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ABCbits

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I think bitcoin need to have wallet apps which is very user-friendly, wallet such as Electrum, Mycelium, Coinbase or Xapo is still not too user friendly.
But, i think just show bitcoin address in QR is fine as long as user just have to view/scan it.

Quote from: pooya87 on April 15, 2016, 01:25:05 AM

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also do you think this: GB29 NWBK 6016 1331 9268 19 is simple? and people like it?
no ofcourse not but you never hear anybody complaining.
this is International Bank Account Number or IBAN and it can be as long as 30 alphanumeric characters
something which we all use without thinking twice. you write it on piece of paper, in your phone, or in a .txt file and copy paste the content just like what you do with bitcoin address!

It's because people don't have much choice so they must learn to use IBAN Roll Eyes

If there's other choice which is easier or more user friendly, people might think twice to use International bank account.

bob123

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To be honestly i liked it when it was cd .. and dir instead of just mouseclicks :>

pooya87

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although this topic may sound true and i'd be lying if i said i didn't have the same thought. yeah that would be great if the complex looking string of characters and numbers (a bitcoin address) could be shortened to something easy to see and remember BUT the reality is that in this day and age nobody is remembering anything not even simple phone numbers that is far less complected, hell i don't even remember what my phone number is; we all have technology like smart phones for these things. and the solution to topic's problem is QR codes or things like that.

also do you think this: GB29 NWBK 6016 1331 9268 19 is simple? and people like it?
no ofcourse not but you never hear anybody complaining.
this is International Bank Account Number or IBAN and it can be as long as 30 alphanumeric characters
something which we all use without thinking twice. you write it on piece of paper, in your phone, or in a .txt file and copy paste the content just like what you do with bitcoin address!

Kakmakr

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Hey, That was how everything started and look at what we have now. < Windows 10 >

cd ..
MD BitcoinClassic
cd BitcoinClassic
DIR
HELP
cd ..
RMDIR BitcoinClassic
DIR
MD BitcoinCore
cd BitcoinCore
MD SegWit
MD LightingNetwork
DIR
EXIT

If you have been there, you would know what this means. ^smile^ We were proud to be part of that generation and where it all started. Bitcoin is now transitioning from Dos to Windows with the partnership between Circle and Barklays. One of these days, people will send Grin

with their transfer to other people.

I get your point, but you just have to love the fact that we were part of the Dos stage of Bitcoin. ^smile^

mkc

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 14, 2016, 10:18:54 PM

Once there was someone telling me that assembly language, such as
mov eax,Y
add eax,1...

is such as mystery and only genius will understand....

I think these are the simplest forms of command that are the building blocks of super complex computing world we have now... 99.999% of people using computer don't even know they exist...

Now, shall I donate some coins to 3BgtSzEpMH6PVwKNhp4MV5ruTFLTvmqmLo?

Yeah I am old enough to remember that language.
even in embedded world, assembly still exists , but not as dominant audit used to be.

The question, as a master of assembly, you can not figure out who owns 3BgtSzEpMH6PVwKNhp4MV5ruTFLTvmqmLo?

Yakamoto

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Quote from: maku on April 14, 2016, 10:48:34 PM

It is interesting analogy but why don't you compare bitcoin address to number of bank account? It is the closest thing I can think of.
Bank account number is long number and I bet most of you can't remember it. In addition there is no well defined standard for the length of US bank account numbers.

Well, remembering a number is easier than remember "Capital I, Five, Nine, lowercase U, Capital M..." etc. There is some merit to a bank account being a more effective means of a holding account than a private key.

maku

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It is interesting analogy but why don't you compare bitcoin address to number of bank account? It is the closest thing I can think of.
Bank account number is long number and I bet most of you can't remember it. In addition there is no well defined standard for the length of US bank account numbers.

7788bitcoin

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Once there was someone telling me that assembly language, such as
mov eax,Y
add eax,1...

is such as mystery and only genius will understand....

I think these are the simplest forms of command that are the building blocks of super complex computing world we have now... 99.999% of people using computer don't even know they exist...

Now, shall I donate some coins?

Hirose UK

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I actually don't know well program language, I only know HTML.
after reading I get this, address of wallet is unique because it has codes on it and has its own pattern to be made. CMIIW

nanonymousx

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up until now, bitcoin users tend to be educated, nerd geek type of people.
To push to main stream, I think address is not user friends probably is not the main reason.

iv4n

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Quote from: JPage on April 14, 2016, 11:37:03 AM

Real people even hate QR codes. Even if a wallet had no Bitcoin address and all QR codes - people hate that crap. Only nerds use Bitcoin. Real people aren't ever going to use it - unless we figure out how to turn C:\>cd.. into cute little clickable icons that are clean, easy and fun to read and understand. Figure that out, and you'll be the next richest guy in the world.

I think someone already had that idea, but if not then for sure someone will steal it from you. I agree with you that masses will accept simple and easy things more faster. It's how economy works, and big teams try to make simple things more simpler.
But we have same weaknesses, who doesn't like when things go easy? Do you wish to say that you will not have some fancy wallet in future?
I think evolution is answer on everything, everything is growing and changings shapes. Why to deny it, is easier to accept it.

AgentofCoin

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Quote from: JPage on April 14, 2016, 06:45:06 PM

Quote from: AgentofCoin on April 14, 2016, 05:49:15 PM

Quote from: JPage on April 14, 2016, 11:37:03 AM

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We have to stop showing 3BgtSzEpMH6PVwKNhp4MV5ruTFLTvmqmLo to the public. It can't be read/understood anyway.
...
Only Circle seems to be going down the path of making this user friendly for non-nerds. That is not enough. Now go fix your wallet.

