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Topic: A Theory of Everything and The Truth About God - page 2. (Read 2439 times)

legendary
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The whole thing boils down to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musean_hypernumber

Basically it means an attempt to make the number spaces R, C, Q, O compatible.
Complex number: 1 + i2 = 0
Quaternion: 1 + i2 +j2 + k2 = 0
Octonion: 1 + i2 +j2 + k2 + l2 + m2 + n2 + o2 = 0

Problem is the thing isn't established in math at all an generally viewed as esoteric mumbo-jumbo since nobody has demonstrated that it works outside such brain-fucks as "proving god".
As usual when you research these things and follow them to their origin not much remains from the initial fascination.

You know your math very well. Thanks for all this reading material. Smiley

I haven't really, I'm not in academia either, although I aim to, some day.

There also is this guy: https://www.youtube.com/user/sweetser
He attempted to actually do the things these guys just dream about, albeit he had a recent setback in his work I still enjoy his videos.

What was the setback? Is there something demonstrably wrong about Hypernumbers?

He used hypercomplex numbers which is a different approach. He predicted that there will be no higgs particle and nothing like it but that didn't actually work out. (Unless Cern faked their results)
That wasn't the reason for the setback though, I don't understand it enough to be able to explain it to you.

You can always watch the videos and try to explain it to me if you like however Wink
newbie
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The whole thing boils down to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musean_hypernumber

Basically it means an attempt to make the number spaces R, C, Q, O compatible.
Complex number: 1 + i2 = 0
Quaternion: 1 + i2 +j2 + k2 = 0
Octonion: 1 + i2 +j2 + k2 + l2 + m2 + n2 + o2 = 0

Problem is the thing isn't established in math at all an generally viewed as esoteric mumbo-jumbo since nobody has demonstrated that it works outside such brain-fucks as "proving god".
As usual when you research these things and follow them to their origin not much remains from the initial fascination.

You know your math very well. Thanks for all this reading material. Smiley

I haven't really, I'm not in academia either, although I aim to, some day.

There also is this guy: https://www.youtube.com/user/sweetser
He attempted to actually do the things these guys just dream about, albeit he had a recent setback in his work I still enjoy his videos.

What was the setback? Is there something demonstrably wrong about Hypernumbers?
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1057
Marketing manager - GO MP
The whole thing boils down to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musean_hypernumber

Basically it means an attempt to make the number spaces R, C, Q, O compatible.
Complex number: 1 + i2 = 0
Quaternion: 1 + i2 +j2 + k2 = 0
Octonion: 1 + i2 +j2 + k2 + l2 + m2 + n2 + o2 = 0

Problem is the thing isn't established in math at all an generally viewed as esoteric mumbo-jumbo since nobody has demonstrated that it works outside such brain-fucks as "proving god".
As usual when you research these things and follow them to their origin not much remains from the initial fascination.

You know your math very well. Thanks for all this reading material. Smiley

I haven't really, I'm not in academia either, although I aim to, some day.

There also is this guy: https://www.youtube.com/user/sweetser
He attempted to actually do the things these guys just dream about, albeit he had a recent setback in his work I still enjoy his videos.
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
The whole thing boils down to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musean_hypernumber

Basically it means an attempt to make the number spaces R, C, Q, O compatible.
Complex number: 1 + i2 = 0
Quaternion: 1 + i2 +j2 + k2 = 0
Octonion: 1 + i2 +j2 + k2 + l2 + m2 + n2 + o2 = 0

Problem is the thing isn't established in math at all an generally viewed as esoteric mumbo-jumbo since nobody has demonstrated that it works outside such brain-fucks as "proving god".
As usual when you research these things and follow them to their origin not much remains from the initial fascination.

You know your math very well. Thanks for all this reading material. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1057
Marketing manager - GO MP
The whole thing boils down to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musean_hypernumber

Basically it means an attempt to make the number spaces R, C, Q, O compatible.
Complex number: 1 + i2 = 0
Quaternion: 1 + i2 +j2 + k2 = 0
Octonion: 1 + i2 +j2 + k2 + l2 + m2 + n2 + o2 = 0

Since it is proven that only those four normed division algebras exist (don't ask me how) it can be conjectured that the whole universe can be described using just them.

Problem is the thing isn't established in math at all an generally viewed as esoteric mumbo-jumbo since nobody has demonstrated that it works outside such brain-fucks as "proving god".
As usual when you research these things and follow them to their origin not much remains from the initial fascination.
newbie
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Merit: 0
If the universe started with a single consciousness, logically, we would be parts of that consciousness. Some say that would make us god himself.

