Wall comes in, wall comes out.
Never a miscommunication.
You can't explain that.
Never a miscommunication.
You can't explain that.
Here's one in that traditional 5-7-5 format:
Manipulator
Building and destroying walls
Place all bets with care
Topic: "Aaaaaaand the waaaallllls... (Read 6331 times)
Here's one in that traditional 5-7-5 format:
Manipulator
Building and destroying walls
Place all bets with care
Wall comes in, wall comes out.
Never a miscommunication.
You can't explain that.
Never a miscommunication.
You can't explain that.
the walls will come the walls will go
where bitcoin goes our actions show
where bitcoin goes our actions show
- St. Flow
the walls will come the walls will go
where bitcoin goes our actions show
where bitcoin goes our actions show
"Aaaaaaand the waaaallllls..."
...are building. Pushing back down.
...are building. Pushing back down.
Yep, turkey's not gonna be the centerpiece of this thanksgiving for me...
If there was more activity I would be more optimistic. I expected more of a spike, but it isn't happening and people are gonna get nervous soon. I'm also expecting a lot of those walls to drop when the price gets closer, in anticipation of new lows and lower buy ins.
The spike you're talking about just happened. 
If there was more activity I would be more optimistic. I expected more of a spike, but it isn't happening and people are gonna get nervous soon. I'm also expecting a lot of those walls to drop when the price gets closer, in anticipation of new lows and lower buy ins.
An update. There are now 135 000 BTC supporting $2. I have never seen anything like this and I believe there have never been such walls in the history of BTC trading. Not that it proves anything, but I feel it does matter.
On the other hand, walls of the sellers have shrunk. There is only around $85 000 worth of BTC from the current price to $2.8. For comparison, the bid walls supporting $2 are worth approximately $285 000.
The selling pressure required to sell into those walls and to pressure the fake walls to disappear is so massive at this point that it feels almost like an impossible challenge. Especially taking into account that most traders are probably holding more USD than BTC at the moment. I would bet my net worth that there are more USD on the sidelines waiting to buy, than there are BTC waiting to sell. We don't really have a way to find out, but anyway.
Triple bottom, anyone?
On the other hand, walls of the sellers have shrunk. There is only around $85 000 worth of BTC from the current price to $2.8. For comparison, the bid walls supporting $2 are worth approximately $285 000.
The selling pressure required to sell into those walls and to pressure the fake walls to disappear is so massive at this point that it feels almost like an impossible challenge. Especially taking into account that most traders are probably holding more USD than BTC at the moment. I would bet my net worth that there are more USD on the sidelines waiting to buy, than there are BTC waiting to sell. We don't really have a way to find out, but anyway.
Triple bottom, anyone?
Personally I'm expecting an incredible Thanksgiving show.
An update. There are now 135 000 BTC supporting $2. I have never seen anything like this and I believe there have never been such walls in the history of BTC trading. Not that it proves anything, but I feel it does matter.
On the other hand, walls of the sellers have shrunk. There is only around $85 000 worth of BTC from the current price to $2.8. For comparison, the bid walls supporting $2 are worth approximately $285 000.
The selling pressure required to sell into those walls and to pressure the fake walls to disappear is so massive at this point that it feels almost like an impossible challenge. Especially taking into account that most traders are probably holding more USD than BTC at the moment. I would bet my net worth that there are more USD on the sidelines waiting to buy, than there are BTC waiting to sell. We don't really have a way to find out, but anyway.
Triple bottom, anyone?
On the other hand, walls of the sellers have shrunk. There is only around $85 000 worth of BTC from the current price to $2.8. For comparison, the bid walls supporting $2 are worth approximately $285 000.
The selling pressure required to sell into those walls and to pressure the fake walls to disappear is so massive at this point that it feels almost like an impossible challenge. Especially taking into account that most traders are probably holding more USD than BTC at the moment. I would bet my net worth that there are more USD on the sidelines waiting to buy, than there are BTC waiting to sell. We don't really have a way to find out, but anyway.
Triple bottom, anyone?
Whatever the motives, there are now 126 000 BTC in the bid walls supporting $2. That's a massive amount, there are only a few people in the world who could single handedly sell through those walls. Not that I think the walls are legit, probably most of them aren't. But even if some are, it's a tough challenge for the sellers.
I'm fairly bullish right now and I'm starting to think that there's maybe a 60% chance that we did hit triple bottom and we will not see $1.x anymore. This makes the current price an excellent re-entry point for whatever strategy, mine happens to be of the very-long kind.
