Topic: Abuse of DT by odolvlobo? (Read 258 times)

You might be right and since we already have a satisfactory reply from odol, I am locking the thread now.

Aren't we all able to use the trust list as we wish? If the guy thinks the member is a risk, he is able to leave whatever feedback he wishes. If the person he has an issue with cares about the feedback, then let him question the guy who tagged him. If he has done so and gets no response or whatnot, then let him create the thread for himself. No reason for you savetheFORUM to make this thread, sorry.

How many efforts are required doesn't really matter, what matters is that he is not charging and is not liable to explain his tools.

Experience and expertise finding viabtc.com or any number of other free acceleration services?

A few weeks ago. I received a letter from an “investigator” working for a law firm who specializes in returning abandoned property to their rightful owners. It was regarding a security deposit I never received from an old landlord from about 10 years ago. They wanted me to agree to pay them 20% of any amount they recovered for me. I actually have money held by the state, and the state would have paid me directly, however I can get this money by filling out a single form myself.

Is this shady? Yes absolutely. Is it legal? Also yes.

LoyceV has a service in which he “recovers” fork coin from addresses that had coin at the time of various forks. Although he also has a free guide for people to claim fork coins themselves. 

Real estate agents charge fees for selling property that could be done by the client. Lawyers charge fees for providing information about the law that is publicly available.

The list goes on. He has experience and expertise that others do not have.

I think the negative tag is not bad, just for Mr.Spider703 to make certain corrections. No big issue here, odolvlobo can remove the red tag, but according to his comments I read above, this quote below is wrong. It is making people to think Mr.Spider703 is the one acceleratating the transaction, and of which not. So, if you can tell Mr.Spider703 to edit the topic, I hope odolvlobo will likely remove the negative trust. He/she needs to be transparent about it just like on this thread.

As I commented, I iterate this to be a wrong and false statement, the topic needs edition imo.

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Enough of this "scammer" fallacy. The red trust rating does not necessarily mean "scammer". It means "high risk". Whether the risk of voluntarily tipping someone for doing fuck all is "high" - a matter of opinion, but when it involves money and deception I wouldn't be so adamant calling the red trust a mistake.


It wasn't obvious at all:



Here's a better idea: stop telling me what to do and use the saved time to "verify stats" yourself, whatever that means. Win-win.

I agree with you to some extent, though there is no way for me to know that I am DT, except by doing some investigation. However, I do know that I have Legendary status and I agree that I should be careful, and I try to be careful.


I never said he is scamming. I stated the issue accurately and precisely, and you just wrote that you agree with it. I feel that he deserves negative trust for being deceptive and you don't. He wasn't charging anything but he was asking for tips.

It is an issue if the police say that they broke up the fight, just as when Mr.Spider703 takes credit for accelerating a transaction when he didn't.

You are on DT and I am surprised to see that you aren't aware of it. Even if you aren't you should be careful when leaving feedbacks, the responsibility increases with DT.


But if your opinion is wrong and you are part of the DT, you will at times be questioned. I don't see a problem correcting a mistake either.


Agree with that part but eventually, someone who isn't aware of technical aspects, gets his transaction confirmed without spending anything. If even he is hiding the fact he uses some external sources, I don't think he is scamming anyone because the service is free and tips aren't forced but left by users as thanks.



Consider this example. If you buy potatoes for cheap and sell them for a higher cost, without mentioning the source of purchase to the buyer, does that tag you as a scammer?

There are countless service providers who do minimal work and earn, it is because the buyer isn't aware of the source. What makes it more baffling is that Mr.Spider703 isn't charging anything, so I don't know how you see him as a scammer.


Obviously a lot of times that might happen. You call the police but the fight ends early doesn't mean the police are at fault.


If he doesn't even care, at least you should correct your mistake.

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Because I was writing replies here and doing some work, once I was done, I would have obviously messaged him.



I'm not schooling you because you said you are not a teenage girl, you're mature enough, I am just telling you to verify stats posted by others, even if they are posted by some of the best members.


I have already made up my mind, that is why I thanked you for messaging him because it saved my time.

Huh? nutildah told you to send a PM, which for some inexplicable reason you refused to do. Now you're thanking me for sending the PM that you should have sent, and at the same time schooling me for sending merits to nutildah for the advice to send the PM. Make up your mind. Or at least spend a few minutes thinking before posting - this is not twitbook and you don't have to post every brainfart publicly.


You are included by Foxpup, who is in DT1, which makes you a member of DT2.

I guess I should respond.


