been holding when bitcoin was experiencing bear and now things are much better and anyone can actually better there expection by having high hopes because there is no way that you will invest in bitcoin and be disappointed.

And this are part of the reasons why we even have to hold bitcoin specifically, I am not really a fan of investing in Altcoins because the driving force of them all is still bitcoin so why not just invest in bitcoin and make profit but just because of the profit others want to make they will prefer to invest in altcoin and it is not all that work so they should continue with what they feel works for them.

And it is not somthing you force on anyone because if it eventually fails they will put the blame on you so let them make there on decision on what they want to invest in and they will bear with consequences of there decisions.

Experienced bitcoin investors know when to buy and when to get out. So don't be surprised if you find seasonal investors who take advantage of the rising cycle to get returns without having to hold on too long for years. They may have missed the opportunity to buy at the lowest price between the two cycles, but they ended up making a profit.

To get a return of 2x or more from a bitcoin investment, an investor must start investing 12 or 15 months before the halving. I think it is the right time to invest because I think the lowest prices are at that time. This is just an analysis based on historical market data, not something that can be considered financial advice despite the fact that it is really useful in my opinion.

Sometimes what seems simple when done will feel much more difficult than imagined. In a rough view it is true that being in bitcoin is only when buying at a low price and selling it at a higher price but such a view is only for those who have never felt how to be in bitcoin and experienced several complicated cycles as a process when we become an investor considering that when you feel you are in bitcoin I'm pretty sure everyone has felt indecision and even wants to give up in the middle of the road in the investment process that is done.

The fact that this is not as simple as thought is proof that we still have a lot to learn in order to continue to convince ourselves to stay in bitcoin. Regardless of what method is done and how long we are in bitcoin in the end it all depends on confidence, readiness and how strong our hands are in hodl for bitcoin itself.

Yeah! Timing the crypto market is tricky business, thats for sure.  Calling the top of a bull run or bottom of a bear market - good luck with that!  I mean, easier said than done, right?

Sell high and buy low sounds simple in theory.  But actually pulling the trigger at the right moments takes some skill and luck.  Our emotions often mess things up too.  When coins are pumping FOMO kicks in and we get greedy.  Then when it crashes, fear sets in and we panic sell.  Making level-headed decisions is tough when feelings are running high.

Ive learned the hard way that perfectly timing this volatile market is next to impossible.  These days, I just try to stick to my plan without getting caught up in the hype.  Some broad rules of thumb help, like taking profits when things get euphoric and buying dips after major sell-offs.  But even then who really knows when weve hit the top or bottom?

Most definitely this is the best approach because on two occasions I have made the mistake of falling to sell within a cycle, the first was when the all-time high price of 94k-95k bitcoin price happened some time ago when the bitcoin halving cycles and the ETFs news were making around some time march-Aprile 2020, I hold the bitcoin Instead od selling them and wait to buy back at the bottom., anyways, that has become my lesson and going forward I won't let such mistakes repeat itself.

Selling at the top, multiple times within a cycle if done correctly can give you such speed in your Bitcoin accumulation, but one needs to be careful also in doing that to avoid falling into the trap of selling at the wrong time or buying at the wrong time.

I think where one can make the most money in this and frankly the preferable if you know how is:

Buying and holding for a circle and having to sell when it’s at ATH and buy back during the bearish market.

That would be an idea strategy but, if it’s an easy thing to do, nope. I don’t think so as, it ain’t easy to note just that point where it’s an ATH for a bullish season while it’s in play, which would have been the notifier to sell and when the market is at its dip to buy back. These only means, your likely going to procrastinate and eventually, turn out holding which is still very good.

The only way for us to keep holding is if we keep it away from us. Don’t store it in exchanges and make sure that you have a stable source of income as well as savings enough for emergencies so that you don’t move your holdings no matter what. But again only a financially stable person can do this and not everyone can be no matter how much they work for it.

This can depend on the side of one's ability to buy because usually people who have money will buy and hold it until ATH arrives, while people who have smaller capital they can choose point number three to increase the amount of bitcoin they have. But if the question is given to me then I will choose to buy and hold it so that when the price hits ATH I will sell some percentage to get profit and then wait for a drop to buy in a much larger amount from the profit obtained.

The pattern can be different and maybe everyone has a much more understandable concept to run. But the most important thing is how the process can be carried out consistently to increase the amount of bitcoin ownership that we have.

This is the most important thing, if we look at the entire history of bitcoin, those who sold at $10k lost because it then rose to over $19k, those who sold at $40k then lost because its ATH reached $73k and those who sold at $70-$75k lost because btc exceeded $100k, what does this give as an example? We must have a broad vision above all, we need to see that this has the best of futures, it doesn't matter to wait 5-10 years to see the good results and benefits of this investment in bitcoin, is it worth it? Absolutely.

If you want to enjoy your Bitcoin it is good for you to purchase a Bitcoin and hold for long time because holding a Bitcoin you will be at advantages side of it so I believe that it is what will make you to make a profit is by holding a bitcoin for long time using people who hold Bitcoin from 2015 till date as a reference, you will see that the profit they have made from the time they hold bitcoin till date, is something different from short term holders

8 years is so big that a lot will happen, like in 8 years if you plan, you can get married within that year and get 2 kids with good spacing Joke aside, there is much more that can happen to use within that period but if you really have your own money and source of income, you shouldn't have any problem about holding, most often what made us sell our coins are financial problems when we seems not to have any alternatives to solve those problems.

