Topic: A plea to Yifu - page 2. (Read 3630 times)

I have multiple chips and multiple assemblies on the line here.  It's more significant than $200.  

Edit: I didn't mean to imply $200 when I said "a couple hundred".  Sorry for the confusion.  I meant more than a few but not a lot.  A couple usually does imply 2 but not every time.

Do yourself a favor and make your own decision.   Zoom in on the picture.    Track the shipment to HK.    Decide for yourself if you think it made it to HK.    Remember, to get on the ship/plane/train/truck etc. that is LEAVING china, you first MUST clear chinese customs....
Fun fact for you, there were no cargo plane crashes in that time period.

wow you're on like everything I seem to read mr bitcoinarama....I came on to ask the OP:  what do you possibly do for a family weekend getaway on only 200 bucks???  I did the math that is like 2 days of motel6 hotel room at 60 usd per night with a remaining 80 dollars to split up between meals and Travel - It would only work for like me and a 2nd person if we went out to each, stayed at a hotel one night and didnt road trip it farther than a half tank of gas.  Even if you bag a hybrid that only costs you 30 USD for a full tank, that is still like 50 bucks to split on 6 meals (12 if you have a partner/spouse) that you need to split 50 dollars on.  That sounds like a really shitty weekend getaway - please hook me up with knowledge to prove otherwise.

Because from the time they were posted in the BTCman forum (where they originated in a thread) they apparently originated from a disenchanted Bitsyncom member of their design team, Gridchip, who was insinuating they had already taken delivery of all these chips before he left, or he was in possession of them.
You need to find someone who speaks Chinese.

Last links in English, click that it states there was a split in Bitsyncom;



EDIT: As above, Minor Miner may well be more capable in clearing this up if he speaks Chinese.

But I do.   That is the point of my last line.   Once they are in HK.....
I do not believe the story.   Fortunately, I have nothing outstanding with them after II and III.   If I ever see him at a conference I will call him out for the no face thief that I think he is and will see if he can convince me otherwise or if he will just run away like a little bitch.

I don't know what you are trying to say.  That they WEREN'T in customs?  I'm not sure how your picture of Chips destined for Hong Kong proves they weren't in customs...

The tracking code is clearly identifiable on the images as they are high res, and in another thread I believe someone had mentioned Hong Kong was a destination, but check for yourself. Cannot remember which thread but it had a link to check the Chinese tracking no.

http://imgur.com/a/GR0e3

Apparently it originated from here;

http://www.btcman.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4621&extra=page%3D1&page=4

But I don't read Chinese.

EDIT: Found this though: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2682662

And they also have to clear customs in their destination country.  Ragingazn's sample chips have been held up in NY customs for weeks now.

I am not sure if people understand that all goods that LEAVE china must clear customs (chinese customs).   We ship 2-4 containers a week out of china, and everything on them is declared to customs minimum 3 days before the container leaves.   If it does not clear chinese customs, it is not allowed on the ship.   Sometimes when you EMS 5-10 boxes, you can get them out with no customs approval.  But, if you send too many they will hold for customs.    Then you just have to send someone to deal with customs.    It usually delays them a couple days.   
I am not defending Yifu's story (because I think it is complete BS and I adamantly believe he stole batch II units from us and mined them himself), I am just seeing a lot of people confused about customs (and which customs it is).
BTW, once you get your goods to HK, they have been cleared through chinese customs and you can easily send them wherever you wish.

No they didn't what?

Yifu said they were held in customs since 2 weeks.  I take that to mean that there were 4 weeks between the end of the promised lead time and when the chips hit customs.  What happened during that time?  If chips were ready, why did they sit for 4 weeks?

No they didn't 2.1 million chips were photographed ready and in hand by an ex-Bitsyncom member in late June and posted on this forum.

That's what I've come to understand. 

I think we are still entitled to an explanation.  Four weeks went by before these even got to custom.  I just want an answer.  If Yifu ignores me, then I'm no worse off than everyone beating their chests in the "Not Dead Thread".  Maybe my post publicly directed at Yifu will get a response.   I'm not holding my breath, but what's the harm?

^^^ batch 3 wasn't overprice --- if it wasn't 3 months late. As is will be break even and get a small ROI but it's not as great investment as it looked originally.

As someone who has been to China and has friends in China, just wanted to say briefly that 'shit is different over there'. I'm not defending Yifu or apologizing for his lateness, but, folks got to keep in mind business is just done differently over there. If there is a customs problem that means that right person was not paid the right amount. Bribery is just the primary way business gets done over there, folks do not have the same legal protections or recourse available to them.  I don't know the details of the situation but that's just the fact of doing business with companies in China. 

Even up to multinational company level, you have to pay many bribes 'fee's' to many people and you are at there mercy, you can complain  to any sort of business organization or the police or anything. It's a much different system than in North america.

TBH Batch 3 was egregiously overpriced...

Those complaining about chips have little to gripe about versus the B3 being MUCH more costly and MUCH more delayed.

Remember chips weren't even ANNOUNCED when B3 went up for sale.

Any compensation SHOULD go to B3 owners first. 

And no, I don't think there will be any compensation. 

Fuck you too buddy.

Fuck your 4 weeks and family dinners. Why were our batch# 3's 12 weeks late??

Let's just face it. He's a dog.

If hes ignoring people with thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of $, hes not gonna respond to you personally via this forum over a missed family vacation, no offense. It took an angry mob just to get 'an update'. Best bet is to call him (347 number somewhere going around here, I could be wrong) and see if he picks up and ask him yourself. No doubt that dozens, if not hundreds have already tried and would probably have updated the lot of us if we got anything more than "Stuck in customs, keep waiting".

Considering the gov't is quite corrupt there (it is here too, but differently, kinda), maybe he did have to bribe several people/gangs along the way to get those chips shipped out of the country if they caught word about them and did any research into what these chips did. The amount of possible explanations is endless.

The lack of updates and communication is incredibly unprofessional. And the "stuck in customs, keep waiting" seems like a modified excuse from BFL's handbook.

Can anyone here, who even remotely knows him, remind him that hes fucking over a lot of dedicated, talented people for every day the chips are late?

Maybe he just doesn't give a shit because he has all his $ and doesn't need your business anymore, much less his attention to this clusterfuck he has created here.

I thought the same exact thing--for about two seconds.


He just got off the plane! Care to guess at what airport? Clue: CNY not NYC.

If one of the filings with the FBI go through, it's not entirely implausible for them to flag him in the system.  Once once he steps into any US-controlled port of entry he could be pulled into a room for interrogation or possible apprehension.