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Topic: A vaccine too early could be dangerous. (Read 451 times)

legendary
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September 30, 2020, 01:43:00 PM
#33
"It can be dangerous to start vaccinating millions... of people too early because it could pretty much kill the acceptance of vaccination if it goes wrong," Jens Spahn told local media.
This is the point that nails it down for me. It's most likely that the world is compiting on the race to producing the vaccine that would be effective on the Covid19 pandemic and care little on the effect it would have on people. After all, innocent people get caught in a cross fire and it would be considered collateral damage they would think.
I'm sure it's much more complicated than that, following the fact that a lot too late is dangerous as to spread and a lot too early on vaccine distribution could later result in some undesirable side effects.
But then, what's the point in having procedures and not follow them?
The war on vaccination either it should or shouldn't be administered has been an issue of controversy and if a step goes wrong in this, the gate of vaccine administration would just be sealed.
So, it's best played down principles be followed cautiously else, why have them?!
legendary
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September 11, 2020, 01:01:22 PM
#32
AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine Trial stopped because one of 30000 testers on which they plan to test their vaccine got some strange conditions. Apparently that is quite normal. But still it will delay them making vaccine for weeks. EU already ordered 400 million dosses from them months ago.
legendary
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September 10, 2020, 04:48:42 PM
#31
Let me correct that for you (OP).


All vaccines too early could be are dangerous.


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September 10, 2020, 01:27:43 PM
#30
Yes, researchers will discover the vaccine through various experiments people with low immunity can be at high risk. This is the situation when we have made everything free. Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison was asked by reporters how long the lockdown would last. Vaccines can cure diseases while the vaccine is dangerous it can protect against the epidemic in that case the vaccine will be given according to the tolerable capacity of the human body.
legendary
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September 09, 2020, 06:04:34 PM
#29
If the vaccine developers were honorable, they would test the finished product on themselves.

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September 09, 2020, 06:00:34 PM
#28
You build long term immunity with memory "T" cells, antibodies are just one way that the body fights viruses and diseases, and they are short lived. Also, they seem to be developed using synthetic low impact viruses, and not the real thing that is out in the wild. Successful testing seems to mean that they create antibodies, but they don't seem to test those against real infections to see if they really work, or if they will generate cytokine storms. You know that vaccines are not the "real deal" because they need adjuvants to help them to do their dirty work, and these adjuvants can create serious side effects.

Fresh air, sunshine, a health diet, keeping hydrated, and getting exercise improve the quality of your life, and they are a far better option than hoping that a vaccine will provide an alternative, and not cripple you.

Also we don't know any success rate yet for vaccines. Do they really provide a 100% immunity against corona? And will this immunity last for a long time? If you would have to vaccine every 6 months just to refresh the immunity, this would be very expensive and not effective.

I think a vaccine is mostly important for high risk patients with prior conditions and elderly people. For the younger geverations a vaccine is not so important because most corona cases just have mild symptoms.

We can't answer about the potency of their vaccine this early. It needs time to determine their effectiveness. I don't know how in the lab can determine the duration of the effectiveness of a certain vaccine. Not really familiar with their testings. But every 6 months, to get a shot is quite expensive. Maybe they are just doing this for precaution but this is not affordable to ordinary people. Maybe there will be other vaccines that have better potency.
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September 05, 2020, 08:18:50 AM
#27
You build long term immunity with memory "T" cells, antibodies are just one way that the body fights viruses and diseases, and they are short lived. Also, they seem to be developed using synthetic low impact viruses, and not the real thing that is out in the wild. Successful testing seems to mean that they create antibodies, but they don't seem to test those against real infections to see if they really work, or if they will generate cytokine storms. You know that vaccines are not the "real deal" because they need adjuvants to help them to do their dirty work, and these adjuvants can create serious side effects.

Fresh air, sunshine, a health diet, keeping hydrated, and getting exercise improve the quality of your life, and they are a far better option than hoping that a vaccine will provide an alternative, and not cripple you.

Also we don't know any success rate yet for vaccines. Do they really provide a 100% immunity against corona? And will this immunity last for a long time? If you would have to vaccine every 6 months just to refresh the immunity, this would be very expensive and not effective.

I think a vaccine is mostly important for high risk patients with prior conditions and elderly people. For the younger geverations a vaccine is not so important because most corona cases just have mild symptoms.
legendary
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September 05, 2020, 04:32:58 AM
#26
Not how vaccines work. You create antibodies as a part of your adaptive immune system by B cells in response to antigens. Vaccines are an identical copy to this method. They introduce an antigen and your body recognizes it and builds up immunity.