As for Bitcoin, 8 years means twice administration are going to happen in the US and that's means new government. Since US now has a lot of effect on Bitcoin market, there is going to be a lot of here and there in Bitcoin. Hopefully anti crypto person doesn't becomes a president so they don't destroy that dream of Bitcoin been a reserve in the united started that many has ways dream, Bitcoin growth in that country is a quick success growth on other places.

I have also seen many investors who have invested for a long time but have seen a good position in Bitcoin only after 2-3 years. I had a friend who had been investing in Bitcoin little by little since 2020 and was making a good profit. The investment trend can be thought of in several ways. If you are investing, you will see the profit of your investment within a few days, and there will be a time when you will not believe yourself when you see the price of Bitcoin, which is what many people are seeing now.

When investing in Bitcoin, it is actually best to invest for the long term. The most difficult thing is to continue to move forward with investment. Many can maintain it, and it can be seen that many cannot maintain it and stop it for a short time. This can't be done. If you want to invest long-term, you have to leave the investment stars inside.

Agreed, in fact, in the case of Bitcoin investment, we must decide to invest for at least 10 years or more, because by researching the history of Bitcoin, we will know that Bitcoin fluctuates more in the short term, but in the long term, Bitcoin continues to increase over time.
That is, Bitcoin is a volatile asset in the short term, so short-term investment is definitely much more risky, which is why, a long-term holding perspective should be taken in volatile assets like Bitcoin, which should be at least 10 years and more.
In fact, when an investor holding his Bitcoin investment for 10 years or more, only then he can expect an positive effective result.
Because the history of Bitcoin proves that holding through long-term DCA is the most effective method of achieving success from Bitcoin investment.

I understand your point, lots of people would love to hold for as long as possible but due to certain circumstances like future uncertain things like death, blindness, loss of memory and the rest that could happen to an individual, i think some people would prefer to go with the second option, however in case of situation as mentioned above, i think the adoption of a banking strategy (next of kin) could be implemented and the asset would be claimed by another trusted person. But the best approach i think about when it comes to investing on Bitcoin is buying and holding for a long as one can, so far it's beyond and full circle and gradually adding to your portfolio on different intervals. However all the strategies the OP mentioned are very reliable, depending on individuals cause and how patient one can be.

All the strategies you describe can be profitable, but again, everyone will be different in implementing strategies to achieve the desired target. Do not equate our capital strength with others, because other people who have a lot of capital will not worry if there is floating, so be wise if we want to enter the world of investment, cold money of course.

The important thing in bitcoin investment is to have a goal, and I myself am more comfortable buying bitcoin and then storing it in one circle or one cycle, when a bull run occurs, sell half of it and then save the other half for the next cycle. This also depends on my needs, because I am not someone who has a lot of money, sometimes when I have made a profit I sell. So the mechanism is to sell 50% when it goes up, buy back when it goes down, I also often do this repeatedly according to the purchase target.

I could set that range of holding until 8 years but I don't get to hold what might happen within those years until I reach 8 years. That's two cycle in there and I know that many can hold for that long but we don't know what's with the future. I mean for ourselves and not for Bitcoin. I can hold as long as I can but if there are some instances that I have no choice and forced to sell some of it, I'd do it because I admit that I did in the past that now I always get to remember those early days that I'm able to sell off too soon.

Good that you understand what you can achieve in the future to come.
Happy hodling to you. Today is the day when it all started, after all.
 

Investing in Bitcoin and holding it for the long term is most profitable, if you can hold Bitcoin for a long time then you can be a successful investor. Now everyone's plan is not the same. Some plan to hold for long term and some for short term. Some buy bitcoins in the bear market and sell them in bullrun. However in my case I prefer to hold the investment for long term. My plan is to gradually increase the investment amount by investing in Bitcoin using the DCA method. I started investing in DCA method from the beginning of 2023, I plan not to sell bitcoins in this bullrun. My plan is to gradually invest in DCA system till 2028-29.

Trading BTC is to no avail, in my opinion.
There are other coins to do it with - BTC is there to be a stable investment for the years to come.
Of course, some do it even with BTC, but I genuinely think they would get more by holding, especially for 10 years straight.

I wouldn't call holding bitcoin for 10 years is 'buy and sell strategy' more like hodling stratgey, while I do agree that holding bitcoin is better because it has more potential profit, we can also take advantages from the swings in Bitcoin's price, short-term trading can also work. Though holding requires one to have patience and faith during the market crises, on the contrary, trading may be more risky but rewarding in the short run. All in all, it depends upon our financial goals and the risk we are willing to take, as both short term and long term approaches has it's own pros and cons

Anything that is buying bitcoin and selling in 10 or more years is the best strategy, that is what big investors do, there are also those who want to invest and collect profits quickly, but since bitcoin is so volatile it is very difficult to determine when it will rise with great intensity to sell, those who are traders do it, but they have to do many operations, the investment is a matter of time, of having patience and of having a lot of mind in what you want no matter what happens along the way, they have to resist all the crises that arise and be faithful in the investment, in bitcoin it is safe.

