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I spoken with my old friend he use to live in nyc around rich people he asked their business most of them said.
That it's debt they borrow money invest real estate buy to lease and sp500 and Even in crypto since many of them use llc options as company investors they not worry about
And they say markets always goes up
So many people just using the borrowed money nothing personal for them it's just game If they win they win If they lose then might be collapse but they are use to that after each crash wall street get bail out.
So a lot people are in high debt and they keep getting to make more debt a lot people using debt to invest.
The real estate prices not coming down so easy because there is a lot buy to lease deals.
And a lot gamblers are rich not smart just rich they. Was lucky because of good credit score.
A lot of markets are run by debt a lot investors using borrowed money not their own money
You guys tell that don't borrow to invest but that's not the case a lot people borrow money and invest and they not even worry about because they know markets will always bailed out and ATH after ATH always will be.
I mean the investors who are in debt are care Free they keep borrowing the funds and that's actually bullish and that's actually bring inflation
Also you in western financial world you don't have to pay fully your debt to increase your credit limit just keep paying few months and you could get more credit and you can invest more this money and If you are lucky you could make fast return pay back the loan and getting the bigger loan and more credit you really don't have to ask when banks see you play with money a lot they give phone call with offering credit to you more.
So until this huge borrowing and debt don't stop inflation not going down any time soon.
People who invest on markets they know more they borrow more higher the prices going the banks knows it too and when we look at the debt clock the debt growing bigger and bigger.
So a lot people are just recless they borrow care free and invest because a lot of them belive that markets going up always
All of this Will put the average worker Under bad situation when cant afford pay home rent neither mortgage and neither to own...because the bankers give a lot money really u don't have to pay even full amount you did borrow just pay some of it and you will receive phone call from the bankers ,hey we have good offer for you we can increase your credit limit
So you really don't have to be smart or genius just be brave and care Free and take the loan offers pay something and get more invest more borrow more and that's how a lot people do it a lot business is on debt huge debt If you Are in USA UK Europe au or Canada and you don't use that opportunity the easy credit then you miss good opportunity because those countries banking system is built the way to give you a lot easy credit even If you not paid complete funds you can get more and they really call you to take more credit.
So we live in the credit and debt economy and some people predict crash of this i don't think so because Banks not interested of collapse or value of money or lower inflation they don't care about they can keep doing this If inflation going too High well they do little rate hikes but they never stop it because they cant stop it anymore.

For someone who loves to write such a wall of trash in a completely unreadable format, you certainly get the most basic thing wrong in your thread title. You seem to be looking at this from the point of view of somebody who has no money and gets offered an 8% loan where they have no leverage or ability to negotiate. However the richest with the best financial advisors are using their existing status to generate often risk free returns and doing things like arbitrage to get even richer. That is very smart and because they often have so many assets to secure their loans against, they get the best borrowing rates - far lower than most and get to buy assets that give them higher returns. There is some risk involved but it can be managed.
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Rich people are now thinking about developing their business, going into debt is not because they are not smart, by taking loans they are trying to expand their own business, that way they will expand their business network so that they can easily cover their loans, because the more capital they spend on expand their business, the more profits they can achieve, so thanks to their extensive network they can easily compete with the market, they take out loans after their market is stable and they can also allocate their funds well and in an orderly manner, they must also be able to organize financial management them as best as possible so that they are not harmed by the proceeds of the loan.
Of course, they already have a thorough speculation before they try to borrow a loan from the bank. Of course, their businesses have gone well financially or the profits can be predicted and from there they can cover each other or help with the loans. That's how successful people use their money to build their new business.
when you already have a running business and it is true that it can produce stable results, then there will be a time when you definitely want to develop it, either by opening a branch or something else, and of course that requires more funds. borrowing from a bank is not wrong if the goal is to develop the business being run, besides that sometimes we also need to dare to take risks, but that doesn't mean there are no considerations made. of course there must be considerations made even though we have to dare to take risks.

what must be considered is money management, don't let us borrow money to develop a business and get profit to pay it off continuously like that, as much as possible we must be able to immediately pay off the loan that was made when the profit has been clearly obtained. because if left for a long time it will not get better because there is interest that will certainly increase over time, don't let it happen digging a hole to cover a hole. everyone certainly wants a comfortable life with one of them being financial freedom, so of course we have to do our best.
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In today's market, the more capital one has the higher the rate of return on investment. That is why we must seize the opportunity when our own capital becomes a major obstacle to our greater productivity. So having complete knowledge about debt management and working accordingly we need to utilize our business ideas so that success comes to our doorstep.

