About 100 feared drowned after boat sinks off Libya

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Quote from: Okurkabinladin on January 22, 2017, 07:19:16 AM

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 19, 2017, 06:10:35 PM

I have to agree on this one, I believe it is betrayal.

ISIS is not a superpower 1000000 times stronger than its opposition
They have opponents who are equally strong
Fleeing your own country while its people get butchered, murdered, raped, tortured, bombed and shot while you, a grown male run to Sweden/Germany? I believe that is betrayal.

And we're even more stupid for accepting them and spending so much money to take them in instead of spending that money to arm them, and give them a fighting chance in order to save their people, not just them.
Not everyone is able to leave the country, and if everyone leaves, will ISIS be happy with that, or will it move on to another country?

Yeah, not 10000 times superior...
It's not like one side is trained by USA. Armed by Western weapon manufacturers. Financed by Western countries.
While the other side is backed by humanitarian organizations...

One side got tanks, the other fucking ak 47 from cold war...
Clearly a balanced fight, I really don't understand why they don't fight?
ESPECIALLY as Western countries are bombing them while attacking Isis because fuck the locals anyway...

You are both clearly missing the point. Syrians make up less than 30% of the migrants entering Europe. Syrians have no reason to enter Europe via boats from Lybia. These guys were from sub-saharan Africa. In fact vast majority of migrants are from sub-saharan Africa, Afghanistan or Kosovo.

Vast majority of them sunni muslim men aged 18-35.

Conflict in Syria is really just smoke screen for this continent wide bussiness in human trafficking.

Wtf are you saying?
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.REFG.OR?end=2014&start=2014&view=map

Please look a bit closer at where people come from...

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Quote from: philggg on January 22, 2017, 02:54:15 AM

it as been a recurrent event in Libya.a lot immigrants from Africa,Syria tried to cross to the sea to Europe and a lot of them get drown in the sea.majority of them are looking for greener pasture in Europe and some of them paid some agents who arrange boats for them to cross to Europe a lot of them are risking there lives

Yes.. Gaddhafi was preventing the immigrants from traveling to Europe. This was against the NATO's plan of creating a Eurabian Caliphate. So they toppled Gaddhafi, and made possible for millions of Sub-Saharans to immigrate to the Europe.

https://sputniknews.com/world/201509171027135147-gaddafi-libya-refugees-exodus-arab-spring/

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Quote from: craked5 on January 21, 2017, 01:41:39 PM

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 19, 2017, 06:10:35 PM

I have to agree on this one, I believe it is betrayal.

ISIS is not a superpower 1000000 times stronger than its opposition
They have opponents who are equally strong
Fleeing your own country while its people get butchered, murdered, raped, tortured, bombed and shot while you, a grown male run to Sweden/Germany? I believe that is betrayal.

And we're even more stupid for accepting them and spending so much money to take them in instead of spending that money to arm them, and give them a fighting chance in order to save their people, not just them.
Not everyone is able to leave the country, and if everyone leaves, will ISIS be happy with that, or will it move on to another country?

Yeah, not 10000 times superior...
It's not like one side is trained by USA. Armed by Western weapon manufacturers. Financed by Western countries.
While the other side is backed by humanitarian organizations...

One side got tanks, the other fucking ak 47 from cold war...
Clearly a balanced fight, I really don't understand why they don't fight?
ESPECIALLY as Western countries are bombing them while attacking Isis because fuck the locals anyway...

You are both clearly missing the point. Syrians make up less than 30% of the migrants entering Europe. Syrians have no reason to enter Europe via boats from Lybia. These guys were from sub-saharan Africa. In fact vast majority of migrants are from sub-saharan Africa, Afghanistan or Kosovo.

Vast majority of them sunni muslim men aged 18-35.

Conflict in Syria is really just smoke screen for this continent wide bussiness in human trafficking.

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it as been a recurrent event in Libya.a lot immigrants from Africa,Syria tried to cross to the sea to Europe and a lot of them get drown in the sea.majority of them are looking for greener pasture in Europe and some of them paid some agents who arrange boats for them to cross to Europe a lot of them are risking there lives

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 19, 2017, 06:10:35 PM

I have to agree on this one, I believe it is betrayal.

ISIS is not a superpower 1000000 times stronger than its opposition
They have opponents who are equally strong
Fleeing your own country while its people get butchered, murdered, raped, tortured, bombed and shot while you, a grown male run to Sweden/Germany? I believe that is betrayal.

And we're even more stupid for accepting them and spending so much money to take them in instead of spending that money to arm them, and give them a fighting chance in order to save their people, not just them.
Not everyone is able to leave the country, and if everyone leaves, will ISIS be happy with that, or will it move on to another country?

Yeah, not 10000 times superior...
It's not like one side is trained by USA. Armed by Western weapon manufacturers. Financed by Western countries.
While the other side is backed by humanitarian organizations...