Yes, while it can be the best option for us, it could be the least option for those who still didn't know the best entry and exit in the market.  So being knowledgeable should be the key. Otherwise, we might be missing gold opportunity to make huge profits because of being unaware and incapable.

The best way to make a profit in Bitcoin investment is to buy bitcoin and the hood for long time because if you buy Bitcoin and they sell Bitcoin in space of 3 months you will not make a profit but the process we have by you purchase Bitcoin and hold it 4 years to 8 years you will make a profit because during the time you are holding your Bitcoin they must be increase in the market that will make you to have a triple of the Bitcoin you purchase, so for me I preferred holding bitcoin for long time instead of buying and selling within space of 4 to 5 months that is not encouraging for me but holding for 4 years or 8 years should be more preferable because of bullrun season can manifest on the process of holding

There's no doubt that option B is a good option that many would like to follow only if they understand the peak of the bull and the bottom of the bear. The complicated nature of bitcoin and the inability for people to know these points make the option B a bit more difficult one.

The three methods you provide are actually good and indeed our goal in investing in bitcoin is to seek profit, not just hold and hold without thinking about profit. Methods one, two, and three can all be profitable as long as we can take advantage of the moment, if I myself use method number three.

Because for me, method number three, besides being profitable, we can also continue to invest for the future. So I will buy and hold in one round and sell half of the assets when the bull run occurs, the rest will continue in the next round because honestly even though we know that every four years there will be a halving and there will be a bull run like the history of bitcoin but the pattern will still be different.

So it is very difficult to predict the price of bitcoin with certainty so just in case method number three would be better for me personally, the most important thing is comfort in using the method because no matter how good the method or strategy we use if it is not comfortable the results will not be good.

Totally! It just should be done appropriately and naturally - accumulating BTC is an art of in itself.
Self-discipline plays a huge role here, and understanding of cycles - too.

I can agree - you need to do it with the funds you are ready to put away, basically - otherwise, there is no point in it.
You need to let your BTC grow with time. Let it prosper while you keep your nerves and other things in good shape.

For how long you've held BTC yourself?

That's trading strategy for there is so much risk in it buying and selling to solve life need. Bitcoin investment is what we need to plan for before going into it because Bitcoin investment is meant to be for a longer period of time that's why you should make provision for emergency fund reserve and discretionary income available so you won't sell out your Bitcoin investment when personal need may arise or unforeseen circumstances when they occur you can be buying Bitcoin from your discretionary income so I think a better strategy should be to accumulate Bitcoin and HODL for long it could be from 4-10 and more then you can choose to sell little part of your Bitcoin when you have gotten to your Bitcoin accumulation target with DCA strategy you can also be accumulating Bitcoin regularly weekly or monthly irrespective of the price Bitcoin hold at the moment and continue hodling.

It's true that we all have different preferences but my preference is not included in the list because I just want to buy as much bitcoin as I can afford and hold it till I see enough reason not to hold bitcoin anymore because hodlers from the wall observer most have heard for over the years some from 2010 while others later yet they are still hodling that gives me enough reason to just buy and hold, maybe take profit when necessary and keep my hodlings tight.

If we are to talk about which one will give the best profit for the period of 8 years, I will have to go with the first option, which is buying and holding for the next 8 years before I think of selling. I don't just consider it to be the one with the most profit, but it is also one of the safest.
 
If I accumulate with the money I have and leave it in a safe storage, which I have complete access to, I don't have to worry about the price and sending it from one wallet to another, selling, and rebuying, which will cost me a fee, and I might lose some buying opportunity. 8 good years is enough time to double someone's holdings worth.

There is no need for any in-dept explanation, the second option should be the one that in theory should provide the best results, since you are selling close to the top your entire capital and then buying close to the bottom once again, however, the number of people that can apply that strategy effectively is very low, it is because of this that the best strategy is the first one, and the literature supports this view, even if in theory it is the worst out of the three options that you are giving us.

I literally don't think a Bitcoin trader will surpass a long term holder in terms profit with the same initial capital of $736 irrespective of the type of trade the user specializes on, due to the risk involved while trading, because you could either make profit or lose your entire capital if the trade doesn't go as predicted. unless you are a super experience and professional trader that could generate a significant profit, despite the long term losses. But that doesn't mean with trading you can't make massive profit, but you just have to be willing to invest more money after losing a certain percentage. So long term holding remain the best for complete newbies.

I cant provide historical backup but I am always going with the one cycle - buying at the last bear and sell and the next bull. Now wait for the bear to appear again.

Indeed holding across more than one cycle might have better outcomes, but I dont like that. Multiply it while it is already in the multiplied state dont wait for it to depreciate in the meantime.

Its fairly simple to keep this cycle running every year and leads to much less headaches over the market.

Bitcoin is a valuable asset, none of these plans will make you regret your investment. But like I always say, smart investment is key, so in all of the three points, the second one is the best if I were you. It will continue maximizing earnings unless Bitcoin stops the history of the cycle performances that we know.