However I still think that it's smart to have a fallback strategy in case a crash to $1.5 is imminent.
I'm fairly bullish right now and I'm starting to think that there's maybe a 60% chance that we did hit triple bottom and we will not see $1.x anymore. This makes the current price an excellent re-entry point for whatever strategy, mine happens to be of the very-long kind.
However I still think that it's smart to have a fallback strategy in case a crash to $1.5 is imminent.
It's pretty difficult to understand their true motives. I've been trying hard to understand the psychological games they are playing.
The bullish manipulator wants price increases so he can ultimately SELL high.
He puts up bid walls, sells, then pulls his walls and causes panic to buy back lower.
Meaning he is actually a bear in bulls clothing.
The bearish manipulator wants price decreases so he can ultimately BUY low.
He buys a little, puts up ask walls, sells then drives the price down, and buys in again at a cheaper rate.
He is likely in fact to be a bull at heart.
And then again, it could be just as likely that NEITHER of them care one way or the other about the long term direction bitcoin will take, and instead are doing this solely for fiat profit, slowly sucking market capital away while retaining their existing bitcoin holdings.
It's so damn confusing.
The bullish manipulator wants price increases so he can ultimately SELL high.
He puts up bid walls, sells, then pulls his walls and causes panic to buy back lower.
Meaning he is actually a bear in bulls clothing.
The bearish manipulator wants price decreases so he can ultimately BUY low.
He buys a little, puts up ask walls, sells then drives the price down, and buys in again at a cheaper rate.
He is likely in fact to be a bull at heart.
And then again, it could be just as likely that NEITHER of them care one way or the other about the long term direction bitcoin will take, and instead are doing this solely for fiat profit, slowly sucking market capital away while retaining their existing bitcoin holdings.
It's so damn confusing.
I have ZERO doubt that there are a few rather large players at work here. But, I think there is only one person/group/entity that has nearly bottomless pockets/wallets that can place 50k+ walls on either side or both, as we have seen a few months ago.
Anyway, I try not to worry too much about the manipulators' pathetic games because I am of the opinion that the long term movements will occur independently of what they do. Smaller traders just need to have balls of steel right now, bears and bulls alike, because large upwards movements spook the bears and large downwards movements leave the bulls paralyzed. And these large movements can be achieved easily at the moment. This will change over time as bitcoin becomes more widely adopted and coins are distributed more evenly among market participants.
Absolutely! I was just showing the balance. We may actually be at an equilibrium. The price remains fairly stable... for now!
Anyway, I try not to worry too much about the manipulators' pathetic games because I am of the opinion that the long term movements will occur independently of what they do. Smaller traders just need to have balls of steel right now, bears and bulls alike, because large upwards movements spook the bears and large downwards movements leave the bulls paralyzed. And these large movements can be achieved easily at the moment. This will change over time as bitcoin becomes more widely adopted and coins are distributed more evenly among market participants.
Absolutely! I was just showing the balance. We may actually be at an equilibrium. The price remains fairly stable... for now!
Its a lot of fun seeing one manipulator raise bid walls when they want to get rid of coins and the other manipulator raise the ask wall simaltaneous as to say f**k you lol. Definitely more than one big player at work for anyone watching MTGox live. Either that or one really dumb big player.
I have ZERO doubt that there are a few rather large players at work here. But, I think there is only one person/group/entity that has nearly bottomless pockets/wallets that can place 50k+ walls on either side or both, as we have seen a few months ago.
Anyway, I try not to worry too much about the manipulators' pathetic games because I am of the opinion that the long term movements will occur independently of what they do. Smaller traders just need to have balls of steel right now, bears and bulls alike, because large upwards movements spook the bears and large downwards movements leave the bulls paralyzed. And these large movements can be achieved easily at the moment. This will change over time as bitcoin becomes more widely adopted and coins are distributed more evenly among market participants.
Absolutely! I was just showing the balance. We may actually be at an equilibrium. The price remains fairly stable... for now!
Anyway, I try not to worry too much about the manipulators' pathetic games because I am of the opinion that the long term movements will occur independently of what they do. Smaller traders just need to have balls of steel right now, bears and bulls alike, because large upwards movements spook the bears and large downwards movements leave the bulls paralyzed. And these large movements can be achieved easily at the moment. This will change over time as bitcoin becomes more widely adopted and coins are distributed more evenly among market participants.
Absolutely! I was just showing the balance. We may actually be at an equilibrium. The price remains fairly stable... for now!
I would agree. It is unlikely to be due to cumulative market actions, as the walls disappear and reappear too quickly and neatly in their new positions for it to be caused by smaller individual traders.