Bitcoin was created to allow the individual user to entirely control their own funds, without control or restraint.
Circle is an exchange and my understanding is that they do not provide their users with their private keys.

Are you saying that for the masses to use Bitcoin/bitcoin, they need not be bothered with their private keys as well?

All I am saying is...

if you show this: 3BgtSzEpMH6PVwKNhp4MV5ruTFLTvmqmLo to computer nerds, they will squirm and giggle like a bowl full of little girls. But if you show that to people - they won't touch it. No matter what.

You can spend eternity trying to explain it - people won't listen. People won't ever use bitcoin if it involves long explanations of where to put / how to handle 'private keys'.

I understand and agree with what you are essentially saying.

I just find it sad that Bitcoin was created so that individuals could control and perform their
own financial payments and savings and would not rely on trusted third-party systems. Now,
if your argument comes to reality one day, the average user will once again rely on those
third-party systems that caused Satoshi to make Bitcoin in the first place.

If people never really understand Bitcoin, chances are they will just stick with credit cards no matter what we do.
The incentive to use Bitcoin/bitcoin comes from what makes it different from the current financial systems.

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Quote from: Yakamoto on April 14, 2016, 05:56:13 PM

...people should be able to...

And there is the root cause of the problem. Assuming people -will- when they -should-.

JPage

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Quote from: AgentofCoin on April 14, 2016, 05:49:15 PM

Quote from: JPage on April 14, 2016, 11:37:03 AM

...
We have to stop showing 3BgtSzEpMH6PVwKNhp4MV5ruTFLTvmqmLo to the public. It can't be read/understood anyway.
...
Only Circle seems to be going down the path of making this user friendly for non-nerds. That is not enough. Now go fix your wallet.

Bitcoin was created to allow the individual user to entirely control their own funds, without control or restraint.
Circle is an exchange and my understanding is that they do not provide their users with their private keys.

Are you saying that for the masses to use Bitcoin/bitcoin, they need not be bothered with their private keys as well?

All I am saying is...

if you show this: 3BgtSzEpMH6PVwKNhp4MV5ruTFLTvmqmLo to computer nerds, they will squirm and giggle like a bowl full of little girls. But if you show that to people - they won't touch it. No matter what.

You can spend eternity trying to explain it - people won't listen. People won't ever use bitcoin if it involves long explanations of where to put / how to handle 'private keys'.

Yakamoto

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Quote from: AgentofCoin on April 14, 2016, 05:49:15 PM

Quote from: JPage on April 14, 2016, 11:37:03 AM

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Only Circle seems to be going down the path of making this user friendly for non-nerds. That is not enough. Now go fix your wallet.

Bitcoin was created to allow the individual user to entirely control their own funds, without control or restraint.
Circle is an exchange and my understanding is that they do not provide their users with their private keys.

Are you saying that for the masses to use Bitcoin/bitcoin, they need not be bothered with their private keys as well?

This shouldn't be an issue, people should be able to keep track of their private keys, especially in today's hyper-connected world where you can find and store information like that easily.

I guess some people just might not want to be bothered with a private key?

AgentofCoin

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Quote from: JPage on April 14, 2016, 11:37:03 AM

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We have to stop showing 3BgtSzEpMH6PVwKNhp4MV5ruTFLTvmqmLo to the public. It can't be read/understood anyway.
...
Only Circle seems to be going down the path of making this user friendly for non-nerds. That is not enough. Now go fix your wallet.

Bitcoin was created to allow the individual user to entirely control their own funds, without control or restraint.
Circle is an exchange and my understanding is that they do not provide their users with their private keys.

Are you saying that for the masses to use Bitcoin/bitcoin, they need not be bothered with their private keys as well?

btvGainer

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Quote from: alyssa85 on April 14, 2016, 12:32:30 PM

Services like Xapo use email addresses, which people find marginally more friendly. But yes, the hard core bitcoiners who have their own wallets are small.

New wallet services are being more innovative and making it simple for users.
Spectrocoin also allow user to transfer funds with email addresses besides bitcoin address

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Quote from: Slowturtleinc on April 14, 2016, 02:37:15 PM

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 14, 2016, 12:50:20 PM

wait if we makes bitcoin to simple to use before we solve the scaling problem we might run into problems

let's keep bitcoin nerdy till its ready for mass adoption

Agree its almost a good thing that bitcoin has these barriers or it could run quick out the gate to its fate if not prepared properly. The masses are a fickle lot and group think is the flavor of the month for most of them.

Great points. Wink

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Quote from: adamstgBit on April 14, 2016, 12:50:20 PM

wait if we makes bitcoin to simple to use before we solve the scaling problem we might run into problems

let's keep bitcoin nerdy till its ready for mass adoption

Agree its almost a good thing that bitcoin has these barriers or it could run quick out the gate to its fate if not prepared properly. The masses are a fickle lot and group think is the flavor of the month for most of them.

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Quote from: JPage on April 14, 2016, 11:37:03 AM

Figure that out, and you'll be the next richest guy in the world.

Write your own suggestion on how to improve this and present it to the devs. This is an issues that needs no fixing: Bitcoin is designed to work this way. Could it improve in being user friendly? Maybe. I don't have better suggestions. If you feel so strongly about this, you must have a way to replace the system currently in practice for something better and more user friendly.

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