If you buy Bitcoin at the beginning of a cycle and maximize the opportunity until it hits the peak or almost the peak, then you liquidate your investment and wait for more than 2 years to buy again. It means you are buying Bitcoin cheaper.

Now, compare yourself with a person who is worth $10,000 at the peak of Bitcoin but did not liquidate. Peradventure, the bearish season dragged his asset' worth back to $1,800. This time, he has just $1,800 equivalent, but you who divest to reinvest will have (10,000/1,800)= 5.56 times his worth to invest afresh and must have gained $55,600 when Bitcoin moves back to his worth of $10,000.

Number 1 and 3 will be better for me. But maybe that will be different than what people choice because we have different plan on investing in Bitcoin. I have a friend who buy and hodling Bitcoin for only one circle and sell it all when bull run then wait for the next bearish to buy back.

That strategy works for him although he realize that he can save more Bitcoin when the bull run comes and only sell for some amount. All strategies can be profitable for each people as long as they know how to take profit in the bull run. The important thing here is know when they time to buy and sell.

I prefer to hold for one circle, Take out profits and go again in the next circle

Let's take into the simulation.

Imagine I have $736/1 Bitcoin in 2016, I sold 50% at $17K in 2017, now I have 0.5 Bitcoin and $8.5K, then I bought Bitcoin in 2019 at $4.25K/each, now I have 2.5 Bitcoin. 

I sold 1.25 Bitcoin at $63K in 2021, now I have 1.25 Bitcoin and $78,750.

Then I bought Bitcoin at $16K/each in 2022, so I have 6.17 Bitcoin.

Now my money worth $584,250

I believe you will say "hey, that's because you're using a scenario to buy at the bottom and sell at the peak, we will never know the future". But, even though you not really correct to predict the bottom and the peak, trading will beat DCA!

Buy store, make profit out of the ones you stored, and when you see the right time to sell and take profit, sell part of it and hold others.

When good entry time presents itself, one buys again and reaccumulates, and if there is a need to cash out some cash and Bitcoin is the only place you have money, then sell some and solve pressing problems. Life goes on, and it's never going to end. There is plenty of time to either spend your holdings or accumulate more and add to it.

It's actually a very good question and observation because if you look at most people don't even know when to buy and when to sell and I also love your sincerity and even those that are experience will continue to learn everyday because we keep discovering new things everyday. And one of the best thing about bitcoin and other cryptocurrency is that you can buy and sell infraction and most people have the mindset of holding for a very long time but it's in the mind but are they actually able to hold because some people don't even have another alternative so all they depend on is there bitcoin investment without any other source of getting money.

So having the mindset to hold for a long time then the same time the person have to be prepared with plans on how to invest and money to spend after investing. Because some peoples intrest have blinded them from making proper plans. And it's on support and eventually if it breaks it then it is definitely hitting 100k, and that is what people are expecting especially does that have been holding for a very long time, and one of the most difficult things to do is to hold but very productive if you can have patience to actually hold.

I have asked same question, not similar yet I got answers related to the question asked. I’m not yet an experience investor but I got few knowledge besides buying strategy is totally different from selling, I prefer holding for a circle then sell little fraction that’s suitable because it’s more easier starting another circle stable. For example it’s so hard building another high investment within a circle since bitcoin price keeps increasing, although there’s no practical example for detailed explanation. Like I have alway thought about standard when bitcoin investment is involved, the first strategy is also profitable whereby they hold for so long I guess it has to do with the level of patient needed.

It must be your start in investment, you must have reserved money for things in life like emergency, and you can not use all money for investment, and hope that your investment portfolio will grow in value. It's risky but I agree if you already bet all like this, when you have good profit from investment, let's resolve your emergent things first.

I disagree to use your profit for start up a business, because you can lose your money to that business, and it can be bankrupted too. I see no better business, even it unofficial, than Bitcoin. It's a money making machine for people who can invest in it, and hold it. Don't try new things, new challenge and lose all profit you got from Bitcoin investment, it's stupid.

For now, the second option will be my choice. I chose it since my buying style is DCA. So, I would prefer to sell all my coins and use the proceeds to solve some pressing needs and establish some money-making ventures. With the profit from my business, my DCA buying strategy will continue until the next bull run. I might consider options one and three when my business is established, and I have enough funds to run my business and home without selling my Bitcoin hodling. But for now, I might not be able to set up some things without selling all.    

Better strategy, buy and sell part what you need for your life awery month

If we invest, of course we want to enjoy the results of what we planted previously
Waiting for one cycle takes a long time, there is no harm in selling half of what we have from our investments to buy something much more useful, for example buying a plot of land or buying a simple house from the results of investing in bitcoin.

Are you sure enough that you only hold 50 percent of what you had before, don't you want to add it back if a downturn occurs? Indeed, literally we cannot get a cheaper price than the previous period, at least every time there is a downturn we go back in to increase our investment ammunition, and of course we will get the average price of the total price we have from investment.

I think the answer is how much totality we have in BTC, if we only want a little profit I think Option no 3 is better, but if it is total I think the number 300k will be the main priority scale. I personally am optimistic about that.

