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Honestly, I'm not really familiar with horse racing bets and I was so glad that I've read your thread. Depositing $6,000 is no joke and is a big amount. But the profit is worth it if you win. Since I wasn't familiar with this kind of gambling, how come you will bet on the other horse that you think will lose?
Unlike other games that you will bet on the winning team, this one is the opposite.
How is the profit worth it here? You need to risk $6000 for a mere $20 to $30 profit and you need to risk your bankroll again and again in order to try and break even which is honestly silly and something I would not recommend.

This approach is indeed different when compared to traditional approaches, but is still a high risk strategy.

I don't want to deposit $6,000 although the profit is big because of it still not worth my money. I cannot imagine if somehow, we lose all the money even if we can get a break even, it still not worth to deposit that money.

But the high-risk strategy will come to high profit too, and that is what I learn so far. But still, I don't want to use big money to play gambling.
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Honestly, I'm not really familiar with horse racing bets and I was so glad that I've read your thread. Depositing $6,000 is no joke and is a big amount. But the profit is worth it if you win. Since I wasn't familiar with this kind of gambling, how come you will bet on the other horse that you think will lose?
Unlike other games that you will bet on the winning team, this one is the opposite.
How is the profit worth it here? You need to risk $6000 for a mere $20 to $30 profit and you need to risk your bankroll again and again in order to try and break even which is honestly silly and something I would not recommend.

This approach is indeed different when compared to traditional approaches, but is still a high risk strategy.
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Honestly, I'm not really familiar with horse racing bets and I was so glad that I've read your thread. Depositing $6,000 is no joke and is a big amount. But the profit is worth it if you win. Since I wasn't familiar with this kind of gambling, how come you will bet on the other horse that you think will lose?
Unlike other games that you will bet on the winning team, this one is the opposite.
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So I saw here tons of discussions about how to make money from gambling, and honestly betting on over/under in Basketball, Football or Soccer, choosing the winning team, betting on point spread - it's not going to win in the long term.

But here is something that I can testify that has worked for me personally and this is quite of the only ways to make money from gambling - and I'd like to hear your opinion about this - so how does it work?

The way to make money - Horse Racing - You bet AGAINST the winning horse (Lay the horse in betting terms, not getting LAID with the horse god forbid  Cheesy but you lay - bet against it)

1) You only go for races in Australia, no other country is that solid with that.
2) You only go against horses that have odds of 100/1 or more. (i.e. the bookies will pay 100 to 1 if that horse wins)
3) You can use BetFair, 9Wickets or OrbitExchange to lay the horses. (the latter two are mainly accessible via betting agents, they all use the BetFair Exchange market).
4) You don't lay horses that are too young (because they are too unpredictable).

Basically, if you deposit $6,000 you would get from each successful race around $20 - $30 if that horse loses, even if the horse finishes 2nd place you would still get $20 - $30, the horse has to finish first to burn that bankroll and as long as such horse is not winning the race - you would get $20-$30 followed by another $20-$30 from each successful race.

This way you could easily make $100 - $200 per day or even more.
Horses like this are traded for 80 - 600 odds in BetFair, so you are guaranteed to make money from almost every race where you like that horse to lose.

The benefits:

1) This is not exactly gambling, you in some way get an edge here, or in another words we in some way try and take the randomness out of the equation here, you are literally laying horses that are trash, ones that are worthless.
2) Horses with odds of 100 or 150 to 1 can still win the race, it does happen from time to time, but it's extremely rare. You should only do horse racing, not harness and no races in other countries (e.g. in South Africa the rate of horses of this kind winning a race is so much higher!)
3) You must not be tempted to bet on horses of 50-60 to 1, unless you are 100% sure they are trash - horses with these odds have higher chances of winning the race.
4) Remember you risk your entire bankroll every race, you need about 200 successful races just to break even - BUT, if you stick to this plan the reward is going to be quite awarding.

