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March 31, 2019, 05:32:59 AM
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10% Charm will be reserved for our Vortexledger. Vortexledger planned to be an open ledger to support barter, without any general equalent, as Ethereum (ETH), or Bitcoin (BTC), dollar (USD), euro (EUR), ...
In Vortexledger you can barter with Kisses i.e. ... A Kiss has always physical form - you know. It used in barter as long ago as animals living in our planet! Maybe more? I don't know...
Maybe Kisses needs some Charm, but Toto will be not as big as today - Toto will be hundredth less as at this time. On all Ledgers behind Dorothyum... It is possible you can't transfer only 1 Toto on a Ledger.
And we will call it Toto, as was promised before. The smallest unit in Dorothyum remains ALLWAYS Toto!
It is planned, that Toto's will be possible to move between markets. With a needed conversions, of course.

~100 000 .. 50 000 years before was only barter used between people in our globe. It become later such complex, it produced issues, the peolpe was unable to solve. It was the general equalent invented. Gold?
We know already, that our money-system has issues also. It producing issues, our politicians can't solve - we touch it at this time. We think, barter was better.
Satoshi tried to solv the issues through invent bitcoin. But Satoshi invented only a new kind of money! Our wrong money system will it use as other currencies used at this time - not the needed change, we think.
To invent money, bitcoin and open ledger was maybe only a needed step for our civilisation.

We think, the problem of barter can be solved at this time already with the knowledge it exists and with some creativity.
...

About the Architecture of Dorothyum

Dorothyum is planned to be an open ledger independent dApp...
Charm, Kisses and Toto's will be freely movable between ledgers.
Our planned steps:

1st and 2nd step not relevant for Vortexledger - it is developed paralell with our discussion here...





If somebody needs timeline and milestones - I can ask Merlin, but I know, what Merlin says for such questions:
"There is no time, Clown, only real changes will bring our current world to an another..."

Some information about the planned distribution of Charm:



We are reserving some Charm's for 2nd ICO, on different Ledger's, and for a Campaign...

3% reserved as Bounty...
1% for a Campaign Manager... (to be announced later)
1% for the Team of Campaign Manager

20% Charm for 2nd ICO on the Ethereum AND Ethereum Classic Ledger (Just to wait, up to Merlin doing some magic for a safe Ethereum smart contract... Maybe only 100 years... Merlin think it's enough, don't 1000 years needed as first planned.)
20% Charm for Exchange Bot on the Byteball Ledger (RUNNING!!!! You should pay 30% less, as the price on the Ethereum Ledger planned at this time, We offered through the BOT already the first orders with this price!)
20% Charm for 2nd ICO on the Bitcoin (RSK) Ledger (just wait - maybe we start this, with a bounty campagne, in days!!!)
20% Charm reserved for 2nd ICO on other Ledger's with some rehabilitation because some event (as i.e. MtGox bankruptcy, Horizon delisting from Poloniex, ...) in the history of bitcoin and alt's (we should it check accurately before)

10% Charm will be reserved for our Vortexledger. Vortexledger planned to be an open ledger to support barter, without any general equalent, as Ethereum (ETH), or Bitcoin (BTC), dollar (USD), euro (EUR), ...
In Vortexledger you can barter with Kisses i.e. ... A Kiss has always physical form - you know. It used in barter as long ago as animals living in our planet! Maybe more? I don't know...
Maybe Kisses needs some Charm, but Toto will be not as big as today - Toto will be hundredth less as at this time. On all Ledgers behind Dorothyum... It is possible you can't transfer only 1 Toto on a Ledger.
And we will call it Toto, as was promised before. The smallest unit in Dorothyum remains ALLWAYS Toto!
It is planned, that Toto's will be possible to move between markets. With a needed conversions, of course.

~100 000 .. 50 000 years before was only barter used between people in our globe. It become later such complex, it produced issues, the peolpe was unable to solve. It was the general equalent invented. Gold?
We know already, that our money-system has issues also. It producing issues, our politicians can't solve - we touch it at this time. We think, barter was better.
Satoshi tried to solv the issues through invent bitcoin. But Satoshi invented only a new kind of money! Our wrong money system will it use as other currencies used at this time - not the needed change, we think.
To invent money, bitcoin and open ledger was maybe only a needed step for our civilisation.
We think, the problem of barter can be solved at this time already with the knowledge it exists and with some creativity.

Dorothyum will be run on every ledger where it is defined. Dorothyum will be then indepentent from the ledger through this behavior.
Kisses are definitely indepentent from the type of economy - we known Smiley

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March 31, 2019, 05:32:09 AM
#5
Our original first post...

I start a topic for Vortexledger. I reserve some post at the start, to have some place to use it for different things.