Buying and holding for a cycle and then selling off about 59% after the cycle makes a lot of sense to me because you may never be able to buy at the price you bought before the second cycle so having that 59% remaining after the first cycle still keeps you at an advantage of having the early moves benefits but then if you are to start buying in the second cycle the price difference may be challenging, literally you can decide to just take profit after the first cycle and carry on with the second without depositing any new funds into your portfolio to buy the coin again.

For me, I will prefer buying and holding my Bitcoin for complete two circles (i.e 2 bear & bull market in 8 years). Because one that certain is that no matter how an individual tries to "buy for one circle, sell all during the bull run and wait for the next circle to buy again" or "buy and hod his BTC for one circle and sell 50% during bull run and leave 50% to continue in the next circle", he/she can never make same profit as someone who just buy and holds for complete 8yrs without selling.

Example:
We could all see that the price of Bitcoin 8yra ago (29th November 2016) was $736
And,
The price of Bitcoin now 8yrs after (29th November 2024) is currently value at $96,867
That is, a whooping 13,000% profit in 8yrs

Investment is all about making profits and the only way we can make profits is when we buy and sell with profit. There are investors that would never sell their holdings for 8 year of buying, even though the price of Bitcoin keeps going dip, that will not. These kind of investors are long term investors and they have nothing to do with selling their holdings in a short term. Once we know the kind of investors that we are, it is very easy for us to decide whether to buy and sell immediately after some profits or to wait for a while before selling. This actually depends on our investment capital and the kind of investors we want to be. Every investors has goals and what they are expecting from crypto investment, whether to make profits in a long term or short term.

And selling a little of what you have is better than trying to sell everything and you don't have to bother your self with what happen to the rest after bull run and you can even decide to add to the one you already have after selling that 50%, the market will eventually come around for the next cycle, that is bitcoin for you it will
Come around for sure so know when to buy and when to sell is very important. And DCA is one of the best strategies they can use. Yeah everyone already understands how they run there business so they will do everything possible to hold till it comes around.


And following this two cycle is okay because which ever season is at hand you have to know exactly what to do at that particular time, wether to buy or even sell, the holding part is what have kept a lot of people from making money because before the price increases they have already sold everything they have so they need to learn from things like this, next time they should sell when it's bull run and it does not have to be everything.

For the beginning of my period in bitcoin I did the option to buy and sell in one round when I get the profit and this way is quite worth it for me to do but for now I try to be bigger where I buy and hold for the goal of 2 rounds (if this is possible) and until now I still remain with the goal I have at this time.

Although it is undeniable that this obviously requires a lot of process and patience but in the end I think it will be worth it for me to do and until now I am still not bothered by it.
My hope is that I want to be and realize the goal for 2 rounds this time but it does not rule out the possibility that if there are some more urgent things maybe I will release some of the assets I have and wait for the right moment to re-enter. But hopefully my initial goal can be realized where I am still strong in holding what I have at this time.

In fact, everyone wants to buy Bitcoin at a low price and sell at a high price, but here some can buy at a low price and sell at a high price, while some cannot sell at a high price or take it at a low price, and in the middle they have to sell at a loss for their own needs or the needs of their family. However, Bitcoin investment is always good for the long term because we have seen that after a long few years, Bitcoin has skyrocketed. During this pumping season, the price of Bitcoin has seen its highest height of $99,588 which has never been seen before.
At this point, I have sold all my Bitcoin and put it in USDT. I hope the market will dump. If there is a big dumping, I will buy Bitcoin again and hold it. I will hold my Bitcoin until it reaches the next all-time high. However, here, we should not lose patience and get emotional. You always have to be patient to buy at the market dip and sell at the high price.

Yes, considering that there is no way to know how cycles will behave in the future just by looking how they happened in the past, trying to get it right in detail with different timings is crazy.

Why do people make it so complicated? If you don't have BTC, buy right now what you can afford to lose, and forget about it until you need to sell it or you simply wake up one day and you feel like selling. Making more detailed plans is ok in environments of certainty, which is not what happens in crypto trading, even though the cycles of Bitcoin have been relatively stable so far.

The best option is to buy and just hold indefinitely. The closest to that strategy is the first option, so go with the first.

The second and the third options are just the same thing but with different risk and reward ratio. The second option is obviously more risky, but it might reward more. I wouldn't trust that circles will continue in the exact same manner they have done so far, so I'd go with the first option.

Number looks safe, cool and more beneficial. This is because if you bought bitcoin at 16k and sell at 100k for profit, you will not be able to buy back at 16k because the bottom line of the next bear market is always higher that the bottom line of the former bear. Meaning, you will lose the compounding profit that the bitcoin which you bought at 16k will give you in the next two circles.

Secondly, you don't need to be more concerned about the profit in dollar on your bitcoin by rushing to sell but learn how to control your emotions and be patient with your investment in order for it to yield more profit by being patient. 1btc = 1btc

If you aim to maximize your future profits within 8 years, it’s best if you focus on buying bitcoin consistently without attempting to sell even when there is bull run. The longer you hold, the higher the profits you will reap. However, this may take a lot of patience and positivity in the market, and not all is capable to realize this.

Furthermore, buying and hodling, and selling half of it when bull run comes, may also be a good idea. But you can’t guarantee that all your profits will be used to buy back again when bear season comes, since you may end up investing into other asset aside from bitcoin or spend some of your money for personal desires.