Been doing this for quite a while and had no losses, was wondering what you guys think about this?


It is indeed a wise idea. But not all people are into sportsbetting or games of as such. I do also disagree that betting on a hores race is not gambling because you are betting and there's no 100% assurance of winning. There are still tendencies to happen which you have mentioned. The bottomline is that, winning in gambling cannot be really manipulated. You may seem to have observed a pattern but I would say that it might just be a coincidence. Gambling is pure luck and patterns won't really help.  In order to just make full of gambling, just enjoy it and do not aim for profit, in order to not have frustrations and further yield to gambling addiction. I do still commend OP for having good observations.
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I wonder if gamblers do not understand the simple fact that new casino houses are popping up everyday and this to me means that the house always wins. So no matter what strategy anyone tries to apply the outcome is 100% right that he will lose the money in the longer term.

You are right, in every single Casino game you are 100% guaranteed to lose because of the house edge.

But this is not Casino!

What I exemplify here is you betting against other people - using BetFair - you actually don't have many "new casino houses" doing what BetFair is doing, you have BetDaq and Matchbook but BetFair is still the #1 website for this kind of activity.

Also unlike normal betting in horse racing where you need to guess which horse would win the race - here you can guess which horse would LOSE the race and that's how you make profit - you are actually in some way being the house here, because you use a huge balance to "sell" other bettors the opportunity to bet on horses with high odds.

Nonetheless it's still gambling, and BetFair (or Orbit Exchange in this regard) makes a commission regardless of who wins the bet, so they are the real "house" here, but this was just a new method for you to think about (it's actually not so new, but I haven't seen many people talking about longshot horses, I did see tons of articles about "laying the favorite" but no one actually talks about longshots).
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The only way to make money on gambling is having your own gambling site or becoming the banker of the bettimg game. No one has a sure earnings on gambling except if you are the one who initiates it. The odds of you winning is 90 -100% whilst the better only have 5-20% depending on the kind of game you are having.

This has been the case since ancient times only here you are making a good 20% chance to win for the gambler when in reality it is just below 10%.

I wonder if gamblers do not understand the simple fact that new casino houses are popping up everyday and this to me means that the house always wins. So no matter what strategy anyone tries to apply the outcome is 100% right that he will lose the money in the longer term.
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The only way to make money on gambling is having your own gambling site or becoming the banker of the bettimg game. No one has a sure earnings on gambling except if you are the one who initiates it. The odds of you winning is 90 -100% whilst the better only have 5-20% depending on the kind of game you are having.
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You say it is a proven way - please produce the proofs!

There is no proven way to make money from gambling or sports betting. Gambling is not a method of making money - no matter how good are you at it!
Actually waiting for the proof because telling about success is easy but proving it out would really be hard. I cant even imagine to ROI or break even on 200 games.

You are welcome to see it and respond as well, it's here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/documenting-my-horse-racing-bets-started-26-dec-2018-5089805
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P.S.: Found this site on 100/1 horse strike rates. They do seem to be climbing every year, closer to the 1% equilibrium. So it may appear, statistically, betting against 100/1 horses has an edge. But phew, I could still never do that. If you want, you should do a record and collect 200 races so you have something to show =)


That's actually the right spirit.
Why no one is paying attention to it?

PS I have a record but cannot share it here for many reasons.
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Not everyone can go to Australia and bet on horse there(I don't know it can be done online or not).


You don't need to go to Australia or be physically present there, you simply bet from wherever you are, online.
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I really doubt that this is actually +EV for the player.

Any +EV method is bound to disappear quite fast...

So something as simple as betting on the low odds... It can't be +EV
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Horse racing is one of the worst forms of gambling because this form of gambling is known to have been the first form to become corrupted from the horse owners. I have worked in a casino a few years ago where we would transmit via Tv horse races from London and people got broke with it. I doubt very much horse racing.