There is nothing in this processes that modifies the immune system.
I know how vaccines works, like the Russian vaccine was an extract from the Adenovirus, it was a successful test, but for now. But, humans will only deceive themselves, the real part they need to focus on, they did not. Prevention is always better than cure. Why the world is not focusing on the people in a way all will be employed to get the kind of life they want, so that they can leave a healthy life they want, healthy life style is a way to improving us. We are going more into bioengineering. No matter what humans do, it can not be like natural ones. Education, safety measures and healthy lifestyles can help against this virus. Not that I really against the vaccines, but the world need to wake up and see their ignorant parts.
Have you checked the link below before?

The Fat Emperor discusses the evolution of the human diet.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54957827

Even, with little modification of diet, things are not like of the old.

Instead of the Scientists manipulating our immune system, they should let natural ways to be first remedy. Because, no matter what, natural remedies will be the best. While vaccination should only be a mild alternative.
legendary
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September 05, 2020, 04:14:14 AM
#25
You build long term immunity with memory "T" cells, antibodies are just one way that the body fights viruses and diseases, and they are short lived. Also, they seem to be developed using synthetic low impact viruses, and not the real thing that is out in the wild. Successful testing seems to mean that they create antibodies, but they don't seem to test those against real infections to see if they really work, or if they will generate cytokine storms. You know that vaccines are not the "real deal" because they need adjuvants to help them to do their dirty work, and these adjuvants can create serious side effects.

Fresh air, sunshine, a health diet, keeping hydrated, and getting exercise improve the quality of your life, and they are a far better option than hoping that a vaccine will provide an alternative, and not cripple you.
legendary
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September 05, 2020, 03:54:34 AM
#24
Vacinnes are a way of modifying human immunity in a way very possible to weaken the immunity in the future, I believe people should focus on ways to use natural remedy to extinct the virus, normally, if people follow the normal safety measures by using face mask and hand sanitizers, eating healthy, exercising, practicing healthy lifestyles and the likes will help. Their could be a time all vaccines may have side effects, it chould be long-term effect.

Not how vaccines work. You create antibodies as a part of your adaptive immune system by B cells in response to antigens. Vaccines are an identical copy to this method. They introduce an antigen and your body recognizes it and builds up immunity.

There is nothing in this processes that modifies the immune system.
legendary
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September 05, 2020, 03:44:14 AM
#23
There are several reasons. It is apparent that there will never be a vaccine that can cope with the virus mutations, so all that research is a waste of resources and public money. The worries come from the fact that vaccines create cripple, and long term health problems, and those people will be a burden on society. Of course they will be a source of profit for the money Pharmers, and this is why they do it. My other concern is that they may make vaccines mandatory, and thus create a dependence  on synthetic and unnatural immune systems. This will allow the banking elite to control the life span of citizens. Covid is a really minor infection, and as evidence of this, the UK is dismantling the nightingale hospitals, and this is despite the fud about a second dramatic wave that will destroy humanity.
Vacinnes are a way of modifying human immunity in a way very possible to weaken the immunity in the future, I believe people should focus on ways to use natural remedy to extinct the virus, normally, if people follow the normal safety measures by using face mask and hand sanitizers, eating healthy, exercising, practicing healthy lifestyles and the likes will help. Their could be a time all vaccines may have side effects, it chould be long-term effect.
legendary
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August 19, 2020, 12:25:24 AM
#22
heres another funny thing
if russia say mass(3k people) panic and pointy fingers of how thats bad to do 3k

if america do mass(30k) aww its ok they good boys' let them do it
But of course, it's obviously because the Russians have a trust issue globally. You wouldn't trust a lion with your goat, would you? It's same with asking people to queue up for a vaccine put out by the Chinese on this too. Both countries have a big question mark on them while the US is seen as a saint country because it's a huge democracy.
legendary
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August 17, 2020, 01:52:14 PM
#21
Why can't they develop more vaccines to cure the side effects of the first one?

Check out the links at the site, below. Check out the table near the bottom of the site.


Read the Fine Print, Part Two--Nearly 400 Adverse Reactions Listed in Vaccine...



Package inserts are available online for all vaccines licensed in the U.S. In addition to containing bits of practical information for the clinicians who administer the vaccines, the inserts provide members of the public with one of their only opportunities to learn about a vaccine's contraindications, warnings, precautions and—perhaps most importantly—potential adverse reactions.

The inserts communicate the information about adverse reactions in two distinct sections: "Clinical trials experience" (Section 6.1) and "Data from postmarketing experience" from the U.S. or other countries (Section 6.2). In April, 2020, Children's Health Defense summarized the postmarketing data for over three dozen vaccines given routinely to American infants, children and adolescents. That tally showed that vaccines touted for the prevention of 13 illnesses (Table 1) have been linked to at least 217 adverse medical outcomes reported post-licensure, including serious infections, autoimmune conditions, life-threatening allergies and death.