All the choices is capable of giving some good profit, it all depends on what the investor's plan is and why was he investing in the first place.

For an investor that's investing on bitcoin as a hedge against fiat inflation then hodling it as long as possible should be his interest.

But that investor that's mainly seeking for profit with bitcoin in the bull run then a 50% sell of or a a total sale after the bull run to wait for another circle again, neither of the two is bad approach. It all depends on the investor plans.

If you ask which will give better profit in 8 years then the answer is obviously the 2nd one.
But on the other hand, timing the market is not piece of a cake and so the better strategy would be 3rd one.
Holding and selling 50% in the bull run while holding the rest and then buy back in a bear market from the profits.

I preferred this option but with modified 70% take profit and 30% Moon bag holdings just in case Bitcoin price never went below to my initial selling price despite the cycle is already over.

Taking profit the majority of your holding is the best choice since you can’t guarantee if the price will continue or not while you have the chance already to secure profit which is your main goal for investing on Bitcoin.

Just make sure to leave something for holding so that you can still benefits on the pump in case the uptrend continue while you can still have profit of the trend already ended after your first sell.

I do prefer buying after the bull market we know people again become back to neutral, There is no hype, just being lowkey now as you can accumulate coin as possible and now well it takes another 4 years again so its a very long time it takes a lot of things happen in the market and even in the society that might affect like the things happen with the covid. If you have a chance to buy bitcoin again with the price of below 50k still its a very good opportunity to us to buy because we know bitcoin price get into 90k and now every ATH of it beats previous record so even we didn't see 100k right now still there's a chance next bull run.

I earlier created this thread [Strategy of Dr.Bitcoin_Strange] BITCOIN'S SELL TO BUY MORE STRATEGY some months ago, I did implement it and it works but perhaps not every love to sell, some people have the money to continue buying more till they have hold up to the number of years they intended to hold it. You can read through the thread.

The best is buy bitcoin during bear market, holding and during bull run you sell off and take your profits, then next bear run you buy and hold during bull run you as well sell off and wait for the bear run so that you can also make enough profits. But then the disadvantage is that you might not succeeded having the same balance which you had before for instance; you bought bitcoin worth of $1,000 when price was $30k per bitcoin and sold when price hits $60k then you were planning of waiting for the price to drop back to $30k again and the price didn't pull back maybe you ended up buy bitcoin worth of $1k at the price of $45k per bitcoin. In this you have lost some fraction of bitcoin.

Putting into mathematical expression:-
Bitcoin worth $1k at the price of $30k is about ~ 0.0334BTC
While bitcoin worth $1k at the price of $45k is ~ 0.0223BTC

Therefore; 0.0334-0.0223 = 0.0111BTC as lost for buying/selling in the next bull/bear run.

But if we compute this into long term holding like 8-12 years time you would see the profits would be so massive, this depending on the individual capacity to hold for long without sell off their bitcoin.

Investment $1k of 0.0334BTC at $30k to the present would worth not more than $3,293
That is to say that long term investment is still more profitable than holding for short term or selling/buying at every giving bull/bear run.

For personal choice, they can use number 3 which sell for 50% during bull run and leave 50% and continue investing for the next cycle.
Profit from the last bull run can be enough to increase their Bitcoin amount plus they can use DCA method to buy Bitcoin constantly and hold for one cycle or more. That will depend on their plan because each person will choose what they feel comfortable for them.

But they can hold for two cycles and sell all Bitcoin during the bull run. That can give them a big profit but they must have a strong hand to hold Bitcoin for 8 years.

I don't think that hodli bitcoin for two circles and above is difficult for everybody, because it depends on your mindset of what you plan to do with your bitcoin that you are buying. Everybody have their own intentions and their own reasons for investing in bitcoin. I think most of us don't visit the WO thread, where OGs with golden hands are, and they have being holding for long. If you don't depend on your bitcoin investment and you have a good source of income, it's easy. After all we save in the bank for a very long time, like 4 years and above to achieve our goal. The longer you hodli, the higher your profits overtime. I will go for option one, because MicroStrategy is my mentor.

For me I would say it depends on each person and how they program their buy and sell time. Buying and selling bitcoin to make profit does not necessarily mean it must be within the axis of 8years. Most people preferably chose long term HODLing and selling it after 3 to 4 circle which is about 12 to 16 years and above. But for the short term HODLers they can sell using any of the strategy from 1 to 3 options you provided.

I would choose the third option because I have no courage to choose the second option.

If you're good in trading, you can earn more than all the options you mentioned above.

Technically it's still profitable than DCA.

You don't have to really predict the peak and the bottom, as long as you're sell high and buy low, you will outperform people who DCA-ing Bitcoin. When someone have DCA-ing Bitcoin, at some point you will your coins too and you also not able to know the peak.

I prefer the second method to maximize profit but we don't know until when BTC gonna consistently have cyclical period like this where there's bullish season and there's bearish season.
once adoption grows large I expect such thing to be a lot more irrelevant and BTC will just be up only with occasional small retracement but nothing meaningful to be considered as bearish.

but yeah, seeing the price action so far I think 2nd method yields larger result but one thing you need to consider is you may find it difficult to find bottom and tops. therefore you can pretty well selling when BTC can still go up more than double and buying when it can still go down.

