Topic: A SIMPLIFIED BREAKDOWN OF TRUST SYSTEM +0/=0/-0 (Read 233 times)

That's not accurate. Breaking the rules is generally dealt with by reporting to the moderators to have either the post in question deleted or the user in question warned or banned. Negative trust is handed out for behavior which is deemed untrustworthy or shady, whether or not it breaks any forum rules. The prime example of this is scamming - scamming is not against the rules to prevent moderator bias, but will rapidly earn you negative trust.

Except read, learn, contribute, and discuss. You know, the prime reason the forum exists. Contrary to popular belief, the main purpose of the forum is not to enable people to earn some worthless token by spamming meaningless trash.

The idea is in this reply already but I would like to add some points which I think are not yet mentioned. Basically, trust points are being acquired more likely on transactions between users, more often in trading and lending of cryptos but still depends to other users or DT perhaps if they would give you, or not. Trust can be destroyed indeed. To make it simple, negative trust will be put by a DT on a user if he won't follow the rules in this forum such as with the campaigns . For example, using alt accounts within a single campaign. If you would be caught, and if it would be proven, chances are high that you will acquire red trust.

Poor rating of an account will not result to a total ban. But it could make your account worthless. You won't be able to join bounty campaigns, and you won't be able to to engage with transactions, so there's nothing you can do with your account that would benefit you especially if the negative trust has massive weight in accordance the the rules.

The trust system is not moderated because  it was designed to be as decentralized as possible. Admins won't be of much help and dealing with trust abuse is left to the community.

If the negative feedback was left by a regular member (non DT) then the best thing to do is to ignore it as it doesn't have any weight and doesn't appear in your trust page by default.
If it was left by a DT member and you strongly believe it was unfair then the proper action is to write about it on reputation board. Other members, if convinced, will distrust him which may lead to his removal from the DTs list.

Neutral trust is logically better than negative trust, as the intention behind is to leave feedback that one does not consider is really enough to qualify as a commercial positive trust, nor did not ir go as bad as to warranting a subjective negative review. Neutral nevertheless is often used to leave all sort of additional non-commercial related feedback, and if it must go anywhere, neutral feedback is the better suited place (as opposed to non-commercial/scam related positive or negative feedback). It often reflects reverted negative trust when this is removed, and the issuer still wants to leave a trail of this fact.


Note: Normally, you should try to minimize the amount of posts in a row that you make (namely one if possible, in order to comply with the forum rules), especially if they are consecutive in a very short period of time (such as is the case). Even if you created a post to answer/ask separately a set of forum members, it is best to do so in a single post, quoting the extracts that you consider necessary.

As Kupid002 linked above, here is the list of forum rules, breaking of which will result in your post being deleted, a warning, or maybe a temporary or permanent ban, depending on the severity of the case: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657

There are no hard and fast rules as to what behavior could result in receiving negative trust. Leaving trust ratings is subjective and not moderated, meaning people are free to leave negative trust to other for any reason they wish, including fake or frivolous red trust. Most senior and otherwise well trusted users will have many nonsense negative ratings which have been left by scammers in retaliation. However, if you leave nonsense negative ratings, then you will be excluded from other users' trust lists, and your negative ratings will be hidden by default for forum users. The negative trust ratings which show up in your profile by default and affect your trust score are those left by Default Trust members. Read LoyceV's guide linked above for a full explanation of this.

There is also this post by xtraelv which gives an (not comprehensive) list of untrustworthy behavior that would likely result in receive negative ratings from Default Trust members.

Also, try not to post multiple times in a row - it is against the rules (linked to above). Instead, edit your existing post to include any more details or comments.

In order not to be  banned  you just need  to follow all guidelines gjven here Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ


For negative feedback ,as long as you are not doing anything bad in this forum there is no way someone will give you that.

You are quite active in this Beginners and Help board but didn't find the LoyceV guidelines to correct use of the trust system? That would break down all of your questions. Go here for getting everything related to the trust system- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/loycevs-beginners-guide-to-correct-use-of-the-trust-system-5191802

Do what you think is good and ethical and don't do what you think bad and unethical. Some may disagree with your DO and DON'T and give a positive/negative rating.

Your explanation is helpful but it look somehow not clear enough.

There are activities that can lead to getting negative trust and there are some activities that can lead to banning.

Pls, I have know those that can lead to negative trust in your example but what specific examples can be considered as banning activities.

Coyster already answered your question and if you don't want your account getting banned is you have to follow the forum rules. Trust system is not the reason that your account getting banned. Trust system is for determining that a user should be avoided or not which is why there is a negative and positive trust.

