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April 22, 2017, 03:07:26 AM
#34
https://tether.to/legal/


PURCHASE AND REDEMPTION OF TETHERS: The Site is an environment for the purchase and redemption of Tethers. Once you have Tethers, you can trade them, keep them, or use them to pay persons that will accept your Tethers. However, Tethers are not money and are not monetary instruments. They are also not stored value or currency.
There is no contractual right or other right or legal claim against us to redeem or exchange your Tethers for money. We do not guarantee any right of redemption or exchange of Tethers by us for money. There is no guarantee against losses when you buy, trade, sell, or redeem Tethers.


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legendary
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April 21, 2017, 07:55:21 PM
#33
So has anyone lately actually cashed in USDT for USD?

it's stuck along with the conventional usd in bitfinex. kraken have now opened up a usd/usdt margin trading market.


I just got that email, still don't trust it until we can check the backing securities ourselves.
legendary
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April 21, 2017, 07:18:06 PM
#32
So has anyone lately actually cashed in USDT for USD?

it's stuck along with the conventional usd in bitfinex. kraken have now opened up a usd/usdt margin trading market.
legendary
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April 21, 2017, 05:53:15 PM
#31
USDT's price is consistently adjusted to be equal to 1 dollar. Users at poloniex.com use this instead of dollars.

How do they make the USDT equal to 1 dollar I wonder?
Are they also used in other places than poloniex.com? Are there other platforms we can trade USDT?

Since Poloniex runs Tether, it is not traded on any other exchange. They peg the price presumably by trading in the right quantities. The reason they made it was so users could save their cryptocurrency profits in a currency which was guaranteed to be stable. (Let's say you left your profits in litecoin and the price went down, you would lose money).

Poloniex doesn't run Tether.

Nor do they guarantee that it won't be completely worthless ever, I've asked them.


So has anyone lately actually cashed in USDT for USD?
My trust for Btfinex is a zero and I took a loss to just get rid of usdt,
Funny thing is I decided to use etc (for the first time ever) right before it spiked. But I exchanged the etc for XMR to early and missed the spike. DOH!
legendary
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April 21, 2017, 02:33:07 AM
#30
USDT's price is consistently adjusted to be equal to 1 dollar. Users at poloniex.com use this instead of dollars.

How do they make the USDT equal to 1 dollar I wonder?
Are they also used in other places than poloniex.com? Are there other platforms we can trade USDT?

Since Poloniex runs Tether, it is not traded on any other exchange. They peg the price presumably by trading in the right quantities. The reason they made it was so users could save their cryptocurrency profits in a currency which was guaranteed to be stable. (Let's say you left your profits in litecoin and the price went down, you would lose money).

Poloniex doesn't run Tether.
legendary
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April 21, 2017, 02:15:34 AM
#29
Is it like a OpenAssets protocol? What are the differences between OpenAssets and OmniLayer?

Hmm, I have never heard of the OpenAssets protocol, but after a quick Google search it looks like it is a colored coin implementation.

That is exactly how the Omni Layer works too. It is a colored coins implementation. The Omni Layer was formerly known as Mastercoin, and it started here on the forums: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mastercoin-new-protocol-layer-starting-from-the-exodus-address-265488
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April 21, 2017, 12:57:44 AM
#28
You can transfer USDT to your Omni Layer wallet. USDT is an Omni asset, and there are not smart contracts. The peg staying at $1 is dependent on the Tether company buying it and selling it for such.

There are a few wallets... hosted ones where you own your private key, and also Omni Core that you can download. With the latter, you have to download the entire blockchain and it takes a long time. I'd recommend the former.

http://www.omnilayer.org/

Is it like a OpenAssets protocol? What are the differences between OpenAssets and OmniLayer?
legendary
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April 21, 2017, 12:40:34 AM
#27
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There is no contractual right or other right or legal claim against us to redeem or exchange your Tethers for money. We do not guarantee any right of redemption or exchange of Tethers by us for money. There is no guarantee against losses when you buy, trade, sell, or redeem Tethers.

That is very perplexing.

Indeed. That is pretty crazy. Effectively they could walk away with everyone's USD and stop enforcing the peg at anytime. The language in the ToS may or may not hold up in court, but it would be hard to get any money out of them... a long legal battle would drag on.

I don't see how they can enforce a ToS when no one has technically accepted it. You know, when register for a web site and have to manually check the box to accept the terms of service? I'm not sure if the ToS holds any weight since no one technically accepts it when they buy or sell it on an exchange.
sr. member
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April 21, 2017, 12:34:38 AM
#26
Has anyone actually read the Tether Terms of Service at tether.to/legal?

Tether specifically disclaims any obligation to redeem Tethers for money.

I'm not sure what "Every tether is always backed 1-to-1, by traditional currency held in our reserves" can mean in this context.

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There is no contractual right or other right or legal claim against us to redeem or exchange your Tethers for money. We do not guarantee any right of redemption or exchange of Tethers by us for money. There is no guarantee against losses when you buy, trade, sell, or redeem Tethers.

That is very perplexing.