The most profitable is the second option. In every cycle, there's the ATH and the bottom. If you sell everything during the ATH and buy back during the bottom, you'd have the best profit.

But you can't always be accurate in timing the market. It's not as if the cycles are exact copies of each other. It's only predictable and easy in hindsight, when you're looking at past charts. But when you're trying to predict the future, you'd find it hard.

Like today, how do you see things would turn out in the near future? Would you wait for $100,000 before selling or you have a higher target? $110,000? $120,000? If the price corrects all the way to $90,000 before even hitting $100,000, would you sell or wait for the rebound? If instead of recovery, the price goes down to $85,000? Would you sell or still wait?

My point is, just buy and hodl and add more Sats every time you have extra funds. The safest option on the list is the 3rd, by the way.

4. Buy and hoard BTC, sell X0% during a bull run and hoard remaining. then use the received fiat to buy at the correction to increase hoard
#buy-low-sell-high-repeat
#dont-sell-all-hoard

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no one can know the true max a market can peak at nor the true correction new bottom
so instead of picking a number and selling all 50% you can try selling 30% at your picked number. and if the price then continues to go up you can sell another 10-20%.. and the same in reverse during the correction.

EG
if you plan to sell 50% at $150k, try 30% and then set a option to sell 1% per $7k rise. meaning if it gets to $220k you sold 40% in total. if it reached $290k you sold 50% and maximised opportunity whilst still only selling 50% and sticking to the never sell all hoard rule

then if you think the $150k-$290k would then correct down to $80k buy 30% at $80k but then have a 1% buy at every $1k amount below $80k, so if it corrected down to $60k you would have used all that fiat to buy more coin than pre-sell

So far I am still on option number one and have held bitcoin for two rounds or two missed cycles, and it does require high patience. Because it is not easy to wait for two rounds or 8 years that I will soon reach, and there is always temptation when bitcoin reaches a new high and this is an experience and also about what I think is extraordinary because when I really need it and I try not to be tempted and look for other alternatives so as not to touch it.

And I have a plan to take option number three if bitcoin reaches a new ATH at the end of the second round after 8 years, because I think this is the right time to be able to enjoy the benefits of Bitcoin that I have maintained well for two rounds. Taking a profit of 50% so that I can enjoy and realize what I want and save 50% and continue DCA as I did before which may be longer around 10-12 years or more, because for the next 10 years it is likely that the time when I may not work anymore.

I would not rely too much on the cycles. I'm in a minority position here in the forum with this opinion, but you should at least consider the possibility that Bitcoin's price doesn't follow the patterns of earlier years.

At least my stance is that there is no hard rule that the cycles will last around four years.

Reasons for this opinion:

1) there were only two complete 4 year cycles (2013-17 and 2017-21), but before those, Bitcoin had a quite clear 2-year cycle (2011-13). 2:1 is a quite thin evidence. If the top of the current cycle happens to be in 2025 (we don't know it) then of course we might have better evidence but still the options "2024 top" and "top after 2025" are still on the table.
2) there were intermediate bull runs in 2019 and 2013 which were almost as strong as one of the "canonical" bull markets, i.e. the price at least made a x4 and then fell again by more than 70%:
  In 2019
3) Miners are not too relevant as Bitcoin sellers (only 0,1-0,3% of the daily BTC sell volume is miner driven) so the popular "post-halving pump theory" is also quite weak, demand fluctuations almost for sure are more important.
4) The current bullish movement "looks" like "from the books of the 4-year cycle theory", but is primarily news-driven (US election).

So if your three options are the only ones you would consider, then I would favour option 3. However the DCA strategy mentioned by others is even better.

And my recommendation is to take note of the "attention economy" surrounding Bitcoin. There are clearly phases with positive sentiment (like now, but also during the second half of 2023 and the first 3 months of 2024), and other ones with negative sentiment. It's best to buy when everybody is thinking Bitcoin is dead while the other indicators are okay, i.e. if the price is low despite of no fundamental reasons for a Bitcoin crash.

A quite interesting strategy is also this one to improve on the DCA strategy.

All of these options can of course fail. Thus this is no investment advice.

With Bitcoin, if you can hold it, you can get rich. If you can hold your bitcoin longer time, like three more cycles, you can get bigger profit. With past cycles, Bitcoin always makes new all time highs with new Bitcoin block reward halvings and new cycles, so if you can hold your bitcoin through more cycles, you get bigger profit.

Case Bitcoin (useful)

When you want to take profit or plan your withdrawal, you can refer to a withdrawal strategy built up by JayJuanGee and bitmover.
[ANN] JJG Sustainable Bitcoin Withdrawal Strategy

I think having a continuous approach in buying is obviously the most profitable strategy for 8 years. But all are not in the same place.

So, the very basic call is to get into Bitcoin while in the bear market. Sleep and wait until it matures during the next cycle of bull run.

It sounds hard to do so but when you're used to it, you're printing cash for yourself every 4 years with consistency.