One side got tanks, the other fucking ak 47 from cold war...
Clearly a balanced fight, I really don't understand why they don't fight?
ESPECIALLY as Western countries are bombing them while attacking Isis because fuck the locals anyway...

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This entire thread is exercise at flame baiting

Yet, the happening itself is textbook darwinian. Living beings take hazzard for better, potentially efortless living somewhere else. They prepare poorly. Perish. Rinse and repeat with another group of up and coming "new Europeans".

There are two kinds of people benefitting from this situation.

First are smugglers, who become insanely rich on this trafficking in last couple of years. Why sell heroin and weapons, when people can make you so much more money?

Second are NGOs and their often supra-national founders (George Soros is among many of those). You see governments often outsource "charity" to these "volunteers", thus while smugglers make money from the trafficked migrants. NGOs that lobby for migrants make money indirectly from tax payers.

They need each other like two cogs in well oiled machine.

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Quote from: Kvazimoda on January 20, 2017, 11:00:20 AM

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 19, 2017, 06:10:35 PM

Not everyone is able to leave the country, and if everyone leaves, will ISIS be happy with that, or will it move on to another country?

A large part of the ISIS fighting force is made up of mercenaries from other countries, such as Tunisia and Saudi Arabia. There are even tens of thousands of fighters from Europe. So, for them it doesn't matter whether the local population stays or flees.

I heard that ISIS are fighting a lot of representatives from Russia. Probably from Chechnya, but I'm not so sure. There gathered the representatives of radical Islamist groups. Terrorists have no nationality.

Not just from Russia, but also from the other ex-USSR nations such as Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan as well. Most of those from Russia are obviously Chechens. The other Muslims groups, such as the Daghestanis and Karachays have not shown much interest in joining the ISIS. Also, the most heavily Russified Muslims (such as the Tatars and Kazakhs) have shown little inclination towards the ISIS.

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 20, 2017, 01:32:06 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 20, 2017, 08:05:19 AM

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 19, 2017, 06:10:35 PM

Not everyone is able to leave the country, and if everyone leaves, will ISIS be happy with that, or will it move on to another country?

A large part of the ISIS fighting force is made up of mercenaries from other countries, such as Tunisia and Saudi Arabia. There are even tens of thousands of fighters from Europe. So, for them it doesn't matter whether the local population stays or flees.

That's what I'm saying, we're ALL supporting ISIS by taking refugees
We're taking away fighting men who are supposed to defend the people
And leaving those who can't escape to die

I agree with you. I do not understand what refugees. Still as I understand when fleeing from war, the women and children. But when fleeing from war men for me is a betrayal. Why save traitors?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 20, 2017, 08:05:19 AM

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 19, 2017, 06:10:35 PM

Not everyone is able to leave the country, and if everyone leaves, will ISIS be happy with that, or will it move on to another country?

A large part of the ISIS fighting force is made up of mercenaries from other countries, such as Tunisia and Saudi Arabia. There are even tens of thousands of fighters from Europe. So, for them it doesn't matter whether the local population stays or flees.

That's what I'm saying, we're ALL supporting ISIS by taking refugees
We're taking away fighting men who are supposed to defend the people
And leaving those who can't escape to die

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 20, 2017, 08:05:19 AM

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 19, 2017, 06:10:35 PM

Not everyone is able to leave the country, and if everyone leaves, will ISIS be happy with that, or will it move on to another country?

A large part of the ISIS fighting force is made up of mercenaries from other countries, such as Tunisia and Saudi Arabia. There are even tens of thousands of fighters from Europe. So, for them it doesn't matter whether the local population stays or flees.

I heard that ISIS are fighting a lot of representatives from Russia. Probably from Chechnya, but I'm not so sure. There gathered the representatives of radical Islamist groups. Terrorists have no nationality.

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 19, 2017, 06:10:35 PM

Not everyone is able to leave the country, and if everyone leaves, will ISIS be happy with that, or will it move on to another country?

A large part of the ISIS fighting force is made up of mercenaries from other countries, such as Tunisia and Saudi Arabia. There are even tens of thousands of fighters from Europe. So, for them it doesn't matter whether the local population stays or flees.

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Quote from: criptix on January 18, 2017, 07:02:49 AM

There exist only two muslim nation in the world:

Quatar who accepted 0 refugees and saudi arabia who accepted three (just say the russian troll is right without fact checking: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8175924).

