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Quote from: dogtana on October 28, 2018, 09:59:40 AM

Here is a fact - if one doesn't own or has possesion of a gun, they can't commit a mass shooting. Another fact - the opposite is also true. In a country where millions are able to buy guns as easily as cotton candy there are bound to be nutjobs that will commit these attrocities. And while it is tragic every time, I can't believe that so many people in US are unable to make the connection and demand that something is done about it.

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Every democratic 1st world country figured this shit out a few generations ago but there is WAY to much money spent on brainwashing Americans into believing the left wing radical Mexicans are coming to kill them!

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Here is a fact - if one doesn't own or has possesion of a gun, they can't commit a mass shooting. Another fact - the opposite is also true. In a country where millions are able to buy guns as easily as cotton candy there are bound to be nutjobs that will commit these attrocities. And while it is tragic every time, I can't believe that so many people in US are unable to make the connection and demand that something is done about it.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 28, 2018, 09:00:55 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on October 27, 2018, 05:03:31 PM

Quite a convenient list there

It's a comparison of OECD, 1st world, developed nations. It's a pretty standard list of countries to use when comparing things like health, disease, wages, wealth, unemployment, crime, education, etc. I understand you don't like it because it doesn't fit your narrative, but that doesn't change the facts.

You can use facts to prove anything that is even remotely true, facts schmacks!

Techshare doesn't even understand the words he uses, for example he claimed I should look at per capita homicides by countries. When I informed him that the US has approx 8X the firearms homicide rate he turned around and said it was because there are 10X more people in the US than CAN....

How can you argue with someone like that???

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Quote from: TECSHARE on October 27, 2018, 05:03:31 PM

Quite a convenient list there

It's a comparison of OECD, 1st world, developed nations. It's a pretty standard list of countries to use when comparing things like health, disease, wages, wealth, unemployment, crime, education, etc. I understand you don't like it because it doesn't fit your narrative, but that doesn't change the facts.

Quote from: TECSHARE on October 27, 2018, 05:03:31 PM

try this non selectively edited one:

If you want to use that one, that's fine. It's worth noting, however:

Honduras - massive amounts of gang violence and illegal drug trade, almost complete impunity and lack of justice,
Venezuela - under a brutal dictatorship, with ongoing economic crisis, hyperinflation and famine
El Salzavor - human rights abuse, massive amounts of gang violence, illegal drug trade and human trafficking
etc. etc.

Please realize that comparing the US to these countries and saying "Hey, at least we are not as bad as those guys", when you are over 25 times worse than every other 1st world country on the planet, makes your argument weaker, not stronger.

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Quote from: Moloch on October 27, 2018, 10:16:10 AM

7 Dead, Several Others Shot At Pittsburgh Synagogue
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/10/27/heavy-police-presence-near-synagogue-in-squirrel-hill/

Anyone want to guess at the religion or political affiliation of the shooter?

I'm going to guess he was a Republican and a Christian... seems like an easy bet

I'm sure this is just another democrat plot to slow down Republican enthusiasm at the polls and not a neo-natzi Trumpkrieger! I am going to assume this is a soros funded neo-natzi false flag because I need to make this fit my own conclusions!

Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooter Identified As Christian Nationalist Robert Bowers
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2018/10/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooter-identified-as-christian-nationalist-robert-bower/

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Christian Nationalist Robert Bowers yelled “All Jews must die” before opening fire at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, killing at least eight and injuring many more...

Gee, he was a Christian and a "Nationalist" (republican/alt-right?)

I'm shocked... who could have ever guessed such a thing?

Amazing how well Occam's Razor works

"Occam's razor is the problem-solving principle that the simplest solution tends to be the correct one. When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions."

You're wrong because my opinion > than your facts!

Quote from: Flying BTC on October 28, 2018, 08:48:25 AM

If anyone can get weapon in USA, here we can see the results. In USA something like this happen several times each year. For example, in Australia, which is also quite large country, you do not hear something similar.

The answer to gun violence is clearly MOAR guns. Even better if the average citizen is armed with military weapons designed with the single purpose of killing another human being!!!!

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on October 28, 2018, 08:40:30 AM

Quote from: Moloch on October 28, 2018, 07:32:17 AM

Gee, he was a Christian and a "Nationalist" (republican/alt-right?)

Quote from: Google

nationalist
noun
1. a person who advocates political independence for a country.

Do you have a definition for "nationalist" that differs from mine? Or are you claiming that Democrats don't advocate for our country?

The country has been independent for 200+ years. It's a bit late to advocate for that now although nothing wrong with it I guess.

But other words matter too.

Christian Nationalist
White Nationalist

Are "Christian" and "White" names of countries or perhaps they give a different meaning to the word?

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If anyone can get weapon in USA, here we can see the results. In USA something like this happen several times each year. For example, in Australia, which is also quite large country, you do not hear something similar.

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Quote from: Moloch on October 28, 2018, 07:32:17 AM

Gee, he was a Christian and a "Nationalist" (republican/alt-right?)

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nationalist
noun
1. a person who advocates political independence for a country.

Do you have a definition for "nationalist" that differs from mine? Or are you claiming that Democrats don't advocate for our country?

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Quote from: Flying Hellfish on October 27, 2018, 10:23:43 AM

Quote from: Moloch on October 27, 2018, 10:16:10 AM

7 Dead, Several Others Shot At Pittsburgh Synagogue
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/10/27/heavy-police-presence-near-synagogue-in-squirrel-hill/

Anyone want to guess at the religion or political affiliation of the shooter?