As noted in April, the postmarketing list is far from exhaustive, because manufacturers have the latitude to decide which outcomes to list in the inserts—using loose criteria determined by severity, frequency of reporting and "strength of evidence for a causal relationship." In addition, vaccine adverse events are notoriously underreported, not least because medical schools do not teach doctors to recognize vaccine injuries. But what would the picture look like if the adverse reactions observed during clinical trials were also added to the list?


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legendary
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August 16, 2020, 07:52:39 AM
#20
wait
wasnt jetcash the one saying that people must be immune if they had previously got sick from sars/mers years ago.. thus debunking himself by now confessing that when viruses mutate and are no longer the exact strain of sars/mers that people are not protected

wasnt jetcash the one saying people wont get sick so there is no harm. even now by trying to incite that rhetoric in connection with nightingales
is he that ignorant of the multi organ issues


the dismantling of the nightingale is because the nightingale was only set up with oxygen therapy. its now known (since february's plans are now defunct) that covid puts a strain on multiple organs for those needing hospital care and other treatments to care for the multiple organs are needed which is where proper hospital care is needed.

this means that because nightingale is defunct. it will mean we are again relying on purely hospital beds again meaning we dont have excess beds as a backup meaning that a sharp rise in cases needing hospital care will over run the hospital system again. thus requiring to need to slow down the spread
legendary
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August 16, 2020, 05:10:05 AM
#19
There is not a good reason to worry a coronavirus vaccine

There are several reasons. It is apparent that there will never be a vaccine that can cope with the virus mutations, so all that research is a waste of resources and public money. The worries come from the fact that vaccines create cripple, and long term health problems, and those people will be a burden on society. Of course they will be a source of profit for the money Pharmers, and this is why they do it. My other concern is that they may make vaccines mandatory, and thus create a dependence  on synthetic and unnatural immune systems. This will allow the banking elite to control the life span of citizens. Covid is a really minor infection, and as evidence of this, the UK is dismantling the nightingale hospitals, and this is despite the fud about a second dramatic wave that will destroy humanity.
legendary
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August 15, 2020, 02:29:27 PM
#18
If your president is stupid enough to try an untested and rushed vaccine, then you need to get rid of him.
Especially as he probably has natural immunity already

There should be no rush in adopting the vaccine. If the vaccine is announced, many people will inject it to be safe from covid 19 and if it has side effects, that could be more worse than the virus itself.
Also there should no competition among the countries to score the points by announcing that they have developed the vaccine first. Vaccine should not be treated as a show stopper.
member
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August 15, 2020, 02:16:03 PM
#17
In fact, it could be very dangerous as UNICEF warned in a recent statement that children across South Asia in the Corona situation could face another health emergency if they do not receive life-saving vaccines. About 98 percent of these children live in India Pakistan and Afghanistan. The lockdown that has been effective against Covid-19 is severely hampering the regular immunization activities of children. If it has some side effects then there is a risk of liver cirrhosis and liver cancer from chronic hepatitis.
hero member
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August 14, 2020, 10:12:00 AM
#16

Yeah, we both know he isn't going to do that though. I remember watching the presidential debates and when asked about what he would do to stop China from occupying Filipino islands in the Spratlys, he said he would take a speedboat out there, plant a Philippines flag in the middle of the island, and let the Chinese do with him what they will. Meanwhile, he's rolled over to China and given up the fight for Filipino sovereignty of the Spratlys near completely.

It's not a criticism of him in that regard so much as pointing out that in many ways he is just another politician who makes promises that won't be kept.

Remember what happened with the Dengue fever vaccine in the Philippines as well, its a cautionary tale about why vaccines shouldn't be rushed out for use without fully understanding their potential side effects:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/05/03/719037789/botched-vaccine-launch-has-deadly-repercussions


I don't really think that I'm gonna get that vaccine anyway because I live in some part of the country where people don't even know what Computer is, literally. If something bad would happen to the others after getting vaccinated, I would be watching them from the distance can't do anything about it. That's right, most of the children who got vaccinated of the Dengue fever last time got some complicated desease which leads to some of them to death. Now this is another thing though the president now is different from the last time, there will be a possibility that the history will be repeated.
legendary
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August 14, 2020, 09:14:31 AM
#15
Two things either they will lose their reputation if there is a side effect on their vaccine because of not enough time of giving the vaccine to take full effect or the world will praise them as the first country to create a safe effective vaccine for CoVid, of course, they have taken all consideration and they want to choose the latter but they seems to be so sure about its effectiveness so let's see they will start manufacturing I believe in October.
legendary
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August 14, 2020, 08:57:25 AM
#14
I'm by no means an "anti-vaxxer", but I've never had a flu shot, and I won't be getting the covid vaccine either.

Be prepared to be called an anti-vax right wing nut job for the fact you won't be getting injected by a shady vaccine that was developed by some drunk Russians.
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