The issue is that Mr.Spider703 was claiming that he is accelerating transactions, and his goal was to gain tips and merits. Only the biggest miners can accelerate a transaction. Mr.Spider703 cannot. At best, he can submit a transaction to ViaBTC's service. If that is what he is doing, then he hides that fact and he takes credit for the confirmed transaction. I don't trust people that hide important information in order to gain money or merits.


He also has received money at his tip address, but that does not show that he is not faking it. It shows me that he is successfully fooling people.

In fact, if you look at some of the transactions that he claims to have accelerated, you can see that they were confirmed because transaction fees dropped and not because of anything that he may have done.


I have never been contacted by Mr.Spider703, so I assume he doesn't care what I think about his activity.

I never said he was a scammer, but it's obvious to any one who's been around for a while that he's not being completely honest.  I also said that I think the red-tag is harsh.  In my opinion a neutral tag would suffice, but that's my opinion not odolvlobo's.  The trust system is meant to be decentralized, and this is why.  Some of us find some things more troubling than others.  If other DT members find his use of the trust system to be abusive, then odolvlobo's tenure on DT2 is likely to be short-lived.

Agree but I don't think it deserves a negative and if a designer doesn't mention the software they use, doesn't mean they are scammers.

@suchmoon Thanks for messaging him and before giving out merits do verify if the facts are correct, although I know nutildah is almost every time spot on with facts

The tag in question is from "2021-01-18," January 18th, of this year, so almost 5 months old, but I digress.  As an American I tend to want to read the dates on trust pages backwards also.  I always have to look twice.



^This.  

@savetheFORUM, I agree with you to an extent, a red-tag seems harsh from 30,000 foot view.  However, if you read the thread Spider703 seems to exaggerate his capabilities.  At the very least he's not disclosing that he's using tools that are available to anyone who's capable of accessing the internet.  Which includes everyone who finds themselves on this forum.

I'm not defending anyone. You created a thread and didn't even PM the person so how the fuck are you expecting an answer?

I sent a PM to odolvlobo since you're clearly not interested in actually hearing his response.

The same what satoshi replied to you when you asked for his real name . Jokes apart I haven't messaged him because I rather prefer him to answer publicly.


You do, even if you don't admit it. I am not a "liar" unless you have a reason to call me such. I answered you multiple times the other account I had was lower ranked so I prefer using this one now. I don't wear signatures so I am not trying to cheat anyone.

We can discuss any doubts you have via PM. I am open to any discussion but here you are defending someone who has tagged a free service provider working on tips.

What did the active DT user say in response to your PM?


Don't flatter yourself. I'm not a teenage girl, I don't "hate" people on the internet. I know that you know that I know that you're a sockpuppeting liar so perhaps you're projecting a little bit here.

If you do little research you will find that he is not evading red-trust but his earlier account was blocked so he used his temporary account for the service, I believe.




The issue is that someone on the DT is rogue enough to be actively using the forum but unable to correct a mistake for 3 years.

Suchmoon, I know you hate me, I don't care either but you should be able to see what's wrong and what's right, that's the least I expect from you.

Uhm... using another, higher-ranked account that doesn't have red trust.

So what exactly is the issue here? Red trust evasion?

Please do some research, the account in question is running an active service thread. The person who left the feedback is also active

I still don't understand the point of opening these kinds of threads. You're questioning a 3 year-old tag on an inactive account.


Then send them a PM. They don't owe you any response whatsoever, though, so don't wait around for too long.

I think the negative feedback on Mr.Spider703 is a little harsh. I don't know the basis odolvlobo used to tag the user, maybe a word from him would help clear things up.

As far as I know, there are two type of Bitcoin "transaction accelerators". Those that are just used to rebroadcast a transaction IDs to the network such as Bitaccelerate which are not effective and those where miners of a specific mining pool actually help and include a low fee transaction into the next block the pool mines like Viabitc Transaction Accelerator which are actually effective.

Now if Mr.Spider703 is actually helping to accelerate transactions using accelerators like Viabtc tx accelerator, then I don't think it's a fair feedback on his profile.

This thread has certainly helped a lot of users: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/freepay-bitcoin-transaction-accelerator-5034315

But odolvlobo has left negative feedback as I can see for Mr.Spider703 getting tips from users. How idiotic and bizzare is that?



If someone is helping others accelerate their transactions and getting tips from happy users in return, how is that a scam? I would like an explanation from odolvlobo.

Interesting to note that other users have left positive feedback for him helping them. This leads me to believe he is not faking acceleration service.



NOTE: I was not contacted by anyone to speak for Mr.Spider703, but as a user of the forum if I see someone tagging others for no reason, I will speak up.