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Quote from: cafucafucafu on January 07, 2015, 06:02:37 PM

We know the the address of the Bitstamp robber. Is it feasible for future regulations to ban merchants from accepting coins from a specific address? This means also banning bitcoin mixers from doing the same.

This would be a bit complicated, as he can easily change the sending address, or just send the coins to a few different casinos and exchanges then withdraw them to other accounts. It would take a lot for a program to back track every transaction to block the spending. I wish he would accidentially send 100 or so of those coins to my wallet tho. i would put them to good use.

and even eb willing to pay Bitstamp back with interest on the investment

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Quote from: DannyHamilton on January 10, 2015, 04:59:55 PM

Quote from: gjgjg on January 10, 2015, 11:19:44 AM

Quote from: DannyHamilton on January 09, 2015, 08:31:17 PM

Not without the consensus of all the users, and you aren't going to get that.

Great! that seems to be the answer i was waiting for: yes its technically possible, but requires community consensus... right?

Correct.

Bitcoin is built on the consensus of the users. If you can get 100% of the users to agree to some protocol change, then you can make the change. The further you get from 100% the less possible it is to implement a change.

There is no reason why the community would ever agree to this. We do not even have proof that these bitcoin were even stolen, all we have is a claim by a company that people have for some reason trusted with millions of dollars worth of bitcoin

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Quote from: cafucafucafu on January 07, 2015, 06:02:37 PM

We know the the address of the Bitstamp robber. Is it feasible for future regulations to ban merchants from accepting coins from a specific address? This means also banning bitcoin mixers from doing the same.

Bitcoin isnt going to replace every form of payment at least yet, its good at what it does, it works differently then other payment types.

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There should be no future regulations which change the Bitcoin protocol. Period.

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Hodl!

Banning addresses is about as effective as requiring real world physical money transactions to be validated by the participants having a blade of grass, and should either of them do anything scammy, their blade of grass will be taken away!

(Yes, it very, very easy to acquire another blade of grass, that's the point.)

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Quote from: cafucafucafu on January 07, 2015, 06:02:37 PM

We know the the address of the Bitstamp robber. Is it feasible for future regulations to ban merchants from accepting coins from a specific address? This means also banning bitcoin mixers from doing the same.

Well just think it like this. If Person A stole bitcoins, and everyone now knows Person A's face, then Person A could mix and send his money to Person B , and approach the merchants.
I don't think the merchants will keep checking the relationship between A & B all the time.

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Quote from: DannyHamilton on January 10, 2015, 04:59:55 PM

Quote from: gjgjg on January 10, 2015, 11:19:44 AM

Quote from: DannyHamilton on January 09, 2015, 08:31:17 PM

Not without the consensus of all the users, and you aren't going to get that.

Great! that seems to be the answer i was waiting for: yes its technically possible, but requires community consensus... right?

Correct.

Bitcoin is built on the consensus of the users. If you can get 100% of the users to agree to some protocol change, then you can make the change. The further you get from 100% the less possible it is to implement a change.

Thank you sir!

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Quote from: cafucafucafu on January 07, 2015, 06:02:37 PM

We know the the address of the Bitstamp robber. Is it feasible for future regulations to ban merchants from accepting coins from a specific address? This means also banning bitcoin mixers from doing the same.

You aren't an alt of marcotheminer are you? This sounds like the kind of topic that he likes to start so he can make a lot of replies to a stupid question.

Technically yes it would be feasible to stop the bitcoin in the subject address (or any address for that matter) from ever spending their coins. It would however be a horrible idea and would harm the fungibility of bitcoin and would likely lead to it's eventual failure

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Quote from: GAW on January 10, 2015, 05:02:49 PM

What if a guy comes up to you selling gold with blood all over it from the house he just robbed and family he murdered inside. Is that gold bad then?

I see nothing wrong with trying to track bitcoin thefts.

What if a guy comes up to you selling shiny gold that was carefully cleaned? Is that gold good or bad?

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Quote from: pozmu on January 07, 2015, 06:42:51 PM

Someone already built website that marks some coins as "bad", but to make it work all bitcoin merchants would have to follow its decision.
Not to mention it would undermine the core idea of bitcoin - it wouldn't be longer decentralised, that person/ organization which decide that some coins are "bad" would work like central bank.
Bitcoins should be treated similar to gold, there is no "bad" gold as long it's real, pure gold Cool

What if a guy comes up to you selling gold with blood all over it from the house he just robbed and family he murdered inside. Is that gold bad then?

I see nothing wrong with trying to track bitcoin thefts.

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Quote from: gjgjg on January 10, 2015, 11:19:44 AM

Quote from: DannyHamilton on January 09, 2015, 08:31:17 PM

Not without the consensus of all the users, and you aren't going to get that.

Great! that seems to be the answer i was waiting for: yes its technically possible, but requires community consensus... right?

Correct.

Bitcoin is built on the consensus of the users. If you can get 100% of the users to agree to some protocol change, then you can make the change. The further you get from 100% the less possible it is to implement a change.

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Quote from: DannyHamilton on January 09, 2015, 08:31:17 PM

Quote from: gjgjg on January 09, 2015, 08:12:40 PM

maybe im missing some aspect here (very likely considering my tech knowledge depth of btc;),

Almost certainly.

Mostly certain...

Quote from: DannyHamilton on January 09, 2015, 08:31:17 PM

Quote from: gjgjg on January 09, 2015, 08:12:40 PM

but in theory couldnt btc devs impliment an update for the blockchain to have a wallet lockout feature?