Horse racing is the worst form of gambling for a gambler, for someone to predict which horse would win the race, but here you LAY the horse, you choose which horse WON'T WIN the race, that's why it has much more value than you think.

It's better than dice because you use real horses with real human beings in real events, and not just randomness from a dice ... Besides some theories you raised here I don't see anyone who can show me when a 100+ horse won a race in Australia, it's very rare to see one. It could happen but usually by the time it does (and assuming you took that race) - you can not only double but triple and quadruple your initial investment.

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Horse racing is one of the worst forms of gambling because this form of gambling is known to have been the first form to become corrupted from the horse owners. I have worked in a casino a few years ago where we would transmit via Tv horse races from London and people got broke with it. I doubt very much horse racing.
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Your title is completely misleading.

This isn't a proven way to win, this is just betting at low odds, which is probably the worse possible way of gambling... You're sur to win only a veeeeeeeery tiny amount of money when winning, and you lose it all if the horse gets to win...

Right. And i probably wouldn't have the patience for this tactic. Why gamble at all then? You take away the excitement by playing a little bit too safe that you compromise a lot of things that make gambling fun.

What does patience have to do with it? You increase your bet sizes and you can still win decent amounts...

That said, I do think that over the long term, you're bound to lose some time.
This might be a very low risk way of betting, but it sure isn't 100% guaranteed.

I really doubt that this is actually +EV for the player.
From all gambling games, betting on horse and dog racing are the ones I dont like at all. I dont know anyone who made money on this, and I know a lot of people who like to bet on horses and dogs. Betting on low odds is never a good way to bet, in any sport, when you win you win a little, when you lose you lose a lot, after everything you end up losing much more than winning. People will never learn that there isnt a proven way to win in gambling, you need to lose in gambling too, its the game where you win and lose all the time, good gamblers just win more than they lose, others lose more than winning.
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Your title is completely misleading.

This isn't a proven way to win, this is just betting at low odds, which is probably the worse possible way of gambling... You're sur to win only a veeeeeeeery tiny amount of money when winning, and you lose it all if the horse gets to win...

Right. And i probably wouldn't have the patience for this tactic. Why gamble at all then? You take away the excitement by playing a little bit too safe that you compromise a lot of things that make gambling fun.

What does patience have to do with it? You increase your bet sizes and you can still win decent amounts...

That said, I do think that over the long term, you're bound to lose some time.
This might be a very low risk way of betting, but it sure isn't 100% guaranteed.

I really doubt that this is actually +EV for the player.
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Your title is completely misleading.

This isn't a proven way to win, this is just betting at low odds, which is probably the worse possible way of gambling... You're sur to win only a veeeeeeeery tiny amount of money when winning, and you lose it all if the horse gets to win...

Right. And i probably wouldn't have the patience for this tactic. Why gamble at all then? You take away the excitement by playing a little bit too safe that you compromise a lot of things that make gambling fun.
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Your title is completely misleading.

This isn't a proven way to win, this is just betting at low odds, which is probably the worse possible way of gambling... You're sur to win only a veeeeeeeery tiny amount of money when winning, and you lose it all if the horse gets to win...
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I personally think this is a risky business you are in. I am loving sports bets as well. For fun I place accumulators for the big shots with low buy-in. But I think the only way to make consistent money with sport betting is by doing arbitrage bets or following an value betting strategy. Both arbitrage and value betting are 2 proven strategies that can generate consistent ROI on a long term point of view


Very few people can actually become a professional gambler. If it was really easy casinos would all go out of business.  Guys that are willing to put in the work and do lots of research on matches can come out on top but they need a large bankroll to withstand any variance that may come there way for an unlucky streak.
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I personally think this is a risky business you are in. I am loving sports bets as well. For fun I place accumulators for the big shots with low buy-in. But I think the only way to make consistent money with sport betting is by doing arbitrage bets or following an value betting strategy. Both arbitrage and value betting are 2 proven strategies that can generate consistent ROI on a long term point of view
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