It's always been this strategy for me, start of the bear market, accumulate, do DCA, has the mentally to do it. Because there will be times that you will have to question whether what you are doing is right, so just remember to look at the bigger picture, you can't connect the dots early. So just go along and try to accumulate as much as you can in the bear market. You will be tested that's for sure. But if others can do it, then why not you?


Hard to say, we need someone to really compute and have the data. But I guess the thing is that we really have to think of how are we going to make profits after that long bear market. That's why for me, just buying and holding for one cycle is already enough. Realized profits at the end is very satisfying.

It's not a bad option when doing option 2 and also option 3. Why?, if you did the option 3 and did get the capital that you spend then leaving the profit or a portion for the next circle won't be a good choice to make since you already earned a profit and got your capital back so it won't be a loss in that case. Selling all of the profit to DCA is also a good choice I think since you only spend the profit that you have gained this bull season.

I have been using the number 2 option of yours, pretty much stack up everything prior to the pandemic, and then it's easy to save during the pandemic because obviously, you can't go out and so that's one advantage for me during that lockdown. And then I sold all early 2021 to buy something big from my profits.

And after that, I just take a break from buying in the next 3 months and then after that, I started to collect, sell some during emergencies, but still continue up to this day to save and accumulate.

However, I'm thinking as well with option 3 for next year's biggest bull-run, I might just sold 50% of what I might accumulate till next year and not sell everything. And then the cycle starts again, continue to accumulate in bear market, and then let's see how it goes in the next bull run.

This strategy is definitely attractive because it can boost profits while keeping things simple. It’s a different game compared to HODLing, which usually requires patience for years. Bull runs, on the other hand, happen in shorter intervals, so you need to be more proactive.

Awareness, this is what we need.. recognizing that the market moves in cycles and taking advantage of those patterns. It’s a repetitive strategy, but as long as you stay tuned to the market’s behavior, you can maximize opportunities without overcomplicating things.

take at look at this data, it might be helpful.

https://www.techopedia.com/crypto-bull-run-history.

Well if you ask me I'll go with the first option for hodling for two cycles of the halving. Now before this recent pump in bitcoin's price, many people would go for the option that says hodling for one cycle. However let's do a little math. Before the halving just before this current one we are experiencing it's effect ( more like the previous halving literally around periods of 2020) we were actually floating around 4 digits $8k+ and just over a span of around 4 years we are already 97k+ and Still pushing.

If we should calculate the effect in the next 4 years based on the stats of this last four years then we would likely be floating around $180k+ . If you check some people HODL with time in mind and not cycles so once they reach a tagged price they sell off and re buy when we experience a pullback.

The first option is the less risky option and for anyone not looking to risk or play the pump and the dump game it is better they stick to it, the number two option is the most profitable if the trend follow the predicted pattern base on the historical chart but it is the most risky of the three options. Reason been that even though history shows that there is a dump after every bull run there is certainly no guarantee that it will work out all the time, imagine selling bitcoin at $100k and the price pumps above it and never get to that point again or even below it then it is more like a loss, even though it is not looking realistic there is still an option of it happening.

The third option is just simply playing the safe hands which balances both the first and the second option and I’m
Terms of doubt is the better option but will recommend holding all to eliminate any possible risk, although if you can play the game well selling high and buying low is the best strategy

It’s much easier if you keep buying and buying while setting a target to sell 50% at a very high profit and hold the remaining 50% for a true HODL strategy. It all comes down to timing, and since everyone has their own goals, either strategy could work for an investor. The simpler, the better.. but what’s most important is having a clear target, as that makes the process much easier.

At the current stage, simply holding might not earn you as much profit since Bitcoin has already reached close to $100k. The room for growth isn’t as big compared to when the price was still $1,000. It’s worth considering this kind of factor when setting your target to keep things realistic.

I know a lot of persons would say that the longer you wait the more profits you get which is true but it's no easy job to hold that long especially when you know the ROI have increased significantly so I would say selling 50% in one circle and leave 50% to continue staking up and the reason being personal in the fact that seeing my portfolio all empty would really make my savings impossible again and plus no ever would ever know the actual Dip or bull limit.

Let's say only the rich waits for 2 circles. They have other sources of income and not in any need of their BTC investment (capital nor profit). But in theory, around here in the forum, you could see a random advice to hodl for 8 to 10 years. This seems unrealistic in practice while it could easily be dished out as an advice.

This is also what I have done and what I plan on doing continuously. I think waiting for 2 circles is quite too long for me. I have already waited a lot for one circle, I would want to reap my rewards and do something productive or profitable with the money I will earn from the profits from the bull run.

I prefer to buy and hold bitcoin for only one circle, sell all during the bull run when the price has already increased significantly and wait for the next circle to buy again. I will buy when the bear market has been very significant. But it is hard to know the bottom, so I DCA during the time especially if the price hit bottom much further.

Just as the title suggests, which is a better method of bitcoin investment. I will appreciate an in-depth explanation with relatable historical data.

1. Buying and hodling BTC for two circles (two bear and two, 8 years).
2. Buying and hodling BTC for only one circle, sell all during the bull run and wait for the next circle to buy again.
3. Buying and hodling BTC for one circle, sell 50% during bull run and leave 50% to continue investment in the next circle?

Which will give a better profit within 8 years.