No. There is no way to force the thief to use the wallet created by the devs. The thief could just create their own wallet software.

Not talking about a wallet specifically created by the devs, but wondering if theres some kind of 'access function / channel' that all/any wallets use to utilize the blockchain (or could it be created)?
ie in theory therefore all/any wallet could be 'blocked out' and so essentially frozen (reminder: im asking about technical possibilities here, not asserting anything)

Quote from: DannyHamilton on January 09, 2015, 08:31:17 PM

Quote from: gjgjg on January 09, 2015, 08:12:40 PM

so say if bitstamp call up the btc wallet police

I don't think there is such a thing as a "BTC Wallet Police".

Correct, its a hypothetical (reminder: im asking about tech possibilities here, not asserting anything)!

Quote from: DannyHamilton on January 09, 2015, 08:31:17 PM

Quote from: gjgjg on January 09, 2015, 08:12:40 PM

and say: all my coins are being stolen and going to address x, then that address is blocked out from interacting with the bchain until such a time as the wallet holder can be caught? basically freezing assets as they do in the fiat world?

And if I get angry at you, can I call up "the bitcoin police" and lie and say "all my coins are stolen and have gone to your_addresses_here", and then they can freeze your funds without your permission?

Correct! Id then subsequently contact the (hypothetical) police, clear my name and my wallet then regain 'access' to the blockchain (reminder: im not asking about the rights and wrongs of such a hypothetical scenario and its logisitcs, just asking about technical possibilities)

Quote from: DannyHamilton on January 09, 2015, 08:31:17 PM

Quote from: gjgjg on January 09, 2015, 08:12:40 PM

not talking about tagging the coins themselves directly (or looking to get into discussing the morals of the logisitc here; who would police the police etc), but interested in knowing if its technically possible to 'ban' a wallet per se.

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Not without the consensus of all the users, and you aren't going to get that.

Great! that seems to be the answer i was waiting for: yes its technically possible, but requires community consensus... right?

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Seriously who is going to implement the regulations to control and stop further transactions coming from the wallet? The whole community which so big has to agree and come to consensus with at least a majority accepting the idea. Even if this becomes a reality, it simply takes away accountability factor by the owner to take appropriate steps to secure and make every way possible to care for their fund.

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Quote from: cafucafucafu on January 07, 2015, 06:02:37 PM

We know the the address of the Bitstamp robber. Is it feasible for future regulations to ban merchants from accepting coins from a specific address? This means also banning bitcoin mixers from doing the same.

All we know is what a human at Bitstamp told us.

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The only theft solution is to increase the security of proccesses
and even that way you can't be 100% secure

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the best theft solution is to have more protection
if you use good wallets like trezor or ledger wallet and you have your bitcoins safe you won't have to worry

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Quote from: gjgjg on January 09, 2015, 08:12:40 PM

maybe im missing some aspect here (very likely considering my tech knowledge depth of btc;),

Almost certainly.

Quote from: gjgjg on January 09, 2015, 08:12:40 PM

but in theory couldnt btc devs impliment an update for the blockchain to have a wallet lockout feature?

No. There is no way to force the thief to use the wallet created by the devs. The thief could just create their own wallet software.

Quote from: gjgjg on January 09, 2015, 08:12:40 PM

so say if bitstamp call up the btc wallet police

I don't think there is such a thing as a "BTC Wallet Police".

Quote from: gjgjg on January 09, 2015, 08:12:40 PM

and say: all my coins are being stolen and going to address x, then that address is blocked out from interacting with the bchain until such a time as the wallet holder can be caught? basically freezing assets as they do in the fiat world?

And if I get angry at you, can I call up "the bitcoin police" and lie and say "all my coins are stolen and have gone to your_addresses_here", and then they can freeze your funds without your permission?

Quote from: gjgjg on January 09, 2015, 08:12:40 PM

not talking about tagging the coins themselves directly (or looking to get into discussing the morals of the logisitc here; who would police the police etc), but interested in knowing if its technically possible to 'ban' a wallet per se.

?

Not without the consensus of all the users, and you aren't going to get that.

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maybe im missing some aspect here (very likely considering my tech knowledge depth of btc;), but in theory couldnt btc devs impliment an update for the blockchain to have a wallet lockout feature?

so say if bitstamp call up the btc wallet police and say: all my coins are being stolen and going to address x, then that address is blocked out from interacting with the bchain until such a time as the wallet holder can be caught? basically freezing assets as they do in the fiat world?

not talking about tagging the coins themselves directly (or looking to get into discussing the morals of the logisitc here; who would police the police etc), but interested in knowing if its technically possible to 'ban' a wallet per se.

?

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Quote from: cafucafucafu on January 07, 2015, 06:12:27 PM

Quote from: Gleb Gamow on January 07, 2015, 06:09:23 PM

Quote from: cafucafucafu on January 07, 2015, 06:02:37 PM

We know the the address of the Bitstamp robber. Is it feasible for future regulations to ban merchants from accepting coins from a specific address? This means also banning bitcoin mixers from doing the same.

Great idea! I'm heading to the gas station to inform them to no longer accept fiat script having the following serial numbers due to how said fiat coinage was used in the past:

You are not the law.

Neither r u...

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Quote from: cafucafucafu on January 07, 2015, 06:02:37 PM

We know the the address of the Bitstamp robber. Is it feasible for future regulations to ban merchants from accepting coins from a specific address? This means also banning bitcoin mixers from doing the same.

No regulations please.

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