This is has been recognized in the esoteric parts of Kabbalistic Judaism for awhile now but telling the people that they are indeed god himself will not work out so well for people in power. It may demonstrate what true equality actually is.
hero member
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I see a trend for the concept of a "creator" getting more and more abstract. If this continues it is inevitable that the existence of a "creator" (for sufficiently vague definitions of creator) will be proved.

However, the proof of this creator will not have been contributed to by people who just feel a creator or spirit energy or whatever is true and then accept it.

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He didn't completely buy into it before his death, but now he does because he IS spirit energy, and I can hear him. He said that when you complete your theory, that you will be the one to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a creator.

It sounds like this lady just thought of some things (what would my passed away brother want) and now believes them to be true.
hero member
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While the theory itself is not complete yet...
That's an understatement! In the video, Garrett Lisi himself says "This theory, and others like it, are long shots".

So maybe don't put too much energy into fantastical extrapolations just yet!

I agree, from the linear rational perspective there are still many uncertainties and details that need to be worked out, but after digging a little bit deeper into the topic I found a few interesting things which link this E8 theory to the idea of God.

Firstly, I found a conversation between Garrett LIsi and a few other physicists at the link below
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/627
where they discuss certain aspects of the theory in spring 2010 and then two years later in spring 2012 there was a message from a relative of one of the physicists stating that he had passed away and that's where it gets interesting. Below is the full message (bold emphasis is mine):
Some would argue the omni-presence never took a first step and that the universe is truly infinite in all directions.

Of course human comprehension is limited in this degree. Just imagine infinity equaling zero.



Maybe the Universe is in the superposition of "static omni-presence" and "taking a first step"  Grin

Just imagine infinity equaling zero.



Wow, how complex and intricate the geometric pattern must be for one single particle to look like the mess above  Shocked

The only philosopical question in live is:" should I commit suicide or not".Anything else doesnt make sense.


Death might be considered an abrupt change in frequency, but you won't cease to exist. Remember that you are here because you wanted to be here! So if you still find yourself physical then there must be some themes you wanted to explore in this reality or you wouldn't be here to begin with. So keep searching for patterns Smiley

PS: You might wanna watch this...

The Four Laws Of Creation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcq5tcOzito
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The only philosopical question in live is:" should I commit suicide or not".Anything else doesnt make sense.
hero member
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
Just imagine infinity equaling zero.

newbie
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Some would argue the omni-presence never took a first step and that the universe is truly infinite in all directions.

Of course human comprehension is limited in this degree. Just imagine infinity equaling zero.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Hyperbola_one_over_x.svg/500px-Hyperbola_one_over_x.svg.png
hero member
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I've recently come across a nice presentation by Garrett Lisi suggesting that the whole "zoo" of particles and their interactions observable in modern particle physics can be described by a pure mathematical object called "exceptional simple Lie group E8".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V74NBEYq3tw

While the theory itself is not complete yet, the implications of what is being suggested are profound. It means that the structure of physical reality isn't just a set of arbitrary rules but rather a result of a beautiful mathematical process, which in turn reinforces the idea of physical reality being a result of consciousness itself (this wasn't mentioned in the video, but rather an extrapolation on my part).

So it seems that consciousness builds structures based on math and logic or otherwise they wouldn't hold. It also seems that it attempts to find all structures that can possibly exist so that it doesn't miss anything interesting Smiley and this is why in many spiritual teachings God is referred to as All That Is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdJ5AlxYZV0

The process of how everything started can also be described by what is called a Sacred Geometry, which is simply a set of rules on how to build structures from very simple constructs like dot, line, circle, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx31y1KKK3E

As the video above explains, in the beginning there was consciousness (they call it Spirit of God) and the void because the consciousness hasn't manifested anything yet. The consciousness had two options: either stay in this static omni-presence indefinitely or take a first step. Eventually consciousness would start creating and since there was nothing to measure time before the first step, time didn't exist either.

If we follow the process of building structures from the start we will see at some point that there are multiple ways how to proceed forward, this is where consciousness needs to split to take on multiple paths simultaneously. I personally believe, that this feature of creation process gives rise to multiple "you"s and multiple parallel timelines even though we all still derive from that one consciousness that started the process. So "you" exist because the overall consciousness needed to split at some point to explore a certain path in creation. Below is a good channeling on the topic (I like the autotune version better):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wM3doxMJ6s

PS:
For those of you who are searching for patterns Smiley compare the content of Garrett Lisi's video at the top at around 11:30 with the content of the video below at around 30:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN930nRm8No

And if you were patient enough to get to the bottom of it, here is a gift for you with some nice music and beautiful imagery:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuUb4EkVDuY
Enjoy!
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