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Topic: A way to generate BTC for free? (Read 1221 times)

newbie
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May 20, 2013, 07:02:55 AM
#26
As has been stated before, if this was possible then crypto currency would be dead on arrival.
newbie
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May 20, 2013, 06:39:41 AM
#25
If this would work, Bitcoin would be dead already
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
May 20, 2013, 06:26:04 AM
#24
Perhaps there could be some way for clients to periodically verify ownership of the transactions associated with their key, if there's no verification for a significant period (several years?) the funds get released back into the potential mining pool. I don't know how difficult this would be to code.

It's going to become a real issue at some point in the future, where minting new coins is near impractical. The rate of permanent loss will exceed generation.
Defenitely no, paper wallets cannot prove ownership.
Also it's not going to be a problem, the only thing that will happen is that you trade in smaller Bitcoin units, if too much coins are lost.
sr. member
Activity: 404
Merit: 250
May 20, 2013, 02:54:49 AM
#23
Talking about "free" bitcoins. What happens with bitcoins that have been earned but the wallet is deleted afterwards? The bitcoins stay in the blockchain but nobody can access them anymore because the keys are gone?

I wonder how much capital is floating in the chain without real owners?

Perhaps there could be some way for clients to periodically verify ownership of the transactions associated with their key, if there's no verification for a significant period (several years?) the funds get released back into the potential mining pool. I don't know how difficult this would be to code.

It's going to become a real issue at some point in the future, where minting new coins is near impractical. The rate of permanent loss will exceed generation.

This is something I have wondered too. What happens to all those BTC that people have in wallets with lost passwords or deleted wallet.dat files, etc? The trouble with releasing BTC that have no verification for a "significant period" is that those BTC may not be unclaimed but just in cold storage or some other long term storage and not really be lost. Interesting point though.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1092
May 20, 2013, 02:29:09 AM
#22
Talking about "free" bitcoins. What happens with bitcoins that have been earned but the wallet is deleted afterwards? The bitcoins stay in the blockchain but nobody can access them anymore because the keys are gone?

I wonder how much capital is floating in the chain without real owners?

Perhaps there could be some way for clients to periodically verify ownership of the transactions associated with their key, if there's no verification for a significant period (several years?) the funds get released back into the potential mining pool. I don't know how difficult this would be to code.

It's going to become a real issue at some point in the future, where minting new coins is near impractical. The rate of permanent loss will exceed generation.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
May 20, 2013, 01:56:35 AM
#21
Talking about "free" bitcoins. What happens with bitcoins that have been earned but the wallet is deleted afterwards? The bitcoins stay in the blockchain but nobody can access them anymore because the keys are gone?

I wonder how much capital is floating in the chain without real owners?
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 501
There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.
May 20, 2013, 01:21:21 AM
#20
While it certainly is possible to drive a car or use Bitcoin without any understanding whatsoever about how stuff works, it is not recommended. Sooner or later, it will hurt.
member
Activity: 72
Merit: 10
May 20, 2013, 01:04:00 AM
#19
Not 100% certain, but the transaction would be calculated in the next block pretty much after the 1btc is sent. Although the wallet shows 10btc, once it loads the data from the block chain, it would deduct the 1btc as it belongs to someone else now so its unconfirmed btc.
newbie
Activity: 9
Merit: 0
May 19, 2013, 10:58:30 PM
#18
To be a double spend he would need to send the same bitcoin on two different transactions.

That's what he tried to accomplish, right?
newbie
Activity: 27
Merit: 0
May 19, 2013, 07:39:28 PM
#17
No the 1BTC would be spent. All the transactions are in a public database called the blockchain. Your wallet.dat only contains some bitcoin address with the corresponding private key. The private key let you sign a transaction and once it's been broadcast to the Bitcoin network then it's too late... The bitcoin has been spent.

Was wondering how this was overcome. Thanks for the education.
vip
Activity: 756
Merit: 503
May 19, 2013, 07:32:40 PM
#16
To be a double spend he would need to send the same bitcoin on two different transactions.
newbie
Activity: 9
Merit: 0
May 19, 2013, 07:30:04 PM
#15
Hello,
I was thinking about this. So what if you were to make a copy of your wallet with 10 BTC in it and save it to a USB. Then you send 1 BTC to someone else's wallet. The copy of your wallet shows it as having 10BTC so if you were to put it on another computer and use it as the wallet.dat file, wouldn't that account still have 10 BTC even though you just sent 1 BTC to someone so if you did this in between three computers, you could generate free BTC?

That's called double-spending and does not work within Bitcoin, which is actually one of the reasons why it's suitable as a digital cash:
- https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Double-spending
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
May 19, 2013, 04:18:31 AM
#14
*delete this post*
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
May 19, 2013, 04:02:36 AM
#13
As the others have said, this way doesn't generate you free BTC.

If you want to get some BTC without mining take a look at bitvisitor.com or coinofmidas.com (those are the best ways I have found).
hero member
Activity: 873
Merit: 1007
May 19, 2013, 01:57:52 AM
#12
Your keys also get updated when a send transaction occurs since when you send out coins the standard bitcoin-qt wallet send coins back to you.  The coins are not located inside the actual wallet file, just the keys.  Somebody gets your keys it's like getting the keys to your car...
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
May 19, 2013, 12:21:32 AM
#11
By prostituting yourself.
newbie
Activity: 9
Merit: 0
May 19, 2013, 12:11:51 AM
#10
Yeah the first reply was pretty much spot on.
No need for my input!
b!z
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1010
May 18, 2013, 10:02:03 PM
#9
The blockchain holds your coins; not your wallet. The wallet only contains keys to access your coins.
sr. member
Activity: 283
Merit: 250
May 18, 2013, 09:54:09 PM
#8
1000 percent sure this will not work.
member
Activity: 174
Merit: 10
May 18, 2013, 09:53:26 PM
#7
Your wallet never holds your coins, just the keys to them.

The blockchain tells how many coins you have, the one thousands of people have copies of and what the collective mining power controls, you cannot modify that easily at all.

Your wallet may say different to what you really have, that is just because you wallet it out of sync with the network, once it syncs, it will reflect what it really is
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