I think the more capital ideas there will be, the more opportunities will become clearer, with our thoughts of wanting to move forward, that is the key to success, even though we have to take risks, with the debt we have, but what's wrong with trying and that is a very positive thing? we do it for our own progress, so the rate on investment will be higher by using borrowed money to further expand the business by considering loans as something that requires broader thinking.

The real thing is the economic expansion the more business ideas and avenues he has. And money makes people's ideas fruitful. So if there is a good means of using our money and if we have the resort to debt to make it a reality then it has to be done for the sake of big business ideas. And it must be remembered that all the skills of debt management will be successful only if they are applied properly.
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I would say maybe the "successful" ones, not all of them. After all there are a lot of people who suck at what they do, and they will bankrupt and those people are not really that smart. Don't get me wrong, you could be a person who has a great successful business and still be a moron, or a person who bankrupt and still a smart person, what your business does doesn't define you if you ask me.

However, more likely than not, if you are smart and have a successful business, you will just keep that going. Wealthy people know how to use debt, because they can, they are allowed to, nobody will give me debt the way they give it to some rich person, if they did, I would have been rich by now as well but we all know they won't do that.
I don't think they are paying, but rather not optimal in carrying out the things they do and producing less than good results. In the world of course there are differences, it's impossible for everything to be the same, including those who are smart, of course that doesn't guarantee they will be successful and for those who lack understanding or are stupid, they can be successful, don't think that it's destiny because success can be achieved by those of us who do it well. , apart from that, success is not limited only to rich people, of course those from the lower middle class also have the opportunity to be successful as long as they are willing to fight and try.

When they are successful, of course they will be able to manage everything well, even if they can't, they must be able to manage it well because that is a must to keep the business running smoothly. Business success can be achieved by anyone, whether poor or rich, but it will be easier for the rich because they have a larger budget. with those who are poor or have lower middle class finances, they will find it difficult to develop.
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Rich people are now thinking about developing their business, going into debt is not because they are not smart, by taking loans they are trying to expand their own business, that way they will expand their business network so that they can easily cover their loans, because the more capital they spend on expand their business, the more profits they can achieve, so thanks to their extensive network they can easily compete with the market, they take out loans after their market is stable and they can also allocate their funds well and in an orderly manner, they must also be able to organize financial management them as best as possible so that they are not harmed by the proceeds of the loan.
Of course, they already have a thorough speculation before they try to borrow a loan from the bank. Of course, their businesses have gone well financially or the profits can be predicted and from there they can cover each other or help with the loans. That's how successful people use their money to build their new business.
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Rich people are now thinking about developing their business, going into debt is not because they are not smart, by taking loans they are trying to expand their own business, that way they will expand their business network so that they can easily cover their loans, because the more capital they spend on expand their business, the more profits they can achieve, so thanks to their extensive network they can easily compete with the market, they take out loans after their market is stable and they can also allocate their funds well and in an orderly manner, they must also be able to organize financial management them as best as possible so that they are not harmed by the proceeds of the loan.
Every businessman is a little more intelligent than the common people because in order to do business a lot of thinking research observation and vision needs to be done. Moreover it is never possible to make a profit in business. The issue of debt is a matter of deeper thinking research and foresight because businesses are for profit now if they can't make a profit with debt then there is no need to take debt. They take recourse to debt so that they can profit from it without spending their own capital. So do not know if they are smart but they are intelligent compared to other common people.
I would say maybe the "successful" ones, not all of them. After all there are a lot of people who suck at what they do, and they will bankrupt and those people are not really that smart. Don't get me wrong, you could be a person who has a great successful business and still be a moron, or a person who bankrupt and still a smart person, what your business does doesn't define you if you ask me.