I'm going to guess he was a Republican and a Christian... seems like an easy bet

I'm sure this is just another democrat plot to slow down Republican enthusiasm at the polls and not a neo-natzi Trumpkrieger! I am going to assume this is a soros funded neo-natzi false flag because I need to make this fit my own conclusions!

Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooter Identified As Christian Nationalist Robert Bowers
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2018/10/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooter-identified-as-christian-nationalist-robert-bower/

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Christian Nationalist Robert Bowers yelled “All Jews must die” before opening fire at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, killing at least eight and injuring many more...

Gee, he was a Christian and a "Nationalist" (republican/alt-right?)

I'm shocked... who could have ever guessed such a thing?

Amazing how well Occam's Razor works

"Occam's razor is the problem-solving principle that the simplest solution tends to be the correct one. When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions."

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The political reaction in here and in the media reminds me of this video from 2008.

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This is just so sad, USA needs to review their gun laws.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on October 27, 2018, 10:15:13 PM

So Hispanics and Latinos are nothing but a white ethnic group now? I don't know if they would agree. It seems pretty commonly accepted they are part of "minority groups". Also this "making people look bad" is a pure projection of your own creation. I raised the fact that cultural and racial differences result in more violence, and this is not something more culturally homogeneous nations have to deal with. I raised the point that the USA is more diverse than Canada, then backed it up with statistics.

The way US government defines Hispanic or Latino as "a person of Spanish culture or origin regardless of race". That's not something I invented. You said yourself they're "often classified as white". In the US 11.3% of 17% total are white.

So again - are those "cultural and racial differences" of ~10% Hispanic/Latino (US 11.3% vs Canada's 1.3%) really responsible for the massive difference in firearms homicides?

Quote from: TECSHARE on October 27, 2018, 10:15:13 PM

You have to try to cast this as a racist thing because you have no other good argument, and attacking rather than debating is all you know.

I don't think I said it's a racist thing but if the shoe fits - wear it.

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Quote from: suchmoon on October 27, 2018, 10:09:06 PM

But ok. Take Hispanics out of US firearms homicide counts. Does that make it look like Canada? Not even close.

Which white ethnic group you're gonna try next? Russians? Italians? Those damn Sopranos must be killing lots of people and making the US look bad.

So Hispanics and Latinos are nothing but a white ethnic group now? I don't know if they would agree. It seems pretty commonly accepted they are part of "minority groups". Also this "making people look bad" is a pure projection of your own creation. I raised the fact that cultural and racial differences result in more violence, and this is not something more culturally homogeneous nations have to deal with. I raised the point that the USA is more diverse than Canada, then backed it up with statistics.

You have to try to cast this as a racist thing because you have no other good argument, and attacking rather than debating is all you know.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on October 27, 2018, 09:51:48 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on October 27, 2018, 07:37:35 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on October 27, 2018, 04:30:49 PM

Yeah, the 17% of Hispanic/Latinos. They are often classified as white. Not a lot of Mexicans in Canada last time I checked.

And what difference does that make?

It makes a difference because if you notice Hispanic/Laino is not on that list, meaning they weren't even counted by those numbers... meaning we have at least 17% more minorities.

The 17% is across all races. White Hispanics is 11.3%.

But ok. Take Hispanics out of US firearms homicide counts. Does that make it look like Canada? Not even close.

Which white ethnic group you're gonna try next? Russians? Italians? Those damn Sopranos must be killing lots of people and making the US look bad.

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Quote from: suchmoon on October 27, 2018, 07:37:35 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on October 27, 2018, 04:30:49 PM

Yeah, the 17% of Hispanic/Latinos. They are often classified as white. Not a lot of Mexicans in Canada last time I checked.

And what difference does that make?

It makes a difference because if you notice Hispanic/Laino is not on that list, meaning they weren't even counted by those numbers (or counted as white)... meaning we have at least 17% more minorities.

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Quote from: Spendulus on October 27, 2018, 09:03:22 PM

More guns would definitely fix things.

The US already has far more guns (per capita and in absolute numbers) than any other country. Why hasn't that fixed things?

And who could possibly still want a gun and not have one yet? Why wouldn't they just go to the nearest Walmart and get one?

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 27, 2018, 03:44:14 PM

....I'm sure Trump and the GOP will just want more guns instead. Because more guns has worked so well in the past. Smart.

More guns would definitely fix things.

For example, every "gun free zone" that attracts a maniac looking for a soft target could become a "make my day zone".

What is your problem with that, if any?

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 27, 2018, 03:32:54 PM

Nope he was your basic nut job with the mind to kill.

He was a right wing extremist nut job, denying that seems rather impossible...

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You deleted my post once and i looked and it said it was off topic but i was talking about politics something you know nothing of SO from that day on i never ever look why you delete my post because i will just take no notice Grin

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So just delete because I don't care I will say what i want and no one will stop me NOT EVEN YOU Wink

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You have an agenda your own thoughts and they are bullshit I fire laser beam dreams you fire blanks..

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Quote from: TECSHARE on October 27, 2018, 04:30:49 PM

Yeah, the 17% of Hispanic/Latinos. They are often classified as white. Not a lot of Mexicans in Canada last time I checked.

And what difference does that make?

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