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Quote from: Subbir on March 21, 2020, 08:18:48 AM

You are right due to this capitalism they need the chance to try to to such a thing. this society is hooked in to superstition. They fool poor people and open their kingdoms. Capitalists don't take hold of everything, even the system is in their hands But nobody can do business with the Coronavirus because it's true and has spread everywhere the planet.

If the legal system of our country is strong then these capitalists will never be able to influence. The legal system is weak because of the arrival of the capitalists and they do various kinds of bad business.

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Quote from: radjie on March 18, 2020, 09:15:30 AM

Is there any chance that when the corona virus appears, some scientists have discovered the antidote of the virus itself so that there is an element of intention regarding the spread of the corona virus because there is a business element in it so that the antidote for the corona virus is sought after by many people, this is like a film about spreading viruses that can kill and destroy the economy globally. what do you think about this?

I think no. Corona virus had gone through enough for them to hold the possible antidote that can cure infected people. If it's really exisiting, they should've released it ASAP thus they can sell a lot but they didn't do. The reason why there is no certified antidote yet is because of the certification process. Establishing a valid cure for a certain virus takes process. A lot of tests and practices should be performed before it can be available in the market.

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Quote from: Viscore on March 21, 2020, 06:52:39 PM

We don't know if that's really happening, the world is corrupt, people can use anything to destroy the economy for their personal benefits, including this virus that affected millions of people's lives. Sometimes the movie happens in real life, but that would only remain speculation for now until these people are found doing the crime and arrested.

well, I hope this is not a man made disease as otherwise if we can stop it now, it will still happen in the future.
These people who are doing it are cruel with no soul at all, for the money or power, they are willing to kill people.

I am not inclined in the thinking that this is a man-made virus. I still believe that the first persons who acquired it came from natural sources. If it is man-made, one should have come up a potent vaccine already. And yet, potential vaccines are still in human trial stage. I don't see that this is done for business sake. This is already pandemic and the whole world is suffering from it.

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We don't know if that's really happening, the world is corrupt, people can use anything to destroy the economy for their personal benefits, including this virus that affected millions of people's lives. Sometimes the movie happens in real life, but that would only remain speculation for now until these people are found doing the crime and arrested.

well, I hope this is not a man made disease as otherwise if we can stop it now, it will still happen in the future.
These people who are doing it are cruel with no soul at all, for the money or power, they are willing to kill people.

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Quote from: jackg on March 18, 2020, 09:20:47 AM

NO?

An antidote in this context would be a vaccine and the spread w pi uld have to be subdued for the vaccine to be applied to the population.

We may also see some random stocks rise though as less valuable companies come out with tests and cures.

For every private company in the US testing a vaccine, there's probably a socialised medicine programme in the EU doing the same thing, if they find them so fast - it wasn't a race, they know what they were doing...

Vaccines are not some sort of antidotes. In fact antidotes and vaccines are totally different things. You don't have to subdued the spread (not even sure what this means. I am assuming you mean that the spread has to be controlled) for applying the vaccine. People that hasn't been affected by the virus can apply the vaccine (if it ever gets created and approved) to make themselves immune (or at least be able to fight the virus without causing much trouble) to the virus. Those already affected by the virus does not need to apply the vaccine since the anitbodies can already fight against the virus.
You use antidote to reverse the bad affect of drugs or poison. On other hand you apply vaccine in order to make your immune system be able to fight against that particular virus if it ever attacks the body.

To develop an "antidote" you'd need something to reduce the antitoxins in your blood which would have to be done via a device administered via IV which won't be passed by any government thst cares about its citizens.

Or you'd have to develop something that draws out its antigens and breaks up the virus, which is similarly impossible in current medicine/technology without causing many more problems for the patient...

Even bill Gates' idea of refining and injecting blood plasma would require testing and filtration before being attempted and a government again would have to approve something and in doing so, if its simple to do (I. E a known strategy of idea) then the country that created the invention may not be needed. Governments can decide to honour a patent or not especially if its from a country that doesn't respect international copyright law itself.

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Quote from: Xampeuu on March 18, 2020, 11:24:23 PM

at this time many entrepreneurs are experiencing losses. but indeed not a few people who can use this condition to reap profits. we can see health equipment such as masks and hand sanitizers that most people hunt for, even basic needs are being bought in to anticipate the worst. many opinions about the antidote, but there is no valid and recognized by the world

That's sort of game theory at work.

If everyone just buys enough for themselves, everyone has enough and there is no shortage. But if just 1 person buys more than he needs, everyone else needs to also line up and buy or end up on the short end of the stick.