However, more likely than not, if you are smart and have a successful business, you will just keep that going. Wealthy people know how to use debt, because they can, they are allowed to, nobody will give me debt the way they give it to some rich person, if they did, I would have been rich by now as well but we all know they won't do that.
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In today's market, the more capital one has the higher the rate of return on investment. That is why we must seize the opportunity when our own capital becomes a major obstacle to our greater productivity. So having complete knowledge about debt management and working accordingly we need to utilize our business ideas so that success comes to our doorstep.
Large capital can indeed make it possible to bring in more profits as long as the management can be precise and accurate enough regarding the things needed so that placing debt in areas that are really running and are able to generate money through sales turnover in the market will be more likely to be used. This means that every idea that can provide more income must always be used consistently with the money that already exists, including the money from the debt because if the management goes wrong, let alone our own money, perhaps the money we took from the debt will also be burned into the business.
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People say the rich become richer, the poor get poorer? It's more than money mismanagement. All of the system is designed that way. Rich guys borrow money like nothing, take their time paying it back, and get richer. Why? Because they play by different rules. The rest of us are panicking over every credit card statement, trying to stay afloat

Instead than scaring people about debt, teach them how to use it. Let's teach them the affluent guys' secret techniques. Let's make debt a tool for wealth creation, not a prison. An instrument of freedom. We should promote that kind of financial education
Debt is tricky though, even though it can be used for tool to create wealth, but if we fail then we gonna be deep into debt and we'd lose freedom altogether because you know being entangled in debt is hell.
I don't know how robert kiyosaki and the like could steadily create wealth through debt but for the average joe it's not something like toy, debt is serious matter that could put one's life into a mess.
the one thing that I think some successful rich people like robert kiyosaki forget to tell people is that rich people have wide networking, insight into business idea, and proper money management. they just have the better means of making them successful in their attempt of wealth creation.

knowing that business failure rate is high, recklessly using debt to expand will not be best idea. but then again, no pain no gain.
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Every businessman is a little more intelligent than the common people because in order to do business a lot of thinking research observation and vision needs to be done. Moreover it is never possible to make a profit in business. The issue of debt is a matter of deeper thinking research and foresight because businesses are for profit now if they can't make a profit with debt then there is no need to take debt. They take recourse to debt so that they can profit from it without spending their own capital. So do not know if they are smart but they are intelligent compared to other common people.
To be successful in a business of course someone must have intelligence in order to make the right decisions for the business they run because without sufficient intelligence of course they will find it difficult to make the right decisions and can benefit the business they run and in terms of doing loans to develop a business, they have of course seen the development of the business so they have the courage to take a loan and develop the business they are running and if they feel that they do not have the readiness to develop the business they will of course choose not to take the loan if they don't need.
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In today's market, the more capital one has the higher the rate of return on investment. That is why we must seize the opportunity when our own capital becomes a major obstacle to our greater productivity. So having complete knowledge about debt management and working accordingly we need to utilize our business ideas so that success comes to our doorstep.

Rich people are now thinking about developing their business, going into debt is not because they are not smart, by taking loans they are trying to expand their own business, that way they will expand their business network so that they can easily cover their loans, because the more capital they spend on expand their business, the more profits they can achieve, so thanks to their extensive network they can easily compete with the market, they take out loans after their market is stable and they can also allocate their funds well and in an orderly manner, they must also be able to organize financial management them as best as possible so that they are not harmed by the proceeds of the loan.
Every businessman is a little more intelligent than the common people because in order to do business a lot of thinking research observation and vision needs to be done. Moreover it is never possible to make a profit in business. The issue of debt is a matter of deeper thinking research and foresight because businesses are for profit now if they can't make a profit with debt then there is no need to take debt. They take recourse to debt so that they can profit from it without spending their own capital. So do not know if they are smart but they are intelligent compared to other common people.
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In today's market, the more capital one has the higher the rate of return on investment. That is why we must seize the opportunity when our own capital becomes a major obstacle to our greater productivity. So having complete knowledge about debt management and working accordingly we need to utilize our business ideas so that success comes to our doorstep.

I think the more capital ideas there will be, the more opportunities will become clearer, with our thoughts of wanting to move forward, that is the key to success, even though we have to take risks, with the debt we have, but what's wrong with trying and that is a very positive thing? we do it for our own progress, so the rate on investment will be higher by using borrowed money to further expand the business by considering loans as something that requires broader thinking.
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In today's market, the more capital one has the higher the rate of return on investment. That is why we must seize the opportunity when our own capital becomes a major obstacle to our greater productivity. So having complete knowledge about debt management and working accordingly we need to utilize our business ideas so that success comes to our doorstep.