What is the relationship with bitfinex and how is that affecting tether? I thought they were completely independent.

What is the right way to run a company like tether? Is all they are missing having regular third-party audits and some guarantee to exchange USDT for USD?
legendary
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April 21, 2017, 12:33:07 AM
#25
can i run an usdt full node? how?  Huh
is USDT based on a smart contract?

You can transfer USDT to your Omni Layer wallet. USDT is an Omni asset, and there are not smart contracts. The peg staying at $1 is dependent on the Tether company buying it and selling it for such.

There are a few wallets... hosted ones where you own your private key, and also Omni Core that you can download. With the latter, you have to download the entire blockchain and it takes a long time. I'd recommend the former.

http://www.omnilayer.org/
newbie
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April 21, 2017, 12:13:53 AM
#24
can i run an usdt full node? how?  Huh
is USDT based on a smart contract?
sr. member
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April 18, 2017, 01:30:07 AM
#23
Can someone tell me if you can hold USDT in a wallet outside of poloniex?

The biggest problem with USDT is obviously the fact that it is heavily centralized within poloniex.

If you try to sell a bit of BTC into USDT to buy back in, you are trusting that poloniex does not get "hacked"

Im not willing to trust poloniex or any exchange, specially in times where bitcoin is about to go interstellar.
Yes
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April 17, 2017, 09:35:08 PM
#22
Has anyone actually read the Tether Terms of Service at tether.to/legal?

Tether specifically disclaims any obligation to redeem Tethers for money.

I'm not sure what "Every tether is always backed 1-to-1, by traditional currency held in our reserves" can mean in this context.
legendary
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April 17, 2017, 06:22:55 PM
#21
Before I started parking USD in USDT I checked into the backing and was unable to find any proof that there actually is any. I asked in a few threads and did not get an answer so I knew this was coming but do to the market cap I thought it would steady itself as any ponzie will for awhile, I didn't expect the house of cards to topple so fast. Smiley

yeah. bitfinex and transparency have always had a little problem. maybe it'll come back ok but they should've put it in the hands of a proper company with some accountability.

I'm gonna take a guess and say they are gonna fuck everyone. $40 btc increase says it all when no-one is willing to arb. Smiley
legendary
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April 17, 2017, 06:07:13 PM
#20
Before I started parking USD in USDT I checked into the backing and was unable to find any proof that there actually is any. I asked in a few threads and did not get an answer so I knew this was coming but do to the market cap I thought it would steady itself as any ponzie will for awhile, I didn't expect the house of cards to topple so fast. Smiley

yeah. bitfinex and transparency have always had a little problem. maybe it'll come back ok but they should've put it in the hands of a proper company with some accountability.
hero member
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April 17, 2017, 05:38:37 PM
#19
USDT's price is consistently adjusted to be equal to 1 dollar. Users at poloniex.com use this instead of dollars.

How do they make the USDT equal to 1 dollar I wonder?
Are they also used in other places than poloniex.com? Are there other platforms we can trade USDT?

They do it through centralisation and that's basically what every money transmitting company does.

They claim to have full reserves, but obviously you have no idea even if they publish their figures because there is no third party audits that I am aware of conducted upon their reserves.

And there is always a risk of them refusing withdrawals as they are a centralised company. If that happens then your tokens are worthless.
legendary
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April 17, 2017, 05:36:08 PM
#18
So as far as I can tell, they just keep printing more.

When the price goes below a dollar, they printed more than they should, so they need to stop the machine.
When it goes above, they should be printing more, so they turn on the power.

Sweet.

I wish I created that... Where are the "Premine is a scam" guys...? What about this ?

there isn't any printing involved. there's a real dollar matching every usdt and that's the problem. if you can't move that dollar things start to go a little awry.

Before I started parking USD in USDT I checked into the backing and was unable to find any proof that there actually is any. I asked in a few threads and did not get an answer so I knew this was coming but do to the market cap I thought it would steady itself as any ponzie will for awhile, I didn't expect the house of cards to topple so fast. Smiley
legendary
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April 17, 2017, 05:31:06 PM
#17
So as far as I can tell, they just keep printing more.

When the price goes below a dollar, they printed more than they should, so they need to stop the machine.
When it goes above, they should be printing more, so they turn on the power.

Sweet.

I wish I created that... Where are the "Premine is a scam" guys...? What about this ?

there isn't any printing involved. there's a real dollar matching every usdt and that's the problem. if you can't move that dollar things start to go a little awry.
member
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April 17, 2017, 05:22:52 PM
#16
So as far as I can tell, they just keep printing more.

When the price goes below a dollar, they printed more than they should, so they need to stop the machine.
When it goes above, they should be printing more, so they turn on the power.

Sweet.

I wish I created that... Where are the "Premine is a scam" guys...? What about this ?
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
April 17, 2017, 04:11:15 PM
#15
WHY is BTC 1,233 in usdt on polo yet it's 1,085 USD on exchanges?

This doesn't look tethered to me.

it isn't. it's starting to slip a little. it's tied up with bitfinex's banking problems so right now i'd be staying well away from it until things are clearer.

THX, I took the loss and got out.
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