Trust me, when game theory starts to work on Bitcoin, it will be a whole new level of FOMO and then we who got in early will be really happy. Hopefully those of us who have more than we need decide to give it back to those who need it most.

I very much hope for the legalization of cryptocurrencies and that Bitcoin will take its place of honor as an international currency as a means of payment for every day for each person. I very much hope that all my savings will not depreciate, as is now happening in the Fiat equivalent. Today, in a pandemic, almost any entrepreneur is trying to earn at the expense of a simple person, because for example the cost of medical masks is $ 2, and they are already selling for $ 10. Almost all food products have almost doubled in price, as well as all basic necessities for humans. What caused this imitation? Of course, because of the artificial manipulations of the government and businessmen. At the same time, the national currency in my country fell significantly in relation to the dollar. If I used a stable bitcoin, then it would be stable all the time, and not be subject to inflation like my national currency.

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Quote from: Xampeuu on March 18, 2020, 11:24:23 PM

at this time many entrepreneurs are experiencing losses. but indeed not a few people who can use this condition to reap profits. we can see health equipment such as masks and hand sanitizers that most people hunt for, even basic needs are being bought in to anticipate the worst. many opinions about the antidote, but there is no valid and recognized by the world

That's sort of game theory at work.

If everyone just buys enough for themselves, everyone has enough and there is no shortage. But if just 1 person buys more than he needs, everyone else needs to also line up and buy or end up on the short end of the stick.

Trust me, when game theory starts to work on Bitcoin, it will be a whole new level of FOMO and then we who got in early will be really happy. Hopefully those of us who have more than we need decide to give it back to those who need it most.

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Quote from: Meowth05 on March 21, 2020, 05:13:46 AM

I don't think they are trying their best just to profit out of it, this might not look like it the research done by many experts are done by universities, it is true that they lack funding but saying that they are profiting out of it is ridiculous. One good business flourishing right now would be online gambling because people are on their houses and they want some entertainment.

It still boils down to sheer capitalism. Capitalism has eaten deep into the society that we all have forgotten our action to humanity. A lot of businesses are suffering with this virus while some businesses would see it as an opportunity to cash out big and deliver even beyond their target for the entire year. Is it wrong, of course not so far its done within the ambits of the law. The businesses that are struggling would they have taken a different decision should the table turn, of course not because we are all driven by capitalism and nothing else.

of course we know that products are in excess of demand at a time like this, and whether that is said to be business or indeed necessity. but with so many requests, it certainly makes the price expensive and it takes a lot of people, such as basic commodities that must be available for their survival

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Quote from: jackg on March 18, 2020, 09:20:47 AM

NO?

An antidote in this context would be a vaccine and the spread w pi uld have to be subdued for the vaccine to be applied to the population.

We may also see some random stocks rise though as less valuable companies come out with tests and cures.

For every private company in the US testing a vaccine, there's probably a socialised medicine programme in the EU doing the same thing, if they find them so fast - it wasn't a race, they know what they were doing...

Vaccines are not some sort of antidotes. In fact antidotes and vaccines are totally different things. You don't have to subdued the spread (not even sure what this means. I am assuming you mean that the spread has to be controlled) for applying the vaccine. People that hasn't been affected by the virus can apply the vaccine (if it ever gets created and approved) to make themselves immune (or at least be able to fight the virus without causing much trouble) to the virus. Those already affected by the virus does not need to apply the vaccine since the anitbodies can already fight against the virus.
You use antidote to reverse the bad affect of drugs or poison. On other hand you apply vaccine in order to make your immune system be able to fight against that particular virus if it ever attacks the body.

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You are right due to this capitalism they need the chance to try to to such a thing. this society is hooked in to superstition. They fool poor people and open their kingdoms. Capitalists don't take hold of everything, even the system is in their hands But nobody can do business with the Coronavirus because it's true and has spread everywhere the planet.

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Quote from: Meowth05 on March 21, 2020, 05:13:46 AM

I don't think they are trying their best just to profit out of it, this might not look like it the research done by many experts are done by universities, it is true that they lack funding but saying that they are profiting out of it is ridiculous. One good business flourishing right now would be online gambling because people are on their houses and they want some entertainment.

It still boils down to sheer capitalism. Capitalism has eaten deep into the society that we all have forgotten our action to humanity. A lot of businesses are suffering with this virus while some businesses would see it as an opportunity to cash out big and deliver even beyond their target for the entire year. Is it wrong, of course not so far its done within the ambits of the law. The businesses that are struggling would they have taken a different decision should the table turn, of course not because we are all driven by capitalism and nothing else.