Rich people are now thinking about developing their business, going into debt is not because they are not smart, by taking loans they are trying to expand their own business, that way they will expand their business network so that they can easily cover their loans, because the more capital they spend on expand their business, the more profits they can achieve, so thanks to their extensive network they can easily compete with the market, they take out loans after their market is stable and they can also allocate their funds well and in an orderly manner, they must also be able to organize financial management them as best as possible so that they are not harmed by the proceeds of the loan.

We just need to think simply like this, if they are not smart or good, how can they become rich and maintain their wealth? It's funny how people like us who have never been rich criticize rich people for being stupid  Grin Grin Grin.

Not to mention, think about organizations that lend money to rich people like banks, are they stupid enough to lend money to rich people without finding out everything first? Anyone who can borrow a significant amount of money from the bank at least owns a significant amount of assets and to be able to own that amount of assets they will not be as stupid as we think.
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In today's market, the more capital one has the higher the rate of return on investment. That is why we must seize the opportunity when our own capital becomes a major obstacle to our greater productivity. So having complete knowledge about debt management and working accordingly we need to utilize our business ideas so that success comes to our doorstep.

Rich people are now thinking about developing their business, going into debt is not because they are not smart, by taking loans they are trying to expand their own business, that way they will expand their business network so that they can easily cover their loans, because the more capital they spend on expand their business, the more profits they can achieve, so thanks to their extensive network they can easily compete with the market, they take out loans after their market is stable and they can also allocate their funds well and in an orderly manner, they must also be able to organize financial management them as best as possible so that they are not harmed by the proceeds of the loan.
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That is the experience I have seen and almost a very large percentage of young and senior entrepreneurs are involved in loans to expand their business networks or small businesses that they are developing.
But the most important thing is to have calculations and know how to deal with risks before taking out a loan, so that when you want to start you have preparations if something unexpected happens.
When applying for a loan, it's crucial to remember that the bank needs to see a clear and viable repayment system. This is a key factor in their decision to grant a loan.
The bank will only agree to give you a loan if you can show me a system that allows me to repay it. Currently, banks offer loans depending on the system you show.
But if a person wants to start a business, it can be started with a small capital. Starting a business with a small capital can gradually take it to a larger scale.

They are interested in giving you a ring because they give you a ring, and they can earn a percentage from it. If you follow the correct process, you will get the loan.
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I agree with that and in fact there are many businessmen who have done that, whether for large or small businesses, of course they will use loan money to further enlarge their business so they can get bigger profits, that is a normal thing in business and I think they are not stupid people.
In fact, they are business actors who are afraid of the risk of taking out loans and it will be difficult to develop if they do not have large capital.

And indeed everything comes back to calculations, even though the risk is still there, but if you want to develop a business with loans, I think it's quite worth it.

That is the experience I have seen and almost a very large percentage of young and senior entrepreneurs are involved in loans to expand their business networks or small businesses that they are developing.
But the most important thing is to have calculations and know how to deal with risks before taking out a loan, so that when you want to start you have preparations if something unexpected happens.

Today's business will never be able to develop if the capital we have is small because many competitors have large capital to develop their business.
Taking out a loan for something productive would be better than taking out a loan just to fulfill a lifestyle like most people do now.
In today's market, the more capital one has the higher the rate of return on investment. That is why we must seize the opportunity when our own capital becomes a major obstacle to our greater productivity. So having complete knowledge about debt management and working accordingly we need to utilize our business ideas so that success comes to our doorstep.
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Entrepreneurs who are starting to make their business bigger by having several branches as their network always move with careful consideration. So when it comes to borrowing and lending money to increase capital, he has to pay very, very close attention to it before actually doing it because it only has one important goal, namely to make the business grow more rapidly and also be more advanced before all the loans are paid off by the deadline itself.

Loans can be productive or not, depending on how we use them and when someone decides to take out a loan, they should understand the resulting risk.
Now without capital support it is almost impossible to develop a business because if the capital we have is small the business will never be able to develop rapidly.