The existence of a bearish manipulator is often not considered though. I think it is a huge oversight to dismiss this possibility, because that would mean that some of the downward movements could well be due to bearish manipulation and a desire to buy coins more cheaply, in the same way that the bullish manipulator has a desire for price rises because he wants to sell higher.
Anyway, I try not to worry too much about the manipulators' pathetic games because I am of the opinion that the long term movements will occur independently of what they do. Smaller traders just need to have balls of steel right now, bears and bulls alike, because large upwards movements spook the bears and large downwards movements leave the bulls paralyzed. And these large movements can be achieved easily at the moment. This will change over time as bitcoin becomes more widely adopted and coins are distributed more evenly among market participants.
The existence of a bearish manipulator is often not considered though. I think it is a huge oversight to dismiss this possibility, because that would mean that some of the downward movements could well be due to bearish manipulation and a desire to buy coins more cheaply, in the same way that the bullish manipulator has a desire for price rises because he wants to sell higher.
Anyway, I try not to worry too much about the manipulators' pathetic games because I am of the opinion that the long term movements will occur independently of what they do. Smaller traders just need to have balls of steel right now, bears and bulls alike, because large upwards movements spook the bears and large downwards movements leave the bulls paralyzed. And these large movements can be achieved easily at the moment. This will change over time as bitcoin becomes more widely adopted and coins are distributed more evenly among market participants.
It is likely though that there is more than 1 manipulator in the game. There is at least one bearish manipulator and one bullish manipulator and they seem to be playing a high stakes tug-of-war game.
If you watch mtgoxlive when there are big movements, you can see large asks being pulled as the price rises in the same way that you see large bids being pulled when it falls. It could be the cumulative result of individual actors hoping for better prices though... but equally, that could explain some the bid-side 'manipulation' too.
If you watch mtgoxlive when there are big movements, you can see large asks being pulled as the price rises in the same way that you see large bids being pulled when it falls. It could be the cumulative result of individual actors hoping for better prices though... but equally, that could explain some the bid-side 'manipulation' too.
I noted earlier there appears to be more than one manipulator in the game right now and they are working against each other. As one would raise the bid walls, the other would raise the ask walls which gave us stability for quite some time. Of course this could be the collective movements of several people but with the size of the walls it at least appears to be a couple of big players.
It is likely though that there is more than 1 manipulator in the game. There is at least one bearish manipulator and one bullish manipulator and they seem to be playing a high stakes tug-of-war game.
If you watch mtgoxlive when there are big movements, you can see large asks being pulled as the price rises in the same way that you see large bids being pulled when it falls. It could be the cumulative result of individual actors hoping for better prices though... but equally, that could explain some the bid-side 'manipulation' too.
If you watch mtgoxlive when there are big movements, you can see large asks being pulled as the price rises in the same way that you see large bids being pulled when it falls. It could be the cumulative result of individual actors hoping for better prices though... but equally, that could explain some the bid-side 'manipulation' too.
Nope! Just the bid side! I feel he isn't trying to keep the price down at the moment. So, any ask walls of his are probably real.
I'd be willing to bet that a few of those ask walls also belong to manipulators. Did you cut those down at all or just leave them the way they were? (edit: nvm, just checked mtgoxlive. you left it alone). This could mean that the supply might be overrepresented too, meaning an even healthier overall situation.
I think this would actually be a halfway decent indicator of medium to long term price movement. Or at least as good as any of the technical indicators anyway. The manipulators are all about the short term swings. The long term movements will occur independent of what they do.
Maybe there could be a way to quantify the depth of any market manipulation by analyzing with some kind of bot the size of any walls that are actively moving as they are pulled and replaced. I think you might be on to something...
I think this would actually be a halfway decent indicator of medium to long term price movement. Or at least as good as any of the technical indicators anyway. The manipulators are all about the short term swings. The long term movements will occur independent of what they do.
Maybe there could be a way to quantify the depth of any market manipulation by analyzing with some kind of bot the size of any walls that are actively moving as they are pulled and replaced. I think you might be on to something...
Haha. I did something similar a few days ago to estimate non-manipulator demand.
It looks healthy enough to me to be honest.
Slightly higher demand than supply - would suggest a slow upwards creep.
It looks healthy enough to me to be honest.
Slightly higher demand than supply - would suggest a slow upwards creep.
That's what I was thinking too! Though, I have seen that this indicator doesn't hold up too well in this market.
It could however, explain the slight upward pressure we've been seeing today.
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