About our roots:

Charm is our version for a kind of money. It is backed.
You will be able to select between Vortexledger with Dorothyum (to use barter) or a Ledger (i.e. Byteball - with a kind of money: our Charm) with Dorothyum.
We would like to let the possibility to try, use and compare the possibilities, or possible issues on many implementations on many ledger - with use only barter or use Charm and Kisses.
We think - it is important a slowly change in the world. We needs it also. We needs many inputs, many support, many informations, many real experiences with the new economy modell...

Please support us. Buy a little Charm i.e. - we need a support, I must to explain, already... After some years of independent development. Many thanks for supporters!

You will be able to select. If you trust the local carpenter more as the local lawyer ...
You choose the carpenter tokenized working hour (if it exists at that time some amount for you on the local market...)

If you wish Smiley of course......

You will be able to pay 25000 Pizza for a bitcoin... Or? Cheesy

Kisses - in physically form - are universally accepted - we hope Smiley Or?

((we did a little seaching on the web... Try google: kiss pictures))



and we would like remain with Vortexledger (ledger for barter) local and segmented, maybe offline sometimes... ((offline first db...))
It will be No Money on top of No DB Smiley No General something, No Global something - it will be used, if needed, a well known local and tokenized thing (i.e. water, milk, apple, working hour's of a local carpenter, lawyer, teacher, ...)  

Many things will be tokenized. You can "pay" i.e. with your tokenized working hours at your post in your village Smiley

what a great idea but im still in doubt how a cashless society functions without universally accepted mode of transfer of assets?
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March 31, 2019, 05:14:25 AM
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March 31, 2019, 05:14:17 AM
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Abbreviations:

PO - Projekt Owner
PM - Projekt Manager
SM - Scrum Master
HD - The Head of the development
Scrum Team - please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(software_development)
(ifinta the retired) Clown (at this time the dev and pm) - in the Kingdom (of Arthur Pendragon) a clown may say everything - really everything... And he (/ she) may thinking (and feeling) about things a little more Smiley

Team:

PO     - Arthur Pendragon (a well known Knight from the Tale!!!)
PM     - ifinta
SM     - Merlin (the greatest wizard all of time - we need it. As community manager, and for the market also. Maybe to develop our programmers and testers - they needs the knowledge of Merlin sometimes - really...)

About our developments:

The git repository: https://github.com/ifinta/vortexledger
To ask, diskuss things - we would like to use Telegram. I created a group "vortexledger", and we have a channel t.me/vortexledger also...
A reddit post to diskuss the vision, ... on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9u2men/a_criticism_of_bitcoin_as_a_kind_of_money_and_a/
My profile on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/istv%C3%A1n-finta-3a295923/
I tweet rarely, but sometimes I do it: https://twitter.com/ifinta66
The twitter page of the projects: https://twitter.com/vortexledger/

We changing our platform to communicate with our economy - we choiced NOTABUG ((we trying to migrate all informations here and from old links above under gun.db i.e. NOTABUG. Please be patient)):
It is our SPACE in notabug:
https://notabug.io/user/wCVYJ0Am3QqyR3ZeBSQQs7fsnJTRIDUuhwPv0wmyFbw.RAFELn3gqvwUx0ycWE1BvEk4nHT6vjgl0paLcXNargA/spaces/vortexledger

or https://cutt.ly/vortexledger ((we used an url shortener...)

The list of the published second posts in this thread:
  
 Some citation frm the Charm ICO and official thread, we are before the first two step in the project for Charm, but we are planning an ICO later, and we would like to diskuss Vortexledger before......
  
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March 31, 2019, 05:14:11 AM
#2
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10% Charm will be reserved for our Vortexledger. Vortexledger planned to be an open ledger to support barter, without any general equalent, as Ethereum (ETH), or Bitcoin (BTC), dollar (USD), euro (EUR), ...
In Vortexledger you can barter with Kisses i.e. ... A Kiss has always physical form - you know. It used in barter as long ago as animals living in our planet! Maybe more? I don't know...
Maybe Kisses needs some Charm, but Toto will be not as big as today - Toto will be hundredth less as at this time. On all Ledgers behind Dorothyum... It is possible you can't transfer only 1 Toto on a Ledger.
And we will call it Toto, as was promised before. The smallest unit in Dorothyum remains ALLWAYS Toto!
It is planned, that Toto's will be possible to move between markets. With a needed conversions, of course.

~100 000 .. 50 000 years before was only barter used between people in our globe. It become later such complex, it produced issues, the peolpe was unable to solve. It was the general equalent invented. Gold?
We know already, that our money-system has issues also. It producing issues, our politicians can't solve - we touch it at this time. We think, barter was better.
Satoshi tried to solv the issues through invent bitcoin. But Satoshi invented only a new kind of money! Our wrong money system will it use as other currencies used at this time - not the needed change, we think.
To invent money, bitcoin and open ledger was maybe only a needed step for our civilisation.