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I don't think they are trying their best just to profit out of it, this might not look like it the research done by many experts are done by universities, it is true that they lack funding but saying that they are profiting out of it is ridiculous. One good business flourishing right now would be online gambling because people are on their houses and they want some entertainment.

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Quote from: fiulpro on March 20, 2020, 08:19:19 AM

With Donald Trump calling it The China Virus , Making racist comments on the live television , creating problems between people.

Oh wait, calling this "Wuhan virus" is racist, but calling the previous pandemic the spanish flu is not?

Quote from: mu_enrico on March 20, 2020, 03:52:56 AM

Anyway, virus isn't like poison that you can create antidote/serum out of it, so the cure might not exist. Yes scientist could create a vaccine (weakened version of the virus), but it wouldn't be effective with mutated virus like influenza. Even if you get vaccinated, you'll get cold most of the time when your immune system weak.

There is no time for that type of vaccine, based on either attenuated or inactive viruses, all those have failed againstt both mers and sars.
The only way to mass-produce something in an RNA vaccine, which doesn't require the presence of the virus, but, again no such vaccine has ever been approved for mass inoculation.

Translation:
We're f&^& if the disease isn't contained.

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I dont know the whole story on it but using virus for business is really crazy it sound like you commit a suicide so i dont believe that the people will make a virus for thier businesses it really sounds very ridiculous.

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Quote from: cengat on March 18, 2020, 09:52:29 AM

Quote from: Harlot on March 18, 2020, 09:38:39 AM

From what I know a pandemic such as this one cannot be monetize by pharmaceutical businesses if they find an antidote. That would violate a lot of international laws which a lot of countries already agreed and the company's CEO might be charged such as crimes against humanity. If they found a cure the best thing the company will get is either a subsidy for their research as well as some compensation for their efforts, they might profit a little but they won't be billionaires because of it as they cannot make this antidote/cure exclusive to the rich, this cure will be everyone's right to receive.

Even if they won't lie about researches of antidote be sure they will be highly rewarded for all masks, drugs, supplies etc. they are selling right now.

You are right in saying that supplying medicines to stop the virus are going to be rewarded but I don't think that any medicine has been made to stop this virus till now. many of us give false news about doing business The system of this country is weak and there's no action against those that violate the bounds.

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Antiviral drugs are not going to be in the market soon , you have to wait till 2021 , treatments are not something that are 100% working and finalized , it will need more than few months .
With Donald Trump calling it The China Virus , Making racist comments on the live television , creating problems between people.
The virus is sure very different for different people.
For some people it a agenda of political discussion.
For some it's a way to earn more through series and movies related to it .
For some it's a reason to chill out .
The bottom line is , no one even knows who could have caused it .

It's a pandemic that we have to resolve on our own .

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we cannot avoid thoughts like this. actually I have long heard about conspiracies like this, it's just that, every new thing that has a big effect there is always a conspiracy in it. some say that this is America's biological weapon and others. Well, if scientists have indeed found this drug and hid it, now other scientists should have made an antivirus that might have the potential to inhibit this virus.

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Quote from: Xampeuu on March 18, 2020, 11:24:23 PM

at this time many entrepreneurs are experiencing losses. but indeed not a few people who can use this condition to reap profits. we can see health equipment such as masks and hand sanitizers that most people hunt for, even basic needs are being bought in to anticipate the worst. many opinions about the antidote, but there is no valid and recognized by the world

If considered most people who run businesses, or anything related to it are affected due to this virus spread and due to closure of their city or being lockdown. The demand will definitely be going down in coming time a swell since quite of few people in job would be hit due to this slowness. Also share markets have fallen badly and people might have ended in a heavy loss if they have sold their stocks. Only handful of people who are in business related to such health services may be gaining it rest it’s a sad story.

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There are also rumors and conspiracy theory roaming around about this. Even some government official in china accused the US government for spreading in it. Because patient zero or the man with the virus came at US first. But i dont want to suspect anything until there's a conclusive proof about this.
Maybe this is actually man made or not. Honestly time will tell.

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Quote from: Blackdeath on March 19, 2020, 01:04:53 PM

There are a lot of viruses that you can get from wild animals, but to be honest human beings are also the ones who creates and spread these viruses that i think they are doing for money, so that if the virus have spread all over the world it may be the time that they will release the cure in exchange of fame and money.

Many said that wild animals markets were the culprit.

Anyway, virus isn't like poison that you can create antidote/serum out of it, so the cure might not exist. Yes scientist could create a vaccine (weakened version of the virus), but it wouldn't be effective with mutated virus like influenza. Even if you get vaccinated, you'll get cold most of the time when your immune system weak.

So the conspiracy theory is baseless IMO.

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