Why the fuck cant they show love to their brethern like we christians do?
Look at the christian nations of turkey, jordan, lebanon, egypt, UAE, kuwait, iraq that host over 4 (it is close to 5 actually)million syrian refugees.
Christians i tell you - the best race in the world Roll Eyes

If we disregard you sarcasm, Christians are not a race Cheesy

And true, I didn't know about the others, but I always remember Turkey when someone says something like that

Quote from: craked5 on January 18, 2017, 10:07:45 AM

Quote from: PetroffVany on January 18, 2017, 09:28:51 AM

Quote from: craked5 on January 18, 2017, 07:54:54 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 18, 2017, 02:55:32 AM

Quote from: craked5 on January 17, 2017, 02:03:42 PM

They already are. Stable Muslim countries are litteraly flooded with refugees. They welcome as many as they can but there are dozens of millions of refugees fleeing OUR ARMIES in Middle East...

The world's richest country (Qatar) has accepted a total of ZERO refugees so far. Saudi Arabia has accepted a total of three. And these two countries were even more involved than the EU/US in the Syrian civil war. Do you have any more excuses?

Excuses?
EXCUSES?
Excuses for what? For wanting to have a better respect of human rights than Qatar and Saudi Arabia??
No I have no excuses, I just want us to take our responsibility toward our actions. Contrary to them.
And I was talking about countries like Egypt or Turkey which are full of refugees.

I may sound like a fascist but I absolutely do not feel sorry for these people. They have chosen their fate. The fact that in their country there is a war they blame themselves. Instead to protect and rebuild the country they run. This is a betrayal!

So I guess running against a US tank rather than fight it is betrayal?
Good to know. So the millions of people who fled europe in ww2 were traitors?

Wahou, you really are so noble behind your computer. I guess you would be the first one to defend your country against a superpower 1000000 times stronger than you?

I have to agree on this one, I believe it is betrayal.

ISIS is not a superpower 1000000 times stronger than its opposition
They have opponents who are equally strong
Fleeing your own country while its people get butchered, murdered, raped, tortured, bombed and shot while you, a grown male run to Sweden/Germany? I believe that is betrayal.

And we're even more stupid for accepting them and spending so much money to take them in instead of spending that money to arm them, and give them a fighting chance in order to save their people, not just them.
Not everyone is able to leave the country, and if everyone leaves, will ISIS be happy with that, or will it move on to another country?

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Quote from: craked5 on January 18, 2017, 10:07:45 AM

Quote from: PetroffVany on January 18, 2017, 09:28:51 AM

Quote from: craked5 on January 18, 2017, 07:54:54 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 18, 2017, 02:55:32 AM

Quote from: craked5 on January 17, 2017, 02:03:42 PM

They already are. Stable Muslim countries are litteraly flooded with refugees. They welcome as many as they can but there are dozens of millions of refugees fleeing OUR ARMIES in Middle East...

The world's richest country (Qatar) has accepted a total of ZERO refugees so far. Saudi Arabia has accepted a total of three. And these two countries were even more involved than the EU/US in the Syrian civil war. Do you have any more excuses?

Excuses?
EXCUSES?
Excuses for what? For wanting to have a better respect of human rights than Qatar and Saudi Arabia??
No I have no excuses, I just want us to take our responsibility toward our actions. Contrary to them.
And I was talking about countries like Egypt or Turkey which are full of refugees.

I may sound like a fascist but I absolutely do not feel sorry for these people. They have chosen their fate. The fact that in their country there is a war they blame themselves. Instead to protect and rebuild the country they run. This is a betrayal!

So I guess running against a US tank rather than fight it is betrayal?
Good to know. So the millions of people who fled europe in ww2 were traitors?

Wahou, you really are so noble behind your computer. I guess you would be the first one to defend your country against a superpower 1000000 times stronger than you?

There is always a person there is a way. I think that people should not vote for those who undermine the foundations of the state, and if so it must be time to remove them from office. And if the country attacks an enemy we can defend it to the last breath or give up.

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Quote from: PetroffVany on January 18, 2017, 09:28:51 AM

Quote from: craked5 on January 18, 2017, 07:54:54 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 18, 2017, 02:55:32 AM

Quote from: craked5 on January 17, 2017, 02:03:42 PM

They already are. Stable Muslim countries are litteraly flooded with refugees. They welcome as many as they can but there are dozens of millions of refugees fleeing OUR ARMIES in Middle East...

The world's richest country (Qatar) has accepted a total of ZERO refugees so far. Saudi Arabia has accepted a total of three. And these two countries were even more involved than the EU/US in the Syrian civil war. Do you have any more excuses?

Excuses?
EXCUSES?
Excuses for what? For wanting to have a better respect of human rights than Qatar and Saudi Arabia??
No I have no excuses, I just want us to take our responsibility toward our actions. Contrary to them.
And I was talking about countries like Egypt or Turkey which are full of refugees.

I may sound like a fascist but I absolutely do not feel sorry for these people. They have chosen their fate. The fact that in their country there is a war they blame themselves. Instead to protect and rebuild the country they run. This is a betrayal!

So I guess running against a US tank rather than fight it is betrayal?
Good to know. So the millions of people who fled europe in ww2 were traitors?