One additional thing to ponder here is the actual content of the feedback that is left on peoples profiles, and whether that is meaningful to you or not. Theoretically, Trust feedback should be commerce related (scams may fall under this category), and although this has been emphasized often enough, there is a lot of feedback that does not fit the profile.

Since the Feedback is open text, it has and will be used for a wide range of alternative reasons. Take for example the small amount of Trust feedback on my profile (both on the Trusted feedback – which plays alongside the Trust scores, and the Untrusted feedback): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1582324;dt

The seven feedbacks that led to my +7 positive on my Trust Score are all accurate, and although I consider myself a trustworthy person on principle, the feedback is not commerce related, and therefore, accurate as it may be, theoretically should not really be positive Trusts but rather neutral (although I don’t like neutral for that use either, since it breaks the commerce notion, even if on a milder scale).
On my Untrusted Feedback (which means that it was not originated by a DT member, or your Custom Trust Network, or their Trust network members up to your level of visibility) there is a similar positive Feedback, and two veil attempts at retaliation for tagging some other forum members for being scammers).

So really, you need to read the feedback to get a better composition of the profile, although the scores act as an introductory level bird’s view.

I want to give emphasis on these matters.

The consequences for having a poor rating gives you a lot of headache for sure. If you are applying on signature/bounty campaigns with such trust rating then better to concede now because there is no chance you will get accepted. Simply because "having a negative trust" is not allowed. Aside from that, the other things you could expect is that no one will attempt to make transactions (either buy or sell) with you. Everyone definitely get extremely cautious for who you are.

But even how bad your trust ratings are, I think you will not get banned. But you know what? It was all the same. Most of the members will belittle you for having a bad image unless you once became an influential person here.

With regards of having neutral trust ratings (like me), hmm I think everything still okay and under control. You can do what a normal member can do here. But remember! Be more careful now. Such rating is a wake up call for you to become a better member so don't just ignore it. Read the reviews you got and correct it. I know you might disagree on some comments they told you but let it be. Besides, there's no point for complaining; it may only get the situation even worse. If you got one, I guess the best thing you can do is serve it as your inspiration and reminder that you can be more than that .

Slight clarification - as many ratings as you receive from different users. If I were to leave you 10 different positive ratings, your score would only every increase by a maximum of 1.

An excess of negative trust does not directly lead to being banned, no.

Many of the activities which can result in negative trust are not against the rules. Scamming, for example, is not moderated, and will not result in a ban in and of itself, but will result in negative trust, sometimes copious amounts of it. Some activities which can result in negative trust, such as linking to malware or phishing sites, are against the rules and can also result in a ban, but the ban is entirely separate from the negative trust, and the presence or otherwise of negative trust plays no part in the moderator's decision as to whether an account should be banned.

You've contributed nicely and clearly.
The answer to number three shows that when one is involved in such  anti-forum activities one can receive bad rating.

 Can't that lead to banning of that from the platform because such activities are bad?

The first number indicates a positive trust, if you receive a positive rating from a member in DT or on your trust list it changes to +1 and is green in color, the middle number is for neutral ratings while the last is for a negative trust, which shows as -1 and is orange in color. As many points you receive, whether negative, neutral or positive, the number increases.
Yes you can build a positive trust on the forum overtime, if you prove to be trustworthy in issues like trading on the forum etc
Yes, if you do things against the forum rules like selling and buying accounts, buying merits etc, you will receive negative ratings from other users and have a bad reputation on the forum, which "destroys the account"
Signature campaign managers do not take participants with negative trust/ratings, you will also find it difficult to trade with members of the forum plus a ruined reputation which is bad enough.
No, negative trusts don't lead to bans, you can only be banned for reasons such as plagiarism, ban evasion and very few other reasons.

Yes, I'm curious because I love to know what I should know at the right time.

While going through my profile I found a feature on the bitcointalk forum that I'll like to understand better.

The feature is called TRUST under the  profile of every account. From my findings, it means a vote of confidence that the network give to one through rating.

I want to ask the following questions based on this:

TRUST +0/=0/-0

1. What does each number and signs of the Trust system means and how do they work.

2. Can the TRUST system be built by the user of the account. If yes in what ways?

3. Can the TRUST system be destroyed by the user of the account? If yes in what ways.

4. What are the consequences of not having a good rating?

5. Can poor rating system of an account lead to a ban of  such an account?

Kindly share your usual helpful opinion.

Thanks