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Don't worry about any competitors because any good fortune will not be exchanged and I have actually seen an example of a company that is big now, such as iPhone, which has never felt afraid of the presence of Samsung in the midst of such a broad market attack by that manufacturer. Competitors are our motivation to develop to be better, although I also do not ignore capital because in terms of capital it does not only include money, but also important thoughts and strategies that must be built before spending more money in business.
In business we need to worry about competitors because if we don't have the option to make the business grow further then we will experience bankruptcy.
Now there is a lot of competition in the business world and they have a lot of capital to develop and if we are not able to keep up then the business we run will not develop.
Business comparisons cannot be seen from the level of large companies as you said because they do have large capital. This speaks to business people who do not have large capital and they must try to compete with other businesses that have already developed.

Without sufficient capital, promotional strategies and the level of utilization of the products we sell, it is difficult to develop in this day and age.
There are many competitors who have everything when it comes to building a business and we will be left behind if we don't have these three supports as I said.
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Debt has never been a bad thing it's just used wrongly by most common folks, have you ever wondered why bank gladly borrow money to business men even if they are owing?, that's because they make money of the little percent they take as interest.
Those that are plan themselves to start a business but that didn't have their own personal capital to start till they take a loan for the bank or from someone, I don't blame them Shal because every success person start with a decision to try, there some people's that is through another person money's they can generate their own personal money; so that's how about some will take a loan just to start a business and they will be survive but some can take loan and at the of the it will becoming big problem for them.
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If you take loan to invest in a business then you have made a good use of a loan and if you use it for personal needs like buying food or living luxury then you just created a mess for yourself to solve later.
That's what is created problem for some people's they will be on their own and they go and take a loan and instead of them to use established another success of income, so that even thought the time has come that they can repay the loan suffer alot they can only be taken a little amount of from what they established with the money and been paying a loan gradually.
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That is the experience I have seen and almost a very large percentage of young and senior entrepreneurs are involved in loans to expand their business networks or small businesses that they are developing.
But the most important thing is to have calculations and know how to deal with risks before taking out a loan, so that when you want to start you have preparations if something unexpected happens.
Entrepreneurs who are starting to make their business bigger by having several branches as their network always move with careful consideration. So when it comes to borrowing and lending money to increase capital, he has to pay very, very close attention to it before actually doing it because it only has one important goal, namely to make the business grow more rapidly and also be more advanced before all the loans are paid off by the deadline itself.

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Today's business will never be able to develop if the capital we have is small because many competitors have large capital to develop their business.
Taking out a loan for something productive would be better than taking out a loan just to fulfill a lifestyle like most people do now.
Don't worry about any competitors because any good fortune will not be exchanged and I have actually seen an example of a company that is big now, such as iPhone, which has never felt afraid of the presence of Samsung in the midst of such a broad market attack by that manufacturer. Competitors are our motivation to develop to be better, although I also do not ignore capital because in terms of capital it does not only include money, but also important thoughts and strategies that must be built before spending more money in business.
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People say the rich become richer, the poor get poorer? It's more than money mismanagement. All of the system is designed that way...

The first part is true.  The rich get richer because they know how to manage money and make good financial decisions.  The poor get poorer because they don't know how to manage money and make poor financial decisions.

The system is designed to produce workers and consumers, not entrepreneurs and investors.  Mindset, knowledge, and behavior determine financial success, not "luck" or "the system".  Financial success involves rejecting the propaganda pushed by mainstream and social media that traps most people info making financial decisions that keep them poor and make others wealthy. 

When I read "I want to become rich so I can buy expensive stuff and flex", I see someone locked into the consumer mindset who will probably never become rich and will waste their life blaming their misfortune on others and "the system".  🙄
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I agree with that and in fact there are many businessmen who have done that, whether for large or small businesses, of course they will use loan money to further enlarge their business so they can get bigger profits, that is a normal thing in business and I think they are not stupid people.
In fact, they are business actors who are afraid of the risk of taking out loans and it will be difficult to develop if they do not have large capital.

And indeed everything comes back to calculations, even though the risk is still there, but if you want to develop a business with loans, I think it's quite worth it.

That is the experience I have seen and almost a very large percentage of young and senior entrepreneurs are involved in loans to expand their business networks or small businesses that they are developing.
But the most important thing is to have calculations and know how to deal with risks before taking out a loan, so that when you want to start you have preparations if something unexpected happens.

Today's business will never be able to develop if the capital we have is small because many competitors have large capital to develop their business.
Taking out a loan for something productive would be better than taking out a loan just to fulfill a lifestyle like most people do now.
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