Wahou, you really are so noble behind your computer. I guess you would be the first one to defend your country against a superpower 1000000 times stronger than you?

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Quote from: craked5 on January 18, 2017, 07:54:54 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 18, 2017, 02:55:32 AM

Quote from: craked5 on January 17, 2017, 02:03:42 PM

They already are. Stable Muslim countries are litteraly flooded with refugees. They welcome as many as they can but there are dozens of millions of refugees fleeing OUR ARMIES in Middle East...

The world's richest country (Qatar) has accepted a total of ZERO refugees so far. Saudi Arabia has accepted a total of three. And these two countries were even more involved than the EU/US in the Syrian civil war. Do you have any more excuses?

Excuses?
EXCUSES?
Excuses for what? For wanting to have a better respect of human rights than Qatar and Saudi Arabia??
No I have no excuses, I just want us to take our responsibility toward our actions. Contrary to them.
And I was talking about countries like Egypt or Turkey which are full of refugees.

I may sound like a fascist but I absolutely do not feel sorry for these people. They have chosen their fate. The fact that in their country there is a war they blame themselves. Instead to protect and rebuild the country they run. This is a betrayal!

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 18, 2017, 02:55:32 AM

Quote from: craked5 on January 17, 2017, 02:03:42 PM

They already are. Stable Muslim countries are litteraly flooded with refugees. They welcome as many as they can but there are dozens of millions of refugees fleeing OUR ARMIES in Middle East...

The world's richest country (Qatar) has accepted a total of ZERO refugees so far. Saudi Arabia has accepted a total of three. And these two countries were even more involved than the EU/US in the Syrian civil war. Do you have any more excuses?

Excuses?
EXCUSES?
Excuses for what? For wanting to have a better respect of human rights than Qatar and Saudi Arabia??
No I have no excuses, I just want us to take our responsibility toward our actions. Contrary to them.
And I was talking about countries like Egypt or Turkey which are full of refugees.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 18, 2017, 02:55:32 AM

Quote from: craked5 on January 17, 2017, 02:03:42 PM

They already are. Stable Muslim countries are litteraly flooded with refugees. They welcome as many as they can but there are dozens of millions of refugees fleeing OUR ARMIES in Middle East...

The world's richest country (Qatar) has accepted a total of ZERO refugees so far. Saudi Arabia has accepted a total of three. And these two countries were even more involved than the EU/US in the Syrian civil war. Do you have any more excuses?

There exist only two muslim nation in the world:

Quatar who accepted 0 refugees and saudi arabia who accepted three (just say the russian troll is right without fact checking: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8175924).

Why the fuck cant they show love to their brethern like we christians do?
Look at the christian nations of turkey, jordan, lebanon, egypt, UAE, kuwait, iraq that host over 4 (it is close to 5 actually)million syrian refugees.
Christians i tell you - the best race in the world Roll Eyes

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Quote from: craked5 on January 17, 2017, 02:03:42 PM

They already are. Stable Muslim countries are litteraly flooded with refugees. They welcome as many as they can but there are dozens of millions of refugees fleeing OUR ARMIES in Middle East...

The world's richest country (Qatar) has accepted a total of ZERO refugees so far. Saudi Arabia has accepted a total of three. And these two countries were even more involved than the EU/US in the Syrian civil war. Do you have any more excuses?

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 17, 2017, 02:26:44 PM

Quote from: craked5 on January 17, 2017, 02:00:43 PM

I'm just saying that you're barely humans

Quote from: craked5 on January 17, 2017, 02:03:42 PM

Yes! they should have stayed at home while OUR ARMIES are bombing the shit out of them after OUR COUNTRIES AND GOVERNMENTS destabilized entire regions of the world...
You're the kind of people saying USA should have never helped Europe in WW2 I guess no?

We're not all from USA, you know?
Good point though, you made thy mess, ya fix it Tongue

Well vast majority are from USA or Europe, and both are fully responsible for this mess as you say!
I don't know if we can fix it...
But what's sure is that we're not "victims".
We're freaking aggressors.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 17, 2017, 08:00:32 AM

Quote from: Xester on January 16, 2017, 08:47:41 AM

What is money if you are living in hell. Libya is in a hellish condition with the poor having no worth and constant wars with food shortage everywhere then you will surely risk your life to get to somewhere else where you can find peace of heart and mind. If I were them I will also do the same, if only peace condition is good and the food is not scarce then they will no longer dream of going out of the country.

Do you know that very few of these immigrants are Libyan nationals? Most of them are from the Sub Saharan African nations such as Burkina Faso, Ghana, Ethiopia, and Uganda, where there is no civil war or unrest.

They don't even have documents. I do not understand how the European States are not so lightly to give residence permits to those people. I think they would be cheaper to return it back. Boats to destroy in the sea.

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