We think, the problem of barter can be solved at this time already with the knowledge it exists and with some creativity.
...

About the Architecture of Dorothyum

Dorothyum is planned to be an open ledger independent dApp...
Charm, Kisses and Toto's will be freely movable between ledgers.
Our planned steps:

1st and 2nd step not relevant for Vortexledger - it is developed paralell with our discussion here...





If somebody needs timeline and milestones - I can ask Merlin, but I know, what Merlin says for such questions:
"There is no time, Clown, only real changes will bring our current world to an another..."

Some information about the planned distribution of Charm:



We are reserving some Charm's for 2nd ICO, on different Ledger's, and for a Campaign...

3% reserved as Bounty...
1% for a Campaign Manager... (to be announced later)
1% for the Team of Campaign Manager

20% Charm for 2nd ICO on the Ethereum AND Ethereum Classic Ledger (Just to wait, up to Merlin doing some magic for a safe Ethereum smart contract... Maybe only 100 years... Merlin think it's enough, don't 1000 years needed as first planned.)
20% Charm for Exchange Bot on the Byteball Ledger (RUNNING!!!! You should pay 30% less, as the price on the Ethereum Ledger planned at this time, We offered through the BOT already the first orders with this price!)
20% Charm for 2nd ICO on the Bitcoin (RSK) Ledger (just wait - maybe we start this, with a bounty campagne, in days!!!)
20% Charm reserved for 2nd ICO on other Ledger's with some rehabilitation because some event (as i.e. MtGox bankruptcy, Horizon delisting from Poloniex, ...) in the history of bitcoin and alt's (we should it check accurately before)

10% Charm will be reserved for our Vortexledger. Vortexledger planned to be an open ledger to support barter, without any general equalent, as Ethereum (ETH), or Bitcoin (BTC), dollar (USD), euro (EUR), ...
In Vortexledger you can barter with Kisses i.e. ... A Kiss has always physical form - you know. It used in barter as long ago as animals living in our planet! Maybe more? I don't know...
Maybe Kisses needs some Charm, but Toto will be not as big as today - Toto will be hundredth less as at this time. On all Ledgers behind Dorothyum... It is possible you can't transfer only 1 Toto on a Ledger.
And we will call it Toto, as was promised before. The smallest unit in Dorothyum remains ALLWAYS Toto!
It is planned, that Toto's will be possible to move between markets. With a needed conversions, of course.

~100 000 .. 50 000 years before was only barter used between people in our globe. It become later such complex, it produced issues, the peolpe was unable to solve. It was the general equalent invented. Gold?
We know already, that our money-system has issues also. It producing issues, our politicians can't solve - we touch it at this time. We think, barter was better.
Satoshi tried to solv the issues through invent bitcoin. But Satoshi invented only a new kind of money! Our wrong money system will it use as other currencies used at this time - not the needed change, we think.
To invent money, bitcoin and open ledger was maybe only a needed step for our civilisation.
We think, the problem of barter can be solved at this time already with the knowledge it exists and with some creativity.

Dorothyum will be run on every ledger where it is defined. Dorothyum will be then indepentent from the ledger through this behavior.
Kisses are definitely indepentent from the type of economy - we known Smiley

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March 31, 2019, 05:13:54 AM
#1
I start a topic for Vortexledger. I reserve some post at the start, to have some place to use it for different things.

About our roots:

Charm is our version for a kind of money. It is backed.
You will be able to select between Vortexledger with Dorothyum (to use barter) or a Ledger (i.e. Byteball - with a kind of money: our Charm) with Dorothyum.
We would like to let the possibility to try, use and compare the possibilities, or possible issues on many implementations on many ledger - with use only barter or use Charm and Kisses.
We think - it is important a slowly change in the world. We needs it also. We needs many inputs, many support, many informations, many real experiences with the new economy modell...

Please support us. Buy a little Charm i.e. - we need a support, I must to explain, already... After some years of independent development. Many thanks for supporters!

You will be able to select. If you trust the local carpenter more as the local lawyer ...
You choose the carpenter tokenized working hour (if it exists at that time some amount for you on the local market...)

If you wish Smiley of course......

You will be able to pay 25000 Pizza for a bitcoin... Or? Cheesy

Kisses - in physically form - are universally accepted - we hope Smiley Or?

((we did a little seaching on the web... Try google: kiss pictures))



and we would like remain with Vortexledger (ledger for barter) local and segmented, maybe offline sometimes... ((offline first db...))
It will be No Money on top of No DB Smiley No General something, No Global something - it will be used, if needed, a well known local and tokenized thing (i.e. water, milk, apple, working hour's of a local carpenter, lawyer, teacher, ...)  

Many things will be tokenized. You can "pay" i.e. with your tokenized working hours at your post in your village Smiley

what a great idea but im still in doubt how a cashless society functions without universally accepted